(Iceborne) best bow for each element?

[Luka]

and best overall armor for bows.

[dyne2alex]

if you want ez setup, safi 5 piece kjarr bows and elemental attack charms

[Skeleton]

Namielle γ armour + Kjárr bow has nearly every skill you need for elemental bow:
True Element Acceleration, Critical Element, Constitution, Stamina Surge, Evade Window and [optionally] Evade Distance.

Silver Rathalos would probably be pretty good as well, for True Critical Element. You wouldn't need a Kjárr bow either, but you would require more decorations and charms to get your stamina skills.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by Skeleton:

Namielle γ armour + Kjárr bow has nearly every skill you need for elemental bow:
True Element Acceleration, Critical Element, Constitution, Stamina Surge, Evade Window and [optionally] Evade Distance.

Silver Rathalos would probably be pretty good as well, for True Critical Element. You wouldn't need a Kjárr bow either, but you would require more decorations and charms to get your stamina skills.

yeah true crit ele on ranged weapons is awesome, its a lot easier to pull off with safi bows though. hmm... Safi ele bow with true crit ele... mixed with alatreon 3 piece... guess i'll be spending some time in honey hunter armor builder again today and experimenting with this.

Kjarr is the fast and easy way to get crit ele in some form and leaves your set to be open to anything. i myself would probably do that + 3 alatreon and 2 Nam y for all the consitution and evasion bonuses.

[Aelin Galathynius]

Everything you need to know about bow sets is here
https://mhwbowbuilds.wordpress.com/14-00/

[Mander]

Safi for Thunder. Alatreon for Dragon. Raging Brachydios for Blast.
Kjarr elemental bow for everything else.

Armor is as follow:
- For every Kjarr elemental bow - Full Safi set.(Alfa chest and 4 beta pieces)
- For Alatreon Dragon - 4 Silver Rathalos pieces (beta)+ Escadora Sheat Alfa
- For Safi Thunder - 4 Silver Rathalos pieces (beta) + 1 Kirin armguard Beta
- For Blast - Ragin Brachy helm and Faulds + 3 Safi pieces (alfa chest)

Keep in mind, bow in MR is quite jewels dependent: on the other hand, once filled correctly, these setups hit monsters like a ton of bricks

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by Mander:

Safi for Thunder. Alatreon for Dragon. Raging Brachydios for Blast.
Kjarr elemental bow for everything else.

Armor is as follow:
- For every Kjarr elemental bow - Full Safi set.(Alfa chest and 4 beta pieces)
- For Alatreon Dragon - 4 Silver Rathalos pieces (beta)+ Escadora Sheat Alfa
- For Safi Thunder - 4 Silver Rathalos pieces (beta) + 1 Kirin armguard Beta
- For Blast - Ragin Brachy helm and Faulds + 3 Safi pieces (alfa chest)

Keep in mind, bow in MR is quite jewels dependent: on the other hand, once filled correctly, these setups hit monsters like a ton of bricks

for the Safi thunder... i question that, wouldnt it be better to roll silver rath essence, and go 3 piece silver rath 2 piece alatreon for the boosts to elemental damage? or is the loss of an elemental V on the safi bow stats too great to justify that?

[♋Phenex]

Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

Originally posted by Mander:

Safi for Thunder. Alatreon for Dragon. Raging Brachydios for Blast.
Kjarr elemental bow for everything else.

Armor is as follow:
- For every Kjarr elemental bow - Full Safi set.(Alfa chest and 4 beta pieces)
- For Alatreon Dragon - 4 Silver Rathalos pieces (beta)+ Escadora Sheat Alfa
- For Safi Thunder - 4 Silver Rathalos pieces (beta) + 1 Kirin armguard Beta
- For Blast - Ragin Brachy helm and Faulds + 3 Safi pieces (alfa chest)

Keep in mind, bow in MR is quite jewels dependent: on the other hand, once filled correctly, these setups hit monsters like a ton of bricks

for the Safi thunder... i question that, wouldnt it be better to roll silver rath essence, and go 3 piece silver rath 2 piece alatreon for the boosts to elemental damage? or is the loss of an elemental V on the safi bow stats too great to justify that?

The bow builds wordpress explains it as:
"Safi Bolt is more skewed towards raw favoured matchups such as Tigrex and Legiana (pretty much everything thunder weak is raw skewed).

