Is Fatalis the strongest Monster canon in the MH series?

[Spada]

Hi :3

[silberein]

Plesioth can hipcheck those black dragons to oblivion

[Camelfall08]

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Plesioth can hipcheck those black dragons to oblivion

And at a 5-mile range, too!!!

[Giallombardo]

İlk olarak Schloool tarafından gönderildi:

No, there was a legend called "Great Jaggi". It is still considered the strongest monster that has ever existed.

i stand by him

[JPM岩]

İlk olarak Atheist tarafından gönderildi:

he better not be another DPS check guaranteed death nonsense

I hope he is a DPS check just to make people like you mad.

[Turel]

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İlk olarak SotiCoto tarafından gönderildi:

Hunters are the real monsters.

Canonically though, all the black dragons of calamity are "the strongest". Alatreon is one of them. Fatalis is another. You'll probably never meet Dire Miralis nor Gogmazios...

Gog isnt a black dragon, and isnt even a hard fight. Ill never understand why people praise him so much.

İlk olarak Juliane_L tarafından gönderildi:

no, he's outclassed by quite a few monsters.

my personal black dragon power list: (this is purely an interpretation)
1: Frontier's G white fatalis.
2: disufiora (know as the strongest monster, but that was before G white fati.)
3: Frontier's G crimson fatalis.
4: basic white fatalis
5: frontier's G black flame fatalis
6: 4U's G crimson fatalis
7: elemental meristophelin
8: basic crimson fatalis
9: basic fatalis
10: dire miralis
11: alatreon
12: base meristophelin.

i THINK i didn't forget any.

other monsters worth noting:
-shantien: know as "disuphiora's mortal ennemy". even tough he lost against disu, he still survived and is sometimes considered a world ending threat. even if he isn't a black dragon, he is definitely on the same level of power than at least alatreon.
-dalamadur: already one of the strongest non black dragon monsters, and that was a baby/juvenile: the one in the rotten vale is much bigger than the 4U one. if it was still alive, i have no doubt he could hold himself against an elder dragon.
-alatreon subspecie: in the lore, there is an altreon subspecie described as a "shining blue dragon". it has blue flames that makes his scales sparkle. and that's everything we know about him so i couldn't include him.
-safi'jiva: near black dragon power.

-bulfangos, rhenoplos, great jaggi, konchus: not black dragons so not in the list, but they are MUCH stronger than any black dragon.

Merphi Im sure isnt canon. Disu is only that strong when its 9999 Solstice Disu.

I have to say JPM is right Gogmazios is just a normal elder (Last time we saw him was 2015 4U) And Meristophelin isn't cannon and not owned by Capcom he was created by Tencent last time I checked during Monster hunter online.(Quite a few monsters from that game where created by Tencent)

As for the question

İlk olarak Spada tarafından gönderildi:

Hi :3

Yes he is the strongest anyone who has used weapons or equipment from Fatalis has randomly gone missing or had or has strange side effects from using his items

[GladiatorDragon]

In lore, Fatalis is practically a deity. Even some of the most potent elders run from its frightening power. The only creatures that surpass it are Crimson Fatalis and White Fatalis, and the only ones considered "equal" are the other two Black Dragons: Dire Miralis (which boiled an ocean just by existing), and Alatraeon (which threatens to drown the world in the salt it generates from those who fight it).

I've not played the older games, but in those, Fatalis was apparently rather slow. He could deal a ton of damage, but he was very predictable and easy to avoid. I can essentially promise that he will be far more deadly in Iceborne.

I can also promise he will have a conditional one-shot, like Safi, Behemoth, and Alatraeon. Perhaps it will require you to fire a binder, or deal damage, or even chuck a dragonator at it, who knows.

[JPM岩]

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İlk olarak JPM岩 tarafından gönderildi:

Gog isnt a black dragon, and isnt even a hard fight. Ill never understand why people praise him so much.


Merphi Im sure isnt canon. Disu is only that strong when its 9999 Solstice Disu.

I have to say JPM is right Gogmazios is just a normal elder (Last time we saw him was 2015 4U) And Meristophelin isn't cannon and not owned by Capcom he was created by Tencent last time I checked during Monster hunter online.(Quite a few monsters from that game where created by Tencent)

As for the question

İlk olarak Spada tarafından gönderildi:

Hi :3

Yes he is the strongest anyone who has used weapons or equipment from Fatalis has randomly gone missing or had or has strange side effects from using his items

Technically, Merphi is owned by Capcom, but the fact that it's made in a completely different country by a non-Capcom related studio tells me it's noncanon. Like, Verusa Nowa in Stories I can see being canon cause I believe the game was worked on under direct supervision of Capcom.

