Reminder: Please don't just Corner Horn

[JebKerman]

Kinda just writing to vent but... please just hit the monster. Your buffs are good, but buffs and damage are orders of magnitude better.

For the story:
An MR 250+ Hunting Horn joined the SOS I had also answered, A surprising, if bold, but welcome addition. They came with a full support build (Wide Range 5, Speed Eating 3, Free Meal 3 etc.) and what seemed to be the whole gambit of consumables. Again, no complaints, always nice to have someone to keep everyone buffed and healthy.

But when it came to the actual combat they were practically nowhere to be seen, outside of the times Fatalis got knocked down, even then they occasionally didn't show up to beat on the head. And the few times I could let my focus drift from Fatalis and his attacks they didn't seem to be near or using any of the siege equipment either. Their presence was almost entirely felt by the fact no one's heath was allowed to be below 100%. I pointed out my suspicions and asked them to please do some damage while we were hiding from Fatalis's first breath.

Going off the rate we were advancing stages we looked to actually be about on schedule despite that (hit stage 3 at about 15 mins), but the hunt wound up timing out, which is admittedly rare for a random hunt, Running out of carts is a lot more comon. Turns out they'd hit the monster maybe 10 times over the course of the whole 30 mins meaning us 3 others had to put in essentially 4 people's worth of damage (and we very nearly did).

[Velkhana's Summer]

If i have a horn user in my group i hit 70k avg with their songs alone. Never hate on the dooters my dude, totally not cool.

[JebKerman]

Originally posted by Velkhana's Summer:

If i have a horn user in my group i hit 70k avg with their songs alone. Never hate on the dooters my dude, totally not cool.

I don't hate dooters if they mostly doot on the monster, heck I doot monsters myself on occasion.

But dooting the air half the zone away from the monster is a waste of the weapon's potential. Even most dooters think that.

[Velkhana's Summer]

Originally posted by JebKerman:

Originally posted by Velkhana's Summer:

If i have a horn user in my group i hit 70k avg with their songs alone. Never hate on the dooters my dude, totally not cool.

I don't hate dooters if they doot on the monster, heck I doot monsters myself on occasion.

But dooting the air half the zone away from the monster is a waste of the weapon's potential. Even most dooters think that.

The point is they probably tried the dps role against him and failed. They are trying to support the squad and make sure he or they don't cart. The longer I get to keep my weapon drawn and not focus on healing from mistakes increases the damage I deal exponentially. They may even enjoy the horn and eventually play it more to doot the monster while playing songs, so go about a better way of venting your frustration and if you know how to do it offer advice.

[JebKerman]

Originally posted by Velkhana's Summer:

... if you know how to do it off advice.

Can't speak for Fatalis specifically, but more generally:

Hit the monster, not the air, the swings generate a note and do damage. Maybe back away to actually play the melody off since the commitment to it, and potentially the encore, is huge, but commitment to the individual swings are not. Using them as part of a more hit-and-run strategy is not difficult.

Plus, keeping distance is generally quite dangerous against Fatalis, it's often safer to be at medium to short range so you can more easily evade his conal breath and sweeps and may be able to capitalise on them instead.

The keyword in the title is 'just'. I even mentioned that their presence isn't unwelcome if they are able to realise that Fatalis in particular is a long-term damage check of sorts, dealing damage is not optional and is in fact required to succeed.

[RustyRed]

Being a good support is very hard. Having to maintain your team's hp and buffs, all while dishing out damage requires a lot of time and practice.

To make matters worse, most people don't give a rats ass if the support got stun locked and about to get carted - no powders to heal the support, not knocking them out of stuns, not using pods to distract monsters, nothing.

Also, Fatalis' HP doesn't scale after 3 players. It means that the 3 of you without the support would have failed even if the support didn't turn up. You might have passed if you had an exceptionally good support, but we all know those supports are rare. Even if someone else joined that wasn't a support, you still would have failed due to running out of carts.

Stop looking for a scapegoat.

I cleared a Fatalis event 2 nights ago with a corner healer in 18 minutes and 0 carts.

