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[Mikko]

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[The High Seraph]

Kjarr fire have build in crit element which allow u to run with full safi set instead of 3 safi + 2 velk . If you are using LS, u should focus on raw first . But Kjarr Fire with 5 safi can deal fck ton of damage against AT Namei and Ice active Alatreon especially with coalascence active .

[Kaldor Draigo]

Are you in High Rank or Master Rank?, can't really remember the stats for the Wyvern Blade.

But at least in Master Rank Kjarr Fire is the best Fire Longsword and it's kind of meta against stuff like Namielle and Alatreon.

[Kaldor Draigo]

Originally posted by The Legend:

Why would you run a safi element set for LS against Alatreon? He's got far better hitzones for raw damage than elemental. All you need is just enough elemental damage to hit the check, which isn't a whole lot. People hit it with snowballs. Kjarr fire with just its base elemental damage, with no increases beyond that is way more than enough. Just slap Kjarr fire on the 3pc Teo- 2pc R. Brachy meta set. Or if someone wants to burn dracolite on a safi LS with fire element, that's probably a better option.

I don't know what the best LS speed run is on alatreon, but I'm pretty sure they didn't use no safi 5pc elemental set. You got the health degen-recovery mechanic with safi set to contend with as well, and it's not really a set that's good for novice players, they'll just cart more. Especially in fights like Alatreon, or AT Nami.

Kjarr Fire LS IS meta on Alatreon. And even if it's for novice players they will benefit a lot from using a Kjarr weapon, because a lot of them struggle to reach the DPS check.

Though I agree that Safi armor can be dangerous for novice players, the self-damage can be easily negated by health regen augment.

Here's one of the best LS times on Alatreon at the moment, using Kjarr Fire LS and 3 Safi 2 Alatreon.

https://youtu.be/9df2YXYbjhw

[ArtificialQT]

Originally posted by The Legend:

Because going raw with minimum element to hit the check seems to be the standard for most weapons that aren't optimal at dealing elemental damage, which LS isn't. Weapons good at elemental are stuff like Bow and DBs. LS isn't as good at elemental.

The real question is, can you hit the ele DPS check by riding the edge like that?

If you can, then good for you. If you can't, build more element.

[Kaldor Draigo]

Originally posted by The Legend:

Is that the best time for that weapon though? You said "one of the best". I'm asking on LS boards right now. Because going raw with minimum element to hit the check seems to be the standard for most weapons that aren't optimal at dealing elemental damage, which LS isn't. Weapons good at elemental are stuff like Bow and DBs. LS isn't as good at elemental.

I believe that's the best time at the current date, yes. Unless there is a faster run that I havent' seen. But all the Alatreon runs are done with Kjarr Fire LS, only the Ice version is worth speedrunning with LS for that reason, Kjarr Ice LS is mediocre.

[Kaldor Draigo]

Originally posted by The Legend:

Ok, that actually is the best run to date. Initially, people were saying run raw with minimum element, but it looks like there might be scenarios where the total damage done by raw + element might do more than strictly raw heavy sets.

I've been using raw heavy sets for most melee weapons in that fight.

On normal hunts I'd say the benefit of having more element is that you get more openings because you will get more topples.

I think SnS benefits more from a more raw focused build on Alatreon though, with a Kjarr weapon.

[Giallombardo]

kjarr weapon is bad, use defender weapon 3

[Nerevar]

i think people are not getting the tcs sarcasm here..... i mean. look at the type of post and what he writes. seems familiar isnt it?^^

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by The Legend:

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Kjarr fire have build in crit element which allow u to run with full safi set instead of 3 safi + 2 velk . If you are using LS, u should focus on raw first . But Kjarr Fire with 5 safi can deal fck ton of damage against AT Namei and Ice active Alatreon especially with coalascence active .

