Stop using dragon in Alatreon SOS

[Batin Miskin Rajin Komplain]

Your dragon GS/IG is not going to topple him and the group is going to have a harder time keeping up with the elemental DPS check. Not everyone run DB and CB to topple him for the team single-handedly

[stealthdriver]

Maybe tell that to ppl in your particular group instead of to steam forums?

Dragon GS/IG is welcome in my group. I've never failed to meet the DPS check with any group I've been in.

[Tregrenos]

When on my first hunt I went in solo to test my Kinsect Only Healers build using the Dragon Kensect. I wasn't as aggressive as I could have been and never intended to actually beat him, just see how well I'd do with the Healers build for group matches. While it had taken me literally to the last second to beat him it was a first try victory and not a single one of his big attacks weren't nerfed due to the dragon damage being enough to meet the DPS check.

[Batin Miskin Rajin Komplain]

Originally posted by stealthdriver:

Maybe tell that to ppl in your particular group instead of to steam forums?

Dragon GS/IG is welcome in my group. I've never failed to meet the DPS check with any group I've been in.

Good team! And no I wasn't being sarcastic. But a lot of the times where I've tried to help people in SOS where majority use dragon without a CB/DB carry, I can't get the topple. I can carry two people's dps check at most but all three using dragon is just problematic. And when it's an SOS, changing weapons isn't always the option? It's a different story if it's in sessions of course. My point was better be safe than sorry.

[Batin Miskin Rajin Komplain]

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

When on my first hunt I went in solo to test my Kinsect Only Healers build using the Dragon Kensect. I wasn't as aggressive as I could have been and never intended to actually beat him, just see how well I'd do with the Healers build for group matches. While it had taken me literally to the last second to beat him it was a first try victory and not a single one of his big attacks weren't nerfed due to the dragon damage being enough to meet the DPS check.

hey dude people are free to spam their kinsects! Better topple that way they deal a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of elemental attack! But not everyone does it and that's where the problem is D: Plus why only spam the kinsect when you can deal more damage by attacking with the whole weapon and the correct element?

[stealthdriver]

Originally posted by Mustalidae:

Originally posted by stealthdriver:

Maybe tell that to ppl in your particular group instead of to steam forums?

Dragon GS/IG is welcome in my group. I've never failed to meet the DPS check with any group I've been in.

Good team! And no I wasn't being sarcastic. But a lot of the times where I've tried to help people in SOS where majority use dragon without a CB/DB carry, I can't get the topple. I can carry two people's dps check at most but all three using dragon is just problematic. And when it's an SOS, changing weapons isn't always the option? It's a different story if it's in sessions of course. My point was better be safe then sorry.

Its true it's harder in an sos for the special assignment quest of the "sos"er is already at the dragon stage of the fight by the time you join.

And to be fair I guess I'm a CB carrier. My new fun technique I've been trying is doing sword only mode with overcharging condensed element. Very easy to meet the element DPS check with it.

[ase]

are you sure it's not because dragon is just a factor of a bad player and not a reason you're losing entirely?i ve met many people with dragon,if they use claw and do wallbangs ur fine,if not u you ill probably lose with 2 DBs

[Batin Miskin Rajin Komplain]

Originally posted by stealthdriver:

Originally posted by Mustalidae:

Good team! And no I wasn't being sarcastic. But a lot of the times where I've tried to help people in SOS where majority use dragon without a CB/DB carry, I can't get the topple. I can carry two people's dps check at most but all three using dragon is just problematic. And when it's an SOS, changing weapons isn't always the option? It's a different story if it's in sessions of course. My point was better be safe then sorry.

Its true it's harder in an sos for the special assignment quest of the "sos"er is already at the dragon stage of the fight by the time you join.

And to be fair I guess I'm a CB carrier. My new fun technique I've been trying is doing sword only mode with overcharging condensed element. Very easy to meet the element DPS check with it.

Yeah totally CB is OP as f*ck my dude it can carry 3 people using raw dmg and have no trouble keeping up with elemental dps check and being top of the class in terms of damage dealer. But I can't run CB for the whole team you know what i mean D: and it's not everytime we get CB/DB players. Sometimes raw users even come in randomly and this is where the effective element is handy. 2 correct element and 2 raw user can still topple in comparison with the 3 dragon user and 1 correct element (and no critical element or elemental attack maxed out at that! seen a lot of these), especially weapons with low motion values and not inherently an elemental weapon. Even with an aggressive playstyle, weapons like GS can barely topple with the correct element in solo, let alone dragon

[Batin Miskin Rajin Komplain]

Originally posted by lil XXXRDMKING uchiha:

are you sure it's not because dragon is just a factor of a bad player and not a reason you're losing entirely?i ve met many people with dragon,if they use claw and do wallbangs ur fine,if not u you ill probably lose with 2 DBs

also that. Many players are new to Alatreon I can acknowledge this, but you stand a better chance and deals more damage with the correct element is what I'm saying. I've failed so many escaton where there's only one correct element user and with no CB/DB in sight (others use dragon or raw, randoms sometimes do that), and really we can't help each other out if that's the case. Wallbangs and claws arent gonna topple him on their own

