My thoughts of Frostfang Barioth

[プリンツ・オイゲン]

It shows us the difference between people who play monster hunter and those who play is competitive

So far from steam a lot of people are complaining Barioth is disappointing or easy. Here's the problem FF Barioth does not need to be harder. Heck why would FF Barioth be harder than Alatreon if we are going of that mindset.

We as players need to remember, the game designers are now here to design the hardest and most challenging game possible they are here to make monster hunter fun and FF Barioth does do that.

FF Barioth is essentially the chill pill for Alatreon or Event Mad spamming. Look at the equipment for FF Barioth it doesn't require anything massively rare and its actually pretty decent.

Another complaint im getting is that the armor sucks, why though? Because its not the meta?

Again it falls into the category of making monster hunter fun not meta. 1 Set that grants you Punishing draw. Now look:

- Crit Draw GS now has a stun boost (lets face it not all of velkhana's armor is that great)
- Armor is pretty decent in deco slots too. to customize to your liking aka OPTIONS

tldr;

Monster Hunter Fun, not speed run

[CourtesyFlush09]

It's not even fun though? It's just a low-effort "attempt" from Capcom to artificially bloat the roster imho.

I mean, literally none of its animations are even new iirc. Regular Barioth uses them all, too. At least Raging Brach and Furious Raj brought new stuff to the table.

There is nothing special or memorable about this monster.

[JPM岩]

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It's not even fun though? It's just a low-effort "attempt" from Capcom to artificially bloat the roster imho.

I mean, literally none of its animations are even new iirc. Regular Barioth uses them all, too. At least Raging Brach and Furious Raj brought new stuff to the table.

There is nothing special or memorable about this monster.

Raging literally brought zero new animations to the table, it reused all of brachy's animations, even the final arena one (it's from Frontier!). Even Furious reused animations. You seem to be new to monster hunter to expect variants to be some sort of insane thing.

[The High Seraph]

Yup kinda agree with ya , after alatreon he is just super chill and cool for me , normal Barioth with some Velkhana like ice moves and Sub Zero mechanics is enough to satisfy me . Armor pieces are also not that bad . Only thing I hope is that they add these sub zero freezing mechanics to Arch Tempered Velkhana .

[JPM岩]

Publicado originalmente por The High Seraph:

Yup kinda agree with ya , after alatreon he is just super chill and cool for me , normal Barioth with some Velkhana like ice moves and Sub Zero mechanics is enough to satisfy me . Armor pieces are also not that bad . Only thing I hope is that they add these sub zero freezing mechanics to Arch Tempered Velkhana .

Sub Zero from Frontier on Toa was great. Could freeze your hunter solid. Combo that with the icicles, MMPH.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Publicado originalmente por JPM岩:

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

It's not even fun though? It's just a low-effort "attempt" from Capcom to artificially bloat the roster imho.

I mean, literally none of its animations are even new iirc. Regular Barioth uses them all, too. At least Raging Brach and Furious Raj brought new stuff to the table.

There is nothing special or memorable about this monster.

Raging literally brought zero new animations to the table, it reused all of brachy's animations, even the final arena one (it's from Frontier!). Even Furious reused animations. You seem to be new to monster hunter to expect variants to be some sort of insane thing.

That badass final ground pound animation is unlike anything else in MHW. Regular Brachy can't do it because he's the normal version. I'm not talking about previous games; I'm talking about MHW

You need new glasses, mate. Those rose-tinted ones aren't working for you.

[The High Seraph]

Publicado originalmente por JPM岩:

Publicado originalmente por The High Seraph:

Yup kinda agree with ya , after alatreon he is just super chill and cool for me , normal Barioth with some Velkhana like ice moves and Sub Zero mechanics is enough to satisfy me . Armor pieces are also not that bad . Only thing I hope is that they add these sub zero freezing mechanics to Arch Tempered Velkhana .

Sub Zero from Frontier on Toa was great. Could freeze your hunter solid. Combo that with the icicles, MMPH.

I haven’t played Frontier so that’s my first time encountering sub zero mechanics , combine with unique AI of Frost Fang that can combo slam twice to frozen targets , I am actually impressed .

[Cerberus]

I enjoyed this variant addition, and I found it pretty entertaining. I thought the armour and weapons are pretty cool. I'm actually disappointed at the players that were disappointed with it lol.

[General Jelly Jiggler]

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

Publicado originalmente por JPM岩:

Raging literally brought zero new animations to the table, it reused all of brachy's animations, even the final arena one (it's from Frontier!). Even Furious reused animations. You seem to be new to monster hunter to expect variants to be some sort of insane thing.

That badass final ground pound animation is unlike anything else in MHW. Regular Brachy can't do it because he's the normal version. I'm not talking about previous games; I'm talking about MHW

You need new glasses, mate. Those rose-tinted ones aren't working for you.

I definitely saw it have different animations in the fight so idk what you're on about. Not every update is gonna suit everyones wants and needs but jesus man you needa chill with the hate parade.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Publicado originalmente por General Jelly Jiggler:

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

That badass final ground pound animation is unlike anything else in MHW. Regular Brachy can't do it because he's the normal version. I'm not talking about previous games; I'm talking about MHW

You need new glasses, mate. Those rose-tinted ones aren't working for you.

I definitely saw it have different animations in the fight so idk what you're on about. Not every update is gonna suit everyones wants and needs but jesus man you needa chill with the hate parade.

Really? Which of FF's animations are new?

And naah. I have the right to complain about a product I paid for. No hate here; only criticism.

[KwAN🚸]

I think the problem with Frostfang is that it was given too much expectation, both from the players and the devs. End-game players will compare FF Barioth to Alatreon, but they are two different tiers monster. The Devs also said in the dev diary that FF Barioth is going to be a challenging fight, but not true for end-game players.

After all Frostfang set is only R11. If you consider it is around the same tier as Brute Tigrex, Stygian Zinogre, Rajang, etc, the fight is not that bad. But could it be more challenging and exciting fight? Definitely. Frostfang is set as a variant monster, not a subspecies. It should be a really tempered Barioth and desire a similar, maybe not as intense, buff as Furious Rajang and Raging Brachydios.

The current quest would be good fight for a regular FF Barioth so we could hope for a more challenging tempered battle in the future. Given the current tempered FF Barioth is the best it could