What Monster has a chance against Fatalis?

[Walrus-Sama]

Now I know Fatalis is the strongest monster and all other monsters fear it, but with that being said, if they had to what monster could fight Fatalis canonically and have a decent chance of winning (if any)? (Excluding Fatalis itself and other Fatalis variants)

[StarExile]

Just give me controls of Safi I will tear apart that black lizard!!11 Who he thinks he is, End of a World ?! Hah!!!11

[Tavurth]

Maybe a Great Jaggi with 10min of prep time (summoning a flock you know).

[Dax23333]

Seconding that Ceadeus would win on its home turf. I doubt Fatalis would be able to last long miles underwater, and those flames are going to be completly useless when quenched by an ocean of water. He can't even evaporate the puddles at Schrade.

Teo and Luna I would give half a chance together. They're fire dragons and take showers in lava and have intelligence and teamwork on thier side. Intelligence means they'd avoid fighting this angry black dragon of course.

Akantor is another one that has proved itself capable of shrugging off heat based attacks. Swims in lava, takes gravios fire beams. Physical strength is immense and isn't slow either. But it can't fly, which is a problem.

[Juliane_L]

time to copy paste my old black dragon tier list from a few months ago...

he's outclassed by quite a few monsters.

my personal black dragon power list: (this is purely an interpretation)
1: Frontier's G white fatalis.
2: shiften disufiora (know as the strongest monster, but that was before G white fati.)
3: Frontier's G crimson fatalis.
4: basic white fatalis
5: frontier's G black flame fatalis
6: 4U's G crimson fatalis
7: elemental meristophelin ( apparently this guy isn't canon but i don't really care.)
8: basic crimson fatalis
9: basic fatalis
10: dire miralis
11: alatreon
12: base meristophelin. (same as elemental one.
13: base disufiora.

i THINK i didn't forget any.

other monsters worth noting:
-shantien: know as "disuphiora's mortal ennemy". even tough he lost against disu, he still survived and is sometimes considered a world ending threat. even if he isn't a black dragon, he is definitely on the same level of power than at least alatreon.
-dalamadur: already one of the strongest non black dragon monsters, and that was a baby/juvenile: the one in the rotten vale is much bigger than the 4U one. if it was still alive, i have no doubt he could hold himself against an elder dragon.
-alatreon subspecie: in the lore, there is an altreon subspecie described as a "shining blue dragon". it has blue flames that makes his scales sparkle. and that's everything we know about him so i couldn't include him.
-safi'jiva: near black dragon power.

-bulfangos, rhenoplos, great jaggi, konchus: not black dragons so not in the list, but they are MUCH stronger than any black dragon.

[Kiekmgoan46]

Crystal Kulu would prism him the second he lays eyes on his magic toy.

[ressenmacher]

lexilogo の投稿を引用：

The Seeker's post-Fatalis dialogue heavily implies Fatalis is NOT the "monster to end humanity" and there's something stronger out there, so there's probably a 4th Black Dragon Capcom have planned (probably for 6th gen) that will be more powerful than Fatalis.

Alatreon is somewhat comparable as its also a Black Dragon, but as we have lore confirmation that multiple Alatreon were running the f**k away from Fatalis when it re-emerged in World I think it's safe to say Fatalis would beat Alatreon, and I'd argue Dire stands even less of a chance. Both Alatreon and Dire are arguably more adept at causing mass scale destruction but Fatalis in a 1-on-1 battle seems nearly unbeatable.

I also think Dalamadur is often overhyped in fights like these- Dala's kinda slow and a snakelike body frankly renders it prone to being melted in half by Fatalis' firebreath.


For the monsters I would seriously submit as contenders:

Safi'Jiiva is IMO a closer call than most people think. There's a very good reason many people (me included) thought it could be Black Dragon material as it has seemingly near limitless potential for growth and most importantly has an ultra powerful healing factor. As long as there is "energy" or in other terms nutrients etc in the soil around Safi, it's essentially immortal. (and Safi being capable of evolving into a black dragon-tier creature with enough energy absorbed and time still isn't entirely out of the question, either!) However, I think Fatalis' raw physical power would win the day in the end- UNLESS Safi were to adopt proper strategy and moved around more.

Zorah Magdaros also has a chance IMO. We should remember the Zorah we fought was an elder, so the average specimen would probably be a little smaller, but faster and more powerful in general. Keeping that in mind, Zorah Magdaros could kill Fatalis IF it got pinned down. These are still 1:9 odds in Fatalis' favor at its most generous IMO, but realistically speaking even Fatalis couldn't break free of a Zorah that's grabbed it or stomped on it, and Zorah's wyvern fire is probably among the hottest fire breath attacks lorewise in the series. It's also worth noting that even with Fatalis' INSANE firebreath we see in its 5th gen fight, I don't think it would mess up a Zorah Magdaros all that badly, and its basic firebreath/balls shouldn't be too much of a problem. This fight would come down to Zorah simply enduring attacks for hours until Fatalis made some kind of mistake.

I also think Ceadeus, at least on its home turf, might also stand a chance. That might sound crazy, but Ceadeus is Nakarkos' natural predator (putting it much higher than most Elder Dragons) and is capable of shooting extremely high-pressure water jets that, and this is a big might, MIGHT be capable of doing some serious damage to Fatalis and with his thin neck may even land a partial/full decapitation. Of course, this fight would never happen as their natural habitats are so vastly different, and even if Fatalis encountered a Ceadeus coming up for air or something and decided to try and kill it, it could easily just evaporate the ocean around it with its fire. In a hypothetical situation where Fatalis just happens to be in extremely deep water though, I think Ceadeus has okay-ish odds of finishing Fatalis off.