And Taroth Arrow Thunder is dominant in the thunder favoured matchups such as Nagracuga.

Kjarr Spark with its terrible stats is worse overall, but it earns a unique place in the meta game for it’s para coatings.
However, the Safi Velk + Safi Thunder Bow set up with para coating will still be best if you manage to maintain high coalesence uptime." Also elemental V is way larger than whatever you can get from armor skills.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by ♋Phenex:

Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

for the Safi thunder... i question that, wouldnt it be better to roll silver rath essence, and go 3 piece silver rath 2 piece alatreon for the boosts to elemental damage? or is the loss of an elemental V on the safi bow stats too great to justify that?

The bow builds wordpress explains it as:
"Safi Bolt is more skewed towards raw favoured matchups such as Tigrex and Legiana (pretty much everything thunder weak is raw skewed).

And Taroth Arrow Thunder is dominant in the thunder favoured matchups such as Nagracuga.

Kjarr Spark with its terrible stats is worse overall, but it earns a unique place in the meta game for it’s para coatings.
However, the Safi Velk + Safi Thunder Bow set up with para coating will still be best if you manage to maintain high coalesence uptime." Also elemental V is way larger than whatever you can get from armor skills.

gotcha, dont play bow much but i do understand its quirks and thought process behind its meta. but i myself, dont really use safi weapons for the weapon types i main so as far as what the bonuses provide i got now real clue if they are worth it.

but my thinking here was simply Ranged gets a better bonus from crit ele and true crit element, so the end question would be, would true crit ele be worth it over having normal crit ele but an extra elemental V?

though when AT velk drops, i think that will have a much more obvious answer.

[♋Phenex]

Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

gotcha, dont play bow much but i do understand its quirks and thought process behind its meta. but i myself, dont really use safi weapons for the weapon types i main so as far as what the bonuses provide i got now real clue if they are worth it.

but my thinking here was simply Ranged gets a better bonus from crit ele and true crit element, so the end question would be, would true crit ele be worth it over having normal crit ele but an extra elemental V?

though when AT velk drops, i think that will have a much more obvious answer.

Well with safi bow, you would use silverlos to get TCE and have all elemental awakenings so you wouldn't have normal crit ele.

[Mander]

Originally posted by ♋Phenex:

Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

for the Safi thunder... i question that, wouldnt it be better to roll silver rath essence, and go 3 piece silver rath 2 piece alatreon for the boosts to elemental damage? or is the loss of an elemental V on the safi bow stats too great to justify that?

The bow builds wordpress explains it as:
"Safi Bolt is more skewed towards raw favoured matchups such as Tigrex and Legiana (pretty much everything thunder weak is raw skewed).

And Taroth Arrow Thunder is dominant in the thunder favoured matchups such as Nagracuga.

Kjarr Spark with its terrible stats is worse overall, but it earns a unique place in the meta game for it’s para coatings.
However, the Safi Velk + Safi Thunder Bow set up with para coating will still be best if you manage to maintain high coalesence uptime." Also elemental V is way larger than whatever you can get from armor skills.

That, and If I may offer 50 cents on the matter, Safi Thunder is a solid, generalist option, thanks mainly to the dedicated Kirin armguard: it is somewhat rare to find good synergy for elemental damage already built in your armour. And if you want more utility, is always possible to add paracoat/sleepcoat gems. “High coalescence uptime” is great on paper, but imo, considering how usually I play bows, is difficult to maintain during a hunt.
Finally, regarding Crit Ele vs True Crit Ele on bows, the modifiers are 1.35 vs 1.55, respectively. So, I would say True Crit Ele is simply better.
OFC, we must consider the build overall, not simply TCE vs CE in a vacuum: how many slots TCE frees in a build, which I can use to add further damage vs simple CE (or viceversa)?

[AfLIcTeD]

Originally posted by ♋Phenex:

Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

gotcha, dont play bow much but i do understand its quirks and thought process behind its meta. but i myself, dont really use safi weapons for the weapon types i main so as far as what the bonuses provide i got now real clue if they are worth it.

but my thinking here was simply Ranged gets a better bonus from crit ele and true crit element, so the end question would be, would true crit ele be worth it over having normal crit ele but an extra elemental V?

though when AT velk drops, i think that will have a much more obvious answer.

Well with safi bow, you would use silverlos to get TCE and have all elemental awakenings so you wouldn't have normal crit ele.

