Elemental Builds with LS, IG, and SNS?

[Ravi ♪]

Generally DB, Bows, CB, SA, and LBG have viable elemental builds, right? GS and Hammers are too slow to make an elemental build for. How about LS, IG, and SNS? They're in the middle when it comes to fast hitting and slow hitting weapons.

I was told LS has terrible elemental multipliers and that it mostly favors RAW due to most of its movesets are RAW focused, example includes helmbreaker. Yet some people build some kjarr elemental LS.

SNS favors RAW due to perfect rush move being a RAW focused. I read that you can use them but focus more on RAW and that the element is just extra.

For IG, I was told even with a bunch of elemental up skills/augments/upgrades its too little to even make a big difference with using RAW IG and that it will be a lost of damage overall.

I was planning on making an optimal elemental build for SNS and IG (maybe LS) after finishing up my viable elemental builds. But despite what people say about this topic...

Is it WORTH IT to fully farm out and build an entire elemental set for SNS, IG, and LS??? Even if you take these elemental weapons against a favorable elemental match up would the damage be FAR LESS, COMPARABLE, or GREATER than damage from a Safi Shatter or Lightbreak SNS, IG and LS??? (No fatalis comparison needed I'm aware of how broken the weapons are)

[Zelph]

SNS in the middle? What? Its the second fastest weapon behind dual blades. Also, while its definitely not optimal, you can do elemental with greatsword or hammer.

Is it worth it? Entirely subjective. That is entirely for you to decide. Do you want optimal? Then not at all. Do you care about optimal, no? Then go for it.

[Curzyfish]

Originally posted by Zelph:

SNS in the middle? What? Its the second fastest weapon behind dual blades. Also, while its definitely not optimal, you can do elemental with greatsword or hammer.

Is it worth it? Entirely subjective. That is entirely for you to decide. Do you want optimal? Then not at all. Do you care about optimal, no? Then go for it.

In the middle because of perfect rush. Even if you run full elemental what combo are you going to do when a monster is tripped or paralyzed? Perfect rush. Which is like the worst or tied for worst combo along with falling bash to do for elemental damage.

For IG your goal is essentially do as many tornado slashes as possible. Similar to perfect rush, the move is slower and only hits twice compared to the 3 or 4 hits that other moves do (or at least if they are only 2 hits the attack is faster). So when a monster is down what do you do? As many as possible of your worst move for elemental damage. So same boat as SnS really.

You can do it of course. It's just not the best way to deal as much damage as you can. Given the play style is really no different I don't personally see a reason to do it.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by Curzyfish:

Originally posted by Zelph:

SNS in the middle? What? Its the second fastest weapon behind dual blades. Also, while its definitely not optimal, you can do elemental with greatsword or hammer.

Is it worth it? Entirely subjective. That is entirely for you to decide. Do you want optimal? Then not at all. Do you care about optimal, no? Then go for it.

In the middle because of perfect rush. Even if you run full elemental what combo are you going to do when a monster is tripped or paralyzed? Perfect rush. Which is like the worst or tied for worst combo along with falling bash to do for elemental damage.

For IG your goal is essentially do as many tornado slashes as possible. Similar to perfect rush, the move is slower and only hits twice compared to the 3 or 4 hits that other moves do (or at least if they are only 2 hits the attack is faster). So when a monster is down what do you do? As many as possible of your worst move for elemental damage. So same boat as SnS really.

You can do it of course. It's just not the best way to deal as much damage as you can. Given the play style is really no different I don't personally see a reason to do it.

doesnt mean dont do it, damage is damage and PR puts out a good deal of it. it means instead of your DPS looking like this: /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ its more like this: -----/\-----/\----/\----/\---- where you keep a nice even constant on your target if you can hit the elemental weak spots and then PR on the really soft spots during a flinch or para.

for elemental damag there are definently weapons more suited to the focus but it honestly depends on what your fighting if its even worth focusing on. some have wild changes to their level of elemental weakness making it not a viable choice (nothing like seeing CB phials go from 200 to 90 per phial...) so really your best bet is learn the monsters a bit, which ones are worth going elemental on, and build sets for em. i have like, 3 ice CB sets, one is built for kulve, one is built for alatreon, and one is my all purpose set for anything else.