So if you held a gun to my head and said you'd shoot me unless I could bet on a monster to beat Fatalis, I would say Ceadeus in its natural habitat has the best overall chance, excluding Frontier monsters and other versions of Fatalis.

I dunno. Dala is big. Really big. Fatalis's standard fireballs and breaths are probably too small to deal any significant damage. He'd have to come down low and hang in place while using his nova, and I kinda feel that Dala is fast enough to reach up and grab him while doing so (do note that it strikes pretty quickly, at least in the cutscene).

Magdaros loses. He can't fly, and his reach is bad. Fatalis would just hang in the air over him and slowly melt him down.

Is there any really big swimming stuff other than Ceadus? I kinda wonder if a large enough creature could get him in the water and then hold him under until he drowned, especially because his fire isn't going to be effective (I think he might even need to take a breath to use it).

[IAmLoco]

The issue with Fatalis has always been the discrepancy between lore and actual gameplay.

In the lore, Fatalis is considered some sort of god capable of destroying entire kingdoms in one fell swoop. It's also known for its intelligence and its absolute hatred of humanity. There's some lore where Fatalis allegedly melts hunters it kills onto its chest as armor and also as a way of mocking them. We got a sort of soft-confirmation of this lore with Fatalis' pin attack in Iceborne.
Most of the Fatalis lore has to do with the Ancient Civilization, which you can read here:

https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Ancient_Civilization

Personally I think it's a little bit out of place but eh.

Gameplay wise, most of the Fatalis hunts really fail to live up to what the lore describes. In the older games, Fatalis hits hard but is incredibly slow, and its attacks are very heavily telegraphs, and the combos are not that tight either. So if you consider the actual gameplay and completely disregard the lore, there are a lot of monsters that could stand a chance against Fatalis.

That said, I personally think that Iceborne's Fatalis does live up to its reputation a little bit. If we assume that the nature of its flames are not that of normal flames and is far more damaging, then it would probably be closer to the strength depicted by its lore.

[Nerevar]

its funny how so many posters here didnt bother to READ the tcs post at all. he said right there : EXCLUDEING FATALIS ITSELF AND OTHER FATALIS VARIANTS. seriously guys.

[Crusader]

It’s heavily implied that the weakened alatreon you fight has encountered the fatalis you fight in the new update and was heavily wounded by the encounter.

So really nothing has a chance against fatalis. Used to think that alatreon, safi and dire miralis would be up to the task but capcom basically deconfirmed it lol.


Maybe the equal dragon weapon (though technically not a monster nor canon, if we assume it’s canon). It was the original reason why fatalis ended the great dragon war, because he didn’t think it should exist and he wiped out schrade before they could use it. Clearly it was strong enough to stand up to him. Though even if fatalis dies, unless if you incenirate every scale, he’ll just grow back from any one of his scales.

[L]

If Fatalis gameplay wise matched his lore, than it would be GGs every single time. It would be equivalent to if we played Street Fighter and faced Akuma, or Oro, and having Capcom making these characters "truly" match their canon story.

Akuma is sinking islands with his fist, training in the ocean depths while Oro defeated Ryu in SFIII with literally one arm tied behind his back. Remember, lore-wise, Ryu by SFIII is as powerful as his "Evil" Ryu counterpart.

Gameplay shouldn't be factored into this if we are strictly speaking lore-wise since game mechanics have to be created with at least a sense of balance in mind, or fairness to the player to some degree.

Whether people "agree" or not about Fatalis, the fact remains that it's species is stated to be at the Top of the Food Chain (The MH Devs have made this clear), and the most powerful.

Dalamadur being so big shouldn't just automatically set it to being as power or on par to Fatalis. Yes, their are lores that push Dalamadur to powerful heights, however Fatalis lore literally makes all other dragons crap in their diapers as well as even the humans themselves.

This is the same exact mistake that was done with Alatreon, a Black Dragon that was reputed to being at least on par to Fatalis (remember, this was gauging him by his lore and what he was capable of doing. So many assumed he was at least on par to normal Fatalis) and yet was defeated soundly by Fatalis with it's tail tucked between it's legs.

Alatreon is one of the most spectacular and powerful Black Dragons within the MH Universe and it was sent running and licking it's wounds from its encounter with Fatalis.

Until proven otherwise, I would personally put the Fatalis species on a level above all other dragons, and of course with White Fatalis at the absolute top of the pyramid.

[Numeriku]

"What Monster has a chance against Fatalis?"

You, the Hunter, as you're the monster in Fatalis' eyes.

[imp]

lol what a dumbass little hunter and their cat can kill a fatalis. i bet a jaggi could do it with enough practice

[Shinshe]

White fatalis easy kill :D

[GladiatorDragon]

Main Series contenders:
Only things that can truly match Fatalis are the Black Dragons.
Crimson and White Fatalis can defeat normal Fatalis simply because they're just stronger versions of Fatalis.
Alatreon may be able to win, but it will be close, and a bit of a coin toss.
Dire Miralis could probably defeat Fatalis. The main weapon of Fatalis is its fire. Dire Miralis is a literal walking volcano. Fatalis has a two star weakness to fire, so simply due to elemental matchup, I'd bet Dire Miralis would win, though it's a bit more up in the air for the White and Crimson Fatalis.

However, if we get into side games, Frontier is where things go a little crazy. I don't know much, but I do know that MH Frontier G has some insane contenders for "most powerful monster."

[Faust Wither]

bunch of ruiner nergigante.