Yeah but Silverlos armour sucks. Terrible skills and slots. You are using the armour just for TCE. You can't fit all of the necessary skills, affinity, stamina, HB3, mighty bow let alone anything else you may want.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

Originally posted by ♋Phenex:

Well with safi bow, you would use silverlos to get TCE and have all elemental awakenings so you wouldn't have normal crit ele.

Yeah but Silverlos armour sucks. Terrible skills and slots. You are using the armour just for TCE. You can't fit all of the necessary skills, affinity, stamina, HB3, mighty bow let alone anything else you may want.

yeah thats what im kinda driving at, would in the end it be worth it to run essence on the bow, so you only need to dedicate 3 pieces of silver los armor for the true ele crit, and then do something else to boost ele damage like two piece alatreon or is it somehow better to not run essence, run 4 piece silver los, and then whatever you can cram into that last slot for armor? i feel like even if the bonus is minor, the overall bonuses you could get from two piece alatreon would make it well worth not having 1 elemental V for the essence, have better overall resistances, and a better skill base. i setup a mock up and i think i settled on using all beta piece, with the alatreon helm and gloves with the rest silverlos (i dont have the bow but assuming i did) thats true crit ele + alatreons 2 piece, eat for ele res L run 2 hard defense jewels and any hard res jewels you can, on top of the other essential skills to maximize your elemental damage and affinity. and then you got a top tier set, in theory anyway.

[Aelin Galathynius]

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

Originally posted by ♋Phenex:

Well with safi bow, you would use silverlos to get TCE and have all elemental awakenings so you wouldn't have normal crit ele.

Yeah but Silverlos armour sucks. Terrible skills and slots. You are using the armour just for TCE. You can't fit all of the necessary skills, affinity, stamina, HB3, mighty bow let alone anything else you may want.

It's worth adding here that as well as the terrible slots on Silverlos letting Safi fit in far more comfort there is also the +150 element and 40% affinity from Safi which frees up still more slots.

So with Safi you have a higher number due to the +150 element with a lower multiplier but the multipliers are 1.35 for crit element vs 1.55 for true crit element. So it's only 0.2 difference which isn't enough to offset the massive +150 to the base number.

[♋Phenex]

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

Originally posted by ♋Phenex:

Well with safi bow, you would use silverlos to get TCE and have all elemental awakenings so you wouldn't have normal crit ele.

Yeah but Silverlos armour sucks. Terrible skills and slots. You are using the armour just for TCE. You can't fit all of the necessary skills, affinity, stamina, HB3, mighty bow let alone anything else you may want.

Ok? That isn't what this topic is for though. If you wanted to play comfort thunder bow, you would go alatreon 2 safi 3 Kjarr spark but otherwise silverlos 4 piece is the way to go. It still fits all the necessary damage skills as shown here. https://mhwbowbuilds.webnode.com/_files/200000010-95ca995cac/thunder%20con1.png
Note this is only for thunder and dragon as all other elements use safi.

[Aelin Galathynius]

Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

Originally posted by AfLIcTeD:

Yeah but Silverlos armour sucks. Terrible skills and slots. You are using the armour just for TCE. You can't fit all of the necessary skills, affinity, stamina, HB3, mighty bow let alone anything else you may want.

yeah thats what im kinda driving at, would in the end it be worth it to run essence on the bow, so you only need to dedicate 3 pieces of silver los armor for the true ele crit, and then do something else to boost ele damage like two piece alatreon or is it somehow better to not run essence, run 4 piece silver los, and then whatever you can cram into that last slot for armor? i feel like even if the bonus is minor, the overall bonuses you could get from two piece alatreon would make it well worth not having 1 elemental V for the essence, have better overall resistances, and a better skill base. i setup a mock up and i think i settled on using all beta piece, with the alatreon helm and gloves with the rest silverlos (i dont have the bow but assuming i did) thats true crit ele + alatreons 2 piece, eat for ele res L run 2 hard defense jewels and any hard res jewels you can, on top of the other essential skills to maximize your elemental damage and affinity. and then you got a top tier set, in theory anyway.

Make your build on here and post it please. It will make it easier to compare.

https://honeyhunterworld.com/mhwbi/?2017,265,251,272,246,249,48,def:1;elem:3-;;;;-el6;el5;el5;el5;el5,0,0,35,0,0,90,90,0,30,0,0,371,379,0,235,30,0,83,58,0,4:0:0:0:0:0:0