Why would you run a safi element set for LS against Alatreon? He's got far better hitzones for raw damage than elemental. All you need is just enough elemental damage to hit the check, which isn't a whole lot. People hit it with snowballs. Kjarr fire with just its base elemental damage, with no increases beyond that is way more than enough. Just slap Kjarr fire on the 3pc Teo- 2pc R. Brachy meta set. Or if someone wants to burn dracolite on a safi LS with fire element, that's probably a better option.

I don't know what the best LS speed run is on alatreon, but I'm pretty sure they didn't use no safi 5pc elemental set. You got the health degen-recovery mechanic with safi set to contend with as well, and it's not really a set that's good for novice players, they'll just cart more. Especially in fights like Alatreon, or AT Nami. 3pc teostra + 2pc Raging Brachy is a great set for players of any skill level. If people want more comfort skills with the set, they can awaken a safi LS with teostra technique, and use 1 less piece of teostra armor to fit in whatever other skills they might want.

Because LS TA runs can't kill Ala before first Ej unlike HBG runs and u can easily get 3 knockdowns with more elemental . Speedrunners already tested in first day of ala release, normal MT Agi 7 set with Kjarr fire LS is not even worth , Its SHB is 220 per tick meanwhile elemental LS can perform almsot the same with more knockdowns . And 3 safi 2 ala is the best for current LS speedruns . But I am suggesting 5 safi because its more comfy and dps gain is minimal , btw why are u even dragging speedrun in this ?

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by The Legend:

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Because LS TA runs can't kill Ala before first Ej unlike HBG runs and u can easily get 3 knockdowns with more elemental . Speedrunners already tested in first day of ala release, normal MT Agi 7 set with Kjarr fire LS is not even worth , Its SHB is 220 per tick meanwhile elemental LS can perform almsot the same with more knockdowns . And 3 safi 2 ala is the best for current LS speedruns . But I am suggesting 5 safi because its more comfy and dps gain is minimal , btw why are u even dragging speedrun in this ?

The set they used in the video above was this:

Kjárr Sword "Fire"
∙ Custom upgrades: All attack increase.
∙ Final stats: Attack 950, Affinity 30%, Fire element 570.
∙ Augmentations: Affinity Increase I, Health Regen I, Element/Status Effect Up I.

Equiment and Decorations:
∙ Safi Crested Crown β+ (Tenderizer/Vitality, Attack, Vitality)
∙ Safi Crested Chest β+ (Blaze+, Tenderizer)
∙ Escadora Armguards β+ (Blaze+, Tenderizer)
∙ Escadora Might β+ (Blaze+, Expert)
∙ Safi Crested Boots β+ (Phoenix/Evasion, Sharp, Resistor)
∙ Challenger Charm V
∙ Rocksteady Mantle+ (Sheath, Sheath)
∙ Evasion Mantle+ (Furor, Furor)

So they're not using safi + resentment, and got health augment on the weapon. This means the set is comfier than the traditional safi 5pc + resentment with no health augment.

That set looks fine.

This set have only health boost lvl 2 and blight resist 2 set up , Plus only evade window lvl 2 . Both are not problem in the hand of speedrunner but in the hand of normal player lack of hp boost lvl 3 can be fatal especially jump from 2 to 3 is high . If you want hp boost 3 , u need to switch with blight resist 2 to 1 . You know how fast blight recovery is combine with Blight resist lvl 2 and felyne groomer foodskill ? And Who restricting u to not run 5 safi with hp regen augment ?

this is the set using 5 safi which is a bit more comfy and a bit less damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0NJoqWb3Oc

this is 3 safi 2 ala with health boost lvl 3 + Blight resist 1 set up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xFtPw_ilrQ&t=388s

Health boost 3 is important in punishing Ala's downward ice breath with SHB since hunter need to tank the whole breath . HB 2 is doable but single wrong calculation leads to cart . So its all about player opinion , even among speedrunners . You want HB 3 Blight resist 1 or HB 2 Blight Resist 2 . Want both with better iframe ? run 5 safi .

[Shai]

Kjarr weapons are the best if and only if you want to deal high elemental damage against very monsters that are weak against elemental damage.

