Best weapon to play with a friend?

[Yeldo]

My friend is using a Katana and i've heard katana is not very friendly in online so I decided to play heavy bow gun but i dont think im helping him much either LOL when I drop cluster or some other ammo that explodes he gets knocked so I dont think HBG is a good weapon online either....what would you guys suggest?

[asako]

use spread or pierce instead of cluster ammo

[Giallombardo]

never use cluster in online play

[Emerald Lance]

Just don't use ammo that knocks people around. Avoid cluster and wyvern ammo when playing with people. Otherwise, HBG is one of the best: you can stay away from your friend's sword, cause a number of status effects, have access to multiple elements per gun, and can also deal good damage as well.

As for longsword being unfriendly, the reason people feel that way is because the wide reach of its swing arc can trip other melee hunters, ruining everybody else's combos. Of course, any decent melee hunter will have a flinch free jewel equiped, which completely negates pretty much all weapon tripping. So use whatever weapon feels right for you; if you go with a melee weapon, slot in a flinch free and you'll be good.

[cruste]

hunting horn is one of the best support weapons but it gets boring through its sluggish moveset

[Yeldo]

Originally posted by Emerald Lance:

Just don't use ammo that knocks people around. Avoid cluster and wyvern ammo when playing with people. Otherwise, HBG is one of the best: you can stay away from your friend's sword, cause a number of status effects, have access to multiple elements per gun, and can also deal good damage as well.

As for longsword being unfriendly, the reason people feel that way is because the wide reach of its swing arc can trip other melee hunters, ruining everybody else's combos. Of course, any decent melee hunter will have a flinch free jewel equiped, which completely negates pretty much all weapon tripping. So use whatever weapon feels right for you; if you go with a melee weapon, slot in a flinch free and you'll be good.

I see thank you!
But isn't wyvern and cluster the strongest ammo attacks for HBG? I really feel like piercing and others are not as good in terms of damage wise I see a lot of 1-3-6 numbers while cluster does like 30+ and 4 times same with wyvern

[Yeldo]

Originally posted by Yeldo:

Originally posted by Emerald Lance:

Just don't use ammo that knocks people around. Avoid cluster and wyvern ammo when playing with people. Otherwise, HBG is one of the best: you can stay away from your friend's sword, cause a number of status effects, have access to multiple elements per gun, and can also deal good damage as well.

As for longsword being unfriendly, the reason people feel that way is because the wide reach of its swing arc can trip other melee hunters, ruining everybody else's combos. Of course, any decent melee hunter will have a flinch free jewel equiped, which completely negates pretty much all weapon tripping. So use whatever weapon feels right for you; if you go with a melee weapon, slot in a flinch free and you'll be good.

I see thank you!
But isn't wyvern and cluster the strongest ammo attacks for HBG? I really feel like piercing and others are not as good in terms of damage wise I see a lot of 1-3-6 numbers while cluster does like 30+ and 4 times same with wyvern also the only status effect I use is poison should I use others?

[Some Dumb Dog]

Two things. First, just in case people just keep saying don't use cluster and wyvern. Use them at the parts your ally is not attacking. The damage from them isn't effected by hit zone values(defense of a specific area on the monster).

Second. Pierce and spread do small numbers just ALOT of them. Either based on how much of the monster the pierce shot goes through, or just how close you are to the monster.
Hope this helps alittle.

[Giallombardo]

Originally posted by Yeldo:

Originally posted by Emerald Lance:

Just don't use ammo that knocks people around. Avoid cluster and wyvern ammo when playing with people. Otherwise, HBG is one of the best: you can stay away from your friend's sword, cause a number of status effects, have access to multiple elements per gun, and can also deal good damage as well.

As for longsword being unfriendly, the reason people feel that way is because the wide reach of its swing arc can trip other melee hunters, ruining everybody else's combos. Of course, any decent melee hunter will have a flinch free jewel equiped, which completely negates pretty much all weapon tripping. So use whatever weapon feels right for you; if you go with a melee weapon, slot in a flinch free and you'll be good.

I see thank you!
But isn't wyvern and cluster the strongest ammo attacks for HBG? I really feel like piercing and others are not as good in terms of damage wise I see a lot of 1-3-6 numbers while cluster does like 30+ and 4 times same with wyvern

it is the strongest but only if you attack alone in multiplayer combat monster hp also scale by number of players in the quest so if you being selfish and keeps spamming cluster the DPS won't be maximum and only make the quest longer than it should've because cluster knockbaks disallow other party members to contribute attack

Note: best ammos for HBG are Spread, Sticky and Pierce

[Yeldo]

Originally posted by Snow Poff:

Two things. First, just in case people just keep saying don't use cluster and wyvern. Use them at the parts your ally is not attacking. The damage from them isn't effected by hit zone values(defense of a specific area on the monster).

Second. Pierce and spread do small numbers just ALOT of them. Either based on how much of the monster the pierce shot goes through, or just how close you are to the monster.
Hope this helps alittle.

Thanks man I will keep on saying it and maybe I will try a melee weapon too, between switchaxe and chargeblade are they pretty much the same?

[GladiatorDragon]

HH and Insect Glaive are good at supporting on their own (HH through buffs, Glaive through mounts and Kinsect Dust), S&S is great for healing if you use Wide Range (No need for S&S to sheath to use items).

[Some Dumb Dog]

Originally posted by Yeldo:

Thanks man I will keep on saying it and maybe I will try a melee weapon too, between switchaxe and chargeblade are they pretty much the same?

Glad to help.
Another note on clusters is primarily use them when the monster is down. The spread of the cluster bombs is more predictable and so is your allies movement.

Chargeblade and switchaxe are very different weapons. As a CB main, I'll always vote for it, but the learning curve can be rude. But that's also because me and switchaxe don't really get along.

[Mander]

Well, considering you're both getting better, I would say longsword is a great weapon to play with... at least, if you and your friend don't flinch each other. And even if you do, it’s a bad habit you should (try and) drop with time and practice. In the meantime, focus on different body parts: one go for the head, the other for the tail.
Managing 2 helmbreakers on the same monster at the same moment it’s very sweet.:)
Otherwise, SnS, bow, IG or LBG are all weapons who synergize very well with a LS, imo.

[Mander]

Originally posted by Yeldo:

Originally posted by Snow Poff:

Two things. First, just in case people just keep saying don't use cluster and wyvern. Use them at the parts your ally is not attacking. The damage from them isn't effected by hit zone values(defense of a specific area on the monster).

Second. Pierce and spread do small numbers just ALOT of them. Either based on how much of the monster the pierce shot goes through, or just how close you are to the monster.
Hope this helps alittle.

Thanks man I will keep on saying it and maybe I will try a melee weapon too, between switchaxe and chargeblade are they pretty much the same?

Not really: CB is difficult and it requires a lot of time to master. Once you're there though, you basically slap any monster silly, thanks to the mix of good mobility, shield and DPS (both elemental and raw). It’s a weapon where you’ve to apply a lot to improve your game.
SW is simpler, and thanks to its high damage and the repetitiveness of the pertaining combos, you’ll understand how to use it a lot faster. You pay for it with poor mobility though (somehow: you can clutch claw to mitigate a lot of the disadvantage). Nonetheless, it’s a weapon with a high risk, high reward approach.
Among the two, Hammer is another viable alternative: high damage, decent mobility and some fun combos, without the risk involved with the SW playstyle. As long as you can apply consistently your hammer to the monster head (or mounting it), you’re good.

[Tregrenos]

Choosing a ranged weapon was the right call on your part. It gives more freedom of movement for both parties with the other being melee and until you get to the higher levels of HBG bare in mind that despite having smaller attacks you're generally able to keep attacking the monster regardless of where it goes. Learn your weapon, advance when needed and don't worry about builds at lower levels. If you have the materials to make the items have it so one of your cats is using a Paralysis weapon and the other a Sleep weapon on the off chance the cats can status the monsters.

[Emerald Lance]

Originally posted by Giallombardo:

Originally posted by Yeldo:

I see thank you!
But isn't wyvern and cluster the strongest ammo attacks for HBG? I really feel like piercing and others are not as good in terms of damage wise I see a lot of 1-3-6 numbers while cluster does like 30+ and 4 times same with wyvern

it is the strongest but only if you attack alone in multiplayer combat monster hp also scale by number of players in the quest so if you being selfish and keeps spamming cluster the DPS won't be maximum and only make the quest longer than it should've because cluster knockbaks disallow other party members to contribute attack

Note: best ammos for HBG are Spread, Sticky and Pierce

As said, yes they are the strongest ammo types, but using them in a group is selfish because you'll be keeping other players from hitting the monster. You will be doing the most damage you can do, but in the process will be taking away all the damage from other hunters, so the final damage done to the monster will ultimately be far less. Cluster and wyvern ammos are very situational, so if you do use it then make sure you have the proper opening; don't just spam it, both because it leaves you open to attack and because it's rude to other players.

I also want to add slicing ammo to that list of best ammo. Slicing does more damage than sticky ammo, can cut tails, and you have 30 shots plus 30 more slash berries to make more ammo. Piercing ammo needs long monsters to be effective (and even then you have to line the shot up properly every time), spread requires you to be right in the monster's face to be effective, and sticky is best used for dealing stun and part damage.

As a HBG main myself, slicing ammo is my go-to ammo type. I refuse to use a HBG that doesn't support it, regardless of any other factors.