[Twice]

For IG, Elemental Kinsects are definitely worth it. It pretty much doubles their damage if you can hit an elemental weakspot, and more if it's tenderized. With a slow kinsect combined with a downward thrust, I've been able to hit for around~ 80x6 (480) damage as the kinsect passed through the target. Add that number to the burst you already get from Downward Thurst, and it's a pretty decent number, around 1000+, for a catch-up move that's not bad at all. Really only works on chonky targets though like Bagelgoose.

[Inanegrain62]

Originally posted by Zelph:

Is it worth it? Entirely subjective.

Is it a raw focused weapon? Use raw, cheaper to build with instead of having a set for each encounter.

Originally posted by Chuuni Panda:

I was told LS has terrible elemental multipliers and that it mostly favors RAW due to most of its movesets are RAW focused, example includes helmbreaker. Yet some people build some kjarr elemental LS.


For IG, I was told even with a bunch of elemental up skills/augments/upgrades its too little to even make a big difference with using RAW IG and that it will be a lost of damage overall.

Is it WORTH IT to fully farm out and build an entire elemental set for SNS, IG, and LS??? Even if you take these elemental weapons against a favorable elemental match up would the damage be FAR LESS, COMPARABLE, or GREATER than damage from a Safi Shatter or Lightbreak SNS, IG and LS??? (No fatalis comparison needed I'm aware of how broken the weapons are)

Thanks to the existence of Lightbreak and how easy it is to farm it unlike KT, Lightbreak.

Do you want RNG? Go ahead and gamble for each Crit element SnS.

Both LS and IG would prefer raw over elemental

IG's kinsect does more elemental damage than the stick, to the point it's obsolete to count on the stick for elemental damage. Using it to cancel the end lag of tornado slash is sufficient, using DT properly ultilizes the kinsect more.

[mewlynx]

People pretty much only care about elemental damage on these weapons so that they don't get melted by Alatreon. Just get a Kjarr weapon and slap it onto your meta raw build, done.

[Ravi ♪]

Originally posted by Inanegrain62:

Originally posted by Zelph:

Is it worth it? Entirely subjective.

Is it a raw focused weapon? Use raw, cheaper to build with instead of having a set for each encounter.

Originally posted by Chuuni Panda:

I was told LS has terrible elemental multipliers and that it mostly favors RAW due to most of its movesets are RAW focused, example includes helmbreaker. Yet some people build some kjarr elemental LS.


For IG, I was told even with a bunch of elemental up skills/augments/upgrades its too little to even make a big difference with using RAW IG and that it will be a lost of damage overall.

Is it WORTH IT to fully farm out and build an entire elemental set for SNS, IG, and LS??? Even if you take these elemental weapons against a favorable elemental match up would the damage be FAR LESS, COMPARABLE, or GREATER than damage from a Safi Shatter or Lightbreak SNS, IG and LS??? (No fatalis comparison needed I'm aware of how broken the weapons are)

Thanks to the existence of Lightbreak and how easy it is to farm it unlike KT, Lightbreak.

Do you want RNG? Go ahead and gamble for each Crit element SnS.

Both LS and IG would prefer raw over elemental

IG's kinsect does more elemental damage than the stick, to the point it's obsolete to count on the stick for elemental damage. Using it to cancel the end lag of tornado slash is sufficient, using DT properly ultilizes the kinsect more.

Wait what?!? I really don't play IG that much to know all the details about it but the insect does more elemental damage than the actually weapon itself?

[Inanegrain62]

Originally posted by Chuuni Panda:

Wait what?!? I really don't play IG that much to know all the details about it but the insect does more elemental damage than the actually weapon itself?

Yes, from a really ♥♥♥♥ test that revealed some more truths, yes.
By using verizstag, the slow, high power kinsect with matching element against alatreon, it'll topple Ala within 2-3 minutes. Roughly 1-2 minute of active combat if it's landing DT from head to front legs with the kinsect piercing through all of that, likelyhood of this being done consistently? Pretty low for it to topple within 1-2 minute, but enough to topple ala.

Using mostly stick with kinsect on extract/tornado slash cancelling ended up in failing to topple.