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[mewlynx]

Just in general don't be hanging out in a corner splitting aggro. Nobody can get good damage in when the monster is leaping around the arena every 5 seconds. This is the reason I hate bringing my cat and despise when I see others using Shieldspire, it just creates way too much chaos.

[Malfeasance]

Originally posted by Velkhana's Summer:

Never hate on the dooters my dude, totally not cool.

Originally posted by xuthan:

Stop looking for a scapegoat.

Maybe I'm just wrong, but I really don't expect this to be the majority opinion.

Originally posted by xuthan:

I cleared a Fatalis event 2 nights ago with a corner healer in 18 minutes and 0 carts.

Just because it worked in that instance doesn't mean it's a good idea.

[Rathex 🐆]

i am horn support user, i put on heavy artillery and full wide range etc. When i am not healing i am on ballistae or prepping cannons, however i still neverg et close to fatalis cuz other ppl dont help me when i am stunned. A lot of times if i die others die, its easier to sit on corner do artillery and heal than do all that and die to deal extra 500 dmg. Oh and i do try to attack him when i can but only when i know i can dodge him

[Walrus-Sama]

I don't approve of corner horning really but is is wise to be cautious around Fatalis. It's really dangerous to play songs near Fatalis. If he's not locked in long-ish animation any attempt to play a song could result in instant death.

I did fight him in a group with my HH/Healer build and did okay, but something I noticed is that there was long periods of time were I wasn't able to attack at all because I was having to heal teammates.

Also worth noting you can kill him with 3 people if you all doing your fair share of damage. If you failed to do that with +20% damage and a healer supporting you, yea that kind of means some of the blame is on you.

[Greb]

The last time I saw a Hunting Horn user was when I was like MR 150 or something, farming "We Run This Town" and two responded to my SoS flare, lol.

Corner horning sucks if they do it exclusively, but I don't have a problem with it if they're doing it just the once to drop a whole stack of songs and encoring them without interruptions, I guess. They're so uncommon though I bet even if they corner horn for the entire fight you wouldn't even have time to build up any lingering resentment before they vanish without a trace again, though.

Corner horning against Fatalis sounds annoying though, if you split the team apart that means he's going to be tempted to spam his fireballs or even worse his cone of deathbreath, and it would be incredibly annoying if there was some horn user prancing around on the upper areas popping off songs, making Fatalis rush over there, then turn around and blast the separated team with death.

[kampfer91]

A famous hunter once said : '' a corner dooter is a tragedy but 4 corner dooters are a comedy . "

[JebKerman]

Originally posted by xuthan:

Stop looking for a scapegoat.

I don't need to look, I have mine for that encounter. I dealt 70k HP with a damn Lance, they dealt 3.5k. The Fatalis had 1% of it's HP remaining, they were effectively only healing themselves and one other person, myself and the other were sustaining ourselves with health augment. I healed them on several occasions, covered their arse by blocking the conal flamethrower on too many occasions. If they'd just landed some of their strikes on Fatalis rather than aiding in the further destruction of Schrade, or made use of the siege equipment, the fight would've been a success, or bare minimum been over a lot sooner.

Originally posted by Rathex:

i am horn support user, i put on heavy artillery and full wide range etc. When i am not healing i am on ballistae or prepping cannons, however i still neverg et close to fatalis cuz other ppl dont help me when i am stunned. A lot of times if i die others die, its easier to sit on corner do artillery and heal than do all that and die to deal extra 500 dmg. Oh and i do try to attack him when i can but only when i know i can dodge him

That's fine, great even. I was thinking of giving a supportive/artillery HH a crack if nothing else to put my theories and close-range experience into practice. And maybe help familiarise myself with the siege equipment.

[ᔑᓭ∴ᔑリ⊣]

this is the first time i have EVER seen people defending corner-horners before. what the hell changed?? lmao

[astranabeat]

I don't care if they corner dooter when they play song and encore. Just please hit monster when you prep your notes.

[Yew Nough]

Once had a dude run a cheerleader SnS build, who did not attack, even during stagger. The battle took us a few more minutes, but we won all the same. Not a big issue if your other 3 players are solid.