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Mustalidae:

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

When on my first hunt I went in solo to test my Kinsect Only Healers build using the Dragon Kensect. I wasn't as aggressive as I could have been and never intended to actually beat him, just see how well I'd do with the Healers build for group matches. While it had taken me literally to the last second to beat him it was a first try victory and not a single one of his big attacks weren't nerfed due to the dragon damage being enough to meet the DPS check.

hey dude people are free to spam their kinsects! Better topple that way they deal a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of elemental attack! But not everyone does it and that's where the problem is D: Plus why only spam the kinsect when you can deal more damage by attacking with the whole weapon and the correct element?

I'd made a healers build around using the kinsect exclusively while I checked how the defensive skills helped against the fight. Honestly didn't know much about how the elements effected his big nova attack, only that Dragon was the only element that had some effect constantly. Either way, it was successful for a non-DPS build and the dragon element was enough to keep its nova at bay. The cat was using a sleep weapon and shieldspire, so I know it didn't help in regards to nerfing the nova.

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Look at that angry timer in the corner!

[Greb]

I do fine with my Alatreon Hammer and 1000 Dragon Element, solo or with my friends.

I wouldn't join SOS for Alatreon though, I'm not stupid lol.

[AfLIcTeD]

Use elemental, but not that elemental.
At least they are using elemental.

[Batin Miskin Rajin Komplain]

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

Originally posted by Mustalidae:

hey dude people are free to spam their kinsects! Better topple that way they deal a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of elemental attack! But not everyone does it and that's where the problem is D: Plus why only spam the kinsect when you can deal more damage by attacking with the whole weapon and the correct element?

I'd made a healers build around using the kinsect exclusively while I checked how the defensive skills helped against the fight. Honestly didn't know much about how the elements effected his big nova attack, only that Dragon was the only element that had some effect constantly. Either way, it was successful for a non-DPS build and the dragon element was enough to keep its nova at bay. The cat was using a sleep weapon and shieldspire, so I know it didn't help in regards to nerfing the nova.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2159423327
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2159423248
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2159423411

Look at that angry timer in the corner!

Nice luck with the time XD I had trouble the first few times so when I tried the kinsect only build (Fire gleembeetle vs Ice active) it worked WONDERS. Topple within 5 minutes and got 2 topples in, kinsects are braindead against Alatreon. You could even do raw IG and still topple with only descending thrust, it's madness

[Batin Miskin Rajin Komplain]

Originally posted by Greb:

I do fine with my Alatreon Hammer and 1000 Dragon Element, solo or with my friends.

I wouldn't join SOS for Alatreon though, I'm not stupid lol.

Lmao if you topple with dragon then you play good and you don't need to fire random sos for an alatreon fight. It's just sometimes I feel like helping sos players and the gears aren't cutting it

[Greb]

Originally posted by Mustalidae:

Lmao if you topple with dragon then you play good and you don't need to fire random sos for an alatreon fight. It's just sometimes I feel like helping sos players and the gears aren't cutting it

Yeah, I initially tried fighting (and maybe helping, I guess) Alatreon with SOS but I saw people using Defender stuff as well as Lightbreak stuff too often, and I gave up. Maybe they're a little more educated now especially because content creators will have pumped out their meta sets for them to maybe copy, but still.

Well aware that matching the element totally wrecks Alatreon, though. I'm not much of an elemental weapon user myself, but two of my group break out dual blades just for Alatreon and they have an ice and fire set both based on the day, normally Alatreon topples like a stack of cards extremely quickly when they do that.

Meeting the check with Dragon weapons is certainly a lot slower but it's still doable, although yeah taking it into an SOS where everyone else (maybe) uses status, raw or just not a very decent elemental set is probably not a good idea, no lol. I certainly wouldn't trust myself to meet it if it was me and my Dragon Hammer plus 3 randoms without elemental, lol.

[Polaris]

And amlotmof people use dragon if they are unsure if they can break the horns (such as in a random SOS)

That being said, water/thunder are usually still better in this case, but that's often where this mentality comes from, it looks like the safe option, and honestly, as long as the team is good, it's not a bad option, Alatreon spends a decent amount of time in dragon form. And if you miss the horn break, your still in the fight.

I've SOS'd in groups before where everyone is running ice or fire, then we miss the horn break, and its pretty much game over xD

I even had an SOS where one guy was running fire, and another was running ice, we actually succeeded, so you know, sub-optimal can win sometimes :D

(I was running alatreon dominator, which helped, as I can switch elements, but since only 20% of your element actually applies, CB is much better for carry, as it gets 100% of it's element applied, and with Savage axe, that escaton threshold is a joke :D)


And look at the bright side, if they are running dragon, at least it isn't lightbreak, I saw that a LOT