Forget about aerial, doesn't even reach there unless you use drachen in MR and an actual ele stick. I'm not gonna grind for such a niche that not only uncontrollable once I'm attacking, it does ♥♥♥♥ damage compared to holding V+M1(kinsect that's been fed with monster ammo) on a monster, because I can actually make it hit a weakspot.

[Asedora]

As far as I can say for LS it's not that bad,but you ill have to sacrifice a lot of time for farming,as well as slots.Silver Rath's sets are extemely hard to pull off,Safi+kjarr are good because of how much easier you can fit QOL decos(evade extender,medicine etc).
Overall level-they're more or less comparable(~10%),as long as you wish to farm for them.

[Zelph]

Originally posted by Inanegrain62:

Originally posted by Zelph:

Is it worth it? Entirely subjective.

Is it a raw focused weapon? Use raw, cheaper to build with instead of having a set for each encounter.

Originally posted by Chuuni Panda:

I was told LS has terrible elemental multipliers and that it mostly favors RAW due to most of its movesets are RAW focused, example includes helmbreaker. Yet some people build some kjarr elemental LS.


For IG, I was told even with a bunch of elemental up skills/augments/upgrades its too little to even make a big difference with using RAW IG and that it will be a lost of damage overall.

Is it WORTH IT to fully farm out and build an entire elemental set for SNS, IG, and LS??? Even if you take these elemental weapons against a favorable elemental match up would the damage be FAR LESS, COMPARABLE, or GREATER than damage from a Safi Shatter or Lightbreak SNS, IG and LS??? (No fatalis comparison needed I'm aware of how broken the weapons are)

Thanks to the existence of Lightbreak and how easy it is to farm it unlike KT, Lightbreak.

Do you want RNG? Go ahead and gamble for each Crit element SnS.

Both LS and IG would prefer raw over elemental

IG's kinsect does more elemental damage than the stick, to the point it's obsolete to count on the stick for elemental damage. Using it to cancel the end lag of tornado slash is sufficient, using DT properly ultilizes the kinsect more.

Nah, some of us prefer flavor over using the same exact set 1k+ times.

[Ravi ♪]

Originally posted by lil XXXRDMKING uchiha:

As far as I can say for LS it's not that bad,but you ill have to sacrifice a lot of time for farming,as well as slots.Silver Rath's sets are extemely hard to pull off,Safi+kjarr are good because of how much easier you can fit QOL decos(evade extender,medicine etc).
Overall level-they're more or less comparable(~10%),as long as you wish to farm for them.

Doesn't LS sheathing moves reset Safi Armor's Bonus Skill? So you just end up reseting the amount of hits needed to heal while you slowly chip away at your health ultimately killing yourself?

[mewlynx]

Originally posted by Chuuni Panda:

Originally posted by lil XXXRDMKING uchiha:

As far as I can say for LS it's not that bad,but you ill have to sacrifice a lot of time for farming,as well as slots.Silver Rath's sets are extemely hard to pull off,Safi+kjarr are good because of how much easier you can fit QOL decos(evade extender,medicine etc).
Overall level-they're more or less comparable(~10%),as long as you wish to farm for them.

Doesn't LS sheathing moves reset Safi Armor's Bonus Skill? So you just end up reseting the amount of hits needed to heal while you slowly chip away at your health ultimately killing yourself?

Yep. You have to sheathe after a spirit round slash anyways, so it's not like it ultimately changes much.

[Inanegrain62]

Originally posted by Zelph:

Nah, some of us prefer flavor over using the same exact set 1k+ times.

Yes, let's make a player grind against RNG for them to achieve their elemental set. They're definitely not going to be ♥♥♥♥♥♥ repeatedly by RNG instead of minimizing being ♥♥♥♥♥♥ to just decos and mantle drops.

CB, LBG, HBG, HH, DB, SA, BOW. These weapons benefit from specific elemental matchups more, with some of these having the option to be a comfy raw, including DB.

While still excepting DB, because DB with matching element will always beat raw by a lot at the cost of comfy. Unless it's something with not so good elemental hsv. HH too, but most of the time they're HH speedrunners, I really don't think someone would want to put extra pressure using Safi + HH in randoms, DB and others? Yeah, I get it, HH? I don't remember seeing any of them in random, only actual group sessions that aren't random.