The best weapons for a Kjarr elemental build are => Dual Blades, Bow, Charge Blade, SnS.

Weapons that are "meh" with Kjarr elemental damage but still ""viable"" => Insect Glaive and Long sword.

The other weapons benefits more with raw damage so don't bother making an elemental Great Sword build because its useless.

[RedViper]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

i think people are not getting the tcs sarcasm here..... i mean. look at the type of post and what he writes. seems familiar isnt it?^^

This proves that a lot of people don't really read the post completely and just read "kjar long sword".

[Kaldor Draigo]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

i think people are not getting the tcs sarcasm here..... i mean. look at the type of post and what he writes. seems familiar isnt it?^^

It's rather hard to spot on not-so-obvious bait/troll posts unless you are keeping track of every dumb post that happens in the MH community.

This is why veterans are developing a "git gud" attitude instead of trying to help.

Oh well.

[Xilo The Odd]

well, the thing to remember is simply how the math works from having crit element as opposed to not having it but having a higher base element. i'd read up on how elemental damage works and is calculated against your target before deciding if running a weapon elementally is better for you than focusing on raw with element on the side or going pure raw.

like example, going pure raw on lavasioth would work, but he hardens and becomes more resistant. but if you even had 10 fire element on a weapon you can self soften him up so your raw strikes home more effectively. every monster with a 3 star weakness to an element, still has its own levels of defense against elements, a good example is kulve taroth pretty much has the highest weakness to ice out of anything, but then another normal monster with the same level of weakness to ice in the hunters notes, takes less overall than kulve. so it might be better to go pure raw on such a monster as opposed to kulve, it just depends where you plan to be hitting the target more often.

so yeah read up or watch up on how elemental damage is calculated vs raw, find the numbers relevant to your intended targets for the weapon of your choice, then decide if its worth using or not to you. in the end thats what matters, if the weapon is worth using to you.

[Nerevar]

Originally posted by The Legend:

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Because LS TA runs can't kill Ala before first Ej unlike HBG runs and u can easily get 3 knockdowns with more elemental . Speedrunners already tested in first day of ala release, normal MT Agi 7 set with Kjarr fire LS is not even worth , Its SHB is 220 per tick meanwhile elemental LS can perform almsot the same with more knockdowns . And 3 safi 2 ala is the best for current LS speedruns . But I am suggesting 5 safi because its more comfy and dps gain is minimal , btw why are u even dragging speedrun in this ?

The set they used in the video above was this:

Kjárr Sword "Fire"
∙ Custom upgrades: All attack increase.
∙ Final stats: Attack 950, Affinity 30%, Fire element 570.
∙ Augmentations: Affinity Increase I, Health Regen I, Element/Status Effect Up I.

Equiment and Decorations:
∙ Safi Crested Crown β+ (Tenderizer/Vitality, Attack, Vitality)
∙ Safi Crested Chest β+ (Blaze+, Tenderizer)
∙ Escadora Armguards β+ (Blaze+, Tenderizer)
∙ Escadora Might β+ (Blaze+, Expert)
∙ Safi Crested Boots β+ (Phoenix/Evasion, Sharp, Resistor)
∙ Challenger Charm V
∙ Rocksteady Mantle+ (Sheath, Sheath)
∙ Evasion Mantle+ (Furor, Furor)

So they're not using safi + resentment, and got health augment on the weapon. This means the set is comfier than the traditional safi 5pc + resentment with no health augment.

That set looks fine. Someone could fit in health boost 3, by getting rid of a few non-essential skills without losing that much damage. That would make the set good enough for people of any skill level.

keep in mind elemental LS is ONLY used for alatreon speedruns and fire was used on a yeet at nami build. but that is about it for elemental ls. never use safi armor on ls otherwise. terrible idea as the setbonus doesnt really do much for LS normally. there is a reason why blast mt is still meta. also fun fact : standard blast raw setup can kill alatreon aswell. youll just cart 1-2 times due to the nova move. 2 depends on your dps. you can yeet him before he does 2nd nova if gud.