[Mander]

Yes, it is.
But more than that, and the reason why Fatalis is both sorta of a MH rockstar and its Knight of Cerebus, is that Fatalis si heavily tied with the pre-existent lore of the series. In short, everyone who try to make some order in the background of Monster Hunter (for example the source and the organization of the current civilization of guild sanctioned hunters), sooner or later stumble upon a wall named Fatalis, which hides almost all background information under a veil of absolute destruction.
What we know (and please be aware that this is never stated, but only implied), is that the current status of the word of monster hunter is a direct consequence of a cataclysmic act of violence visited by Fatalis (and other elder dragons) on the ancient civilization who predate the guild of hunters. Keep also in mind that this ancient civilization could be a future version of ours, if we stretch the circumstantial evidence a little (or a lot).
In short, hunting for Fatalis or for clues about him, isn’t that much different (and not less dangerous) that looking for tomes of eldritch knowledge or Cthulhu itself.
But ofc, danger always fails to stop a Hunter. 😊

[★ Moonlight ★]

There are 5 monsters stronger then Fatalis.
Kulu-ya-ku
Dodogama
Great Baggi
Great Jaggi

and the most terrifying of all, Plesioth

[Corrupt-nz]

You'd think shah dalamadur would be the strongest. But a few slaps on the nose and rose down lol

[Chippawaffen]

by the little lore 'known" of him or we are 'told' yes it is 'lorewise'.

Now fighting it...no not at all it is one of the boring fights in some of the monhun games.

claw swipe, charge, tail swipe and fireball are about his moveset

İlk olarak Mander tarafından gönderildi:

Yes, it is.
But more than that, and the reason why Fatalis is both sorta of a MH rockstar and its Knight of Cerebus, is that Fatalis si heavily tied with the pre-existent lore of the series. In short, everyone who try to make some order in the background of Monster Hunter (for example the source and the organization of the current civilization of guild sanctioned hunters), sooner or later stumble upon a wall named Fatalis, which hides almost all background information under a veil of absolute destruction.
What we know (and please be aware that this is never stated, but only implied), is that the current status of the word of monster hunter is a direct consequence of a cataclysmic act of violence visited by Fatalis (and other elder dragons) on the ancient civilization who predate the guild of hunters. Keep also in mind that this ancient civilization could be a future version of ours, if we stretch the circumstantial evidence a little (or a lot).
In short, hunting for Fatalis or for clues about him, isn’t that much different (and not less dangerous) that looking for tomes of eldritch knowledge or Cthulhu itself.
But ofc, danger always fails to stop a Hunter. 😊

Honestly from the scene after the alty fight I think we will get some actual real lore of it. I think that 'warning' that was given was about the true nature of monster hunter which might be some godzilla-tier lesson that the ancient civ made him. like they tried creating life to protect them by destroying so many others(ED for their bioenergy) but still ended up getting destroyed. which is why it only lurks in the ruins of old and doesn't actively destroy everything. Why else would some higher-up cult be destroying all the notes and evidence of it?

Also if all the games are in the same timeline someone keeps breeding/creating them

hopefully something more than...errr big bad spooky dragon with literally no origin than it may or may not have caused world wide destruction then just chilled out to get killed by us multiple times

[𝓇𝒾𝓃𝒶𝒶𝒶𝒶𝒶]

Nope.
My boi Gypceros would rekt Fatalis in a 1v1, ez no re.

İlk olarak silberein tarafından gönderildi:

Plesioth can hipcheck those black dragons to oblivion

Plesioth hips don't lie.

[JPM岩]

İlk olarak Mander tarafından gönderildi:

Yes, it is.
But more than that, and the reason why Fatalis is both sorta of a MH rockstar and its Knight of Cerebus, is that Fatalis si heavily tied with the pre-existent lore of the series. In short, everyone who try to make some order in the background of Monster Hunter (for example the source and the organization of the current civilization of guild sanctioned hunters), sooner or later stumble upon a wall named Fatalis, which hides almost all background information under a veil of absolute destruction.
What we know (and please be aware that this is never stated, but only implied), is that the current status of the word of monster hunter is a direct consequence of a cataclysmic act of violence visited by Fatalis (and other elder dragons) on the ancient civilization who predate the guild of hunters. Keep also in mind that this ancient civilization could be a future version of ours, if we stretch the circumstantial evidence a little (or a lot).
In short, hunting for Fatalis or for clues about him, isn’t that much different (and not less dangerous) that looking for tomes of eldritch knowledge or Cthulhu itself.
But ofc, danger always fails to stop a Hunter. 😊

IDK why you compared Fatalis to an Eldrich, as theyre not even remotely similar, but okay.

İlk olarak Chippawaffen tarafından gönderildi:

by the little lore 'known" of him or we are 'told' yes it is 'lorewise'.

Now fighting it...no not at all it is one of the boring fights in some of the monhun games.

claw swipe, charge, tail swipe and fireball are about his moveset

İlk olarak Mander tarafından gönderildi:

Yes, it is.
But more than that, and the reason why Fatalis is both sorta of a MH rockstar and its Knight of Cerebus, is that Fatalis si heavily tied with the pre-existent lore of the series. In short, everyone who try to make some order in the background of Monster Hunter (for example the source and the organization of the current civilization of guild sanctioned hunters), sooner or later stumble upon a wall named Fatalis, which hides almost all background information under a veil of absolute destruction.
What we know (and please be aware that this is never stated, but only implied), is that the current status of the word of monster hunter is a direct consequence of a cataclysmic act of violence visited by Fatalis (and other elder dragons) on the ancient civilization who predate the guild of hunters. Keep also in mind that this ancient civilization could be a future version of ours, if we stretch the circumstantial evidence a little (or a lot).
In short, hunting for Fatalis or for clues about him, isn’t that much different (and not less dangerous) that looking for tomes of eldritch knowledge or Cthulhu itself.
But ofc, danger always fails to stop a Hunter. 😊

Honestly from the scene after the alty fight I think we will get some actual real lore of it. I think that 'warning' that was given was about the true nature of monster hunter which might be some godzilla-tier lesson that the ancient civ made him. like they tried creating life to protect them by destroying so many others(ED for their bioenergy) but still ended up getting destroyed. which is why it only lurks in the ruins of old and doesn't actively destroy everything. Why else would some higher-up cult be destroying all the notes and evidence of it?

Also if all the games are in the same timeline someone keeps breeding/creating them

hopefully something more than...errr big bad spooky dragon with literally no origin than it may or may not have caused world wide destruction then just chilled out to get killed by us multiple times

Ew ew ew, please no. I hate when games do garbage "lore" like that where "humans made their own destruction omg so edgy and deep". The Fatalis shows up to basically wreck humans, keep them in check. In a sense, a massive natural disaster that tests if humans deserve to stay on the planet or not. And your knowledge on Fatalis seems extremely limited. Fatalis live in Castle Schrade, because Castle Schrade is so stupidly massive and dangerous, no one would bother to look for them. Also, Schrade is like a trophy for Fatalis, proof that Fatalis wiped out the most advanced civilization on the planet. And Fatalis DO wipe out other things. Usually tho, Fatalis wiping something out means "makes it so there it looks like it never existed".

[Skeleton]

İlk olarak JPM岩 tarafından gönderildi:

Ew ew ew, please no. I hate when games do garbage "lore" like that where "humans made their own destruction omg so edgy and deep". The Fatalis shows up to basically wreck humans, keep them in check. In a sense, a massive natural disaster that tests if humans deserve to stay on the planet or not.

To be fair, that was the unused concept backstory for Monster Hunter - humans killed many dragons and used their parts to create a weaponised "cyborg" chimera, which triggered the remaining elder dragons to attack humanity - resulting in the Iron Age levels of technology seen in the series. This comes from the concept and lore book that was released near MH1.

And Fatalis' actions are only associated with Schrade kingdom. Not the entirety of humanity. Its intentions were unknown, but it certainly wouldn't be the first - or last - elder to threaten a city's destruction.

[Mr Compassionate]

Short answer? Yes. Every single time you bring up how strong a monster is in MH everybody will insist that nothing is ever stronger than Fatalis even though Fatalis in older games was a big slow predictable lumbering pile of HP that could kill you in 1 hit but only if you messed up real bad.

Anyways in lore a Fatalis (for Fatalis is a species of dragon) destroyed all of human civilization for their transgressions. Other elder dragons flee if a Fatalis is about because it's ♥♥♥♥ is huge and powerful. Basically it is Goku for MH in the sense that everybody will get into giant arguments about how it could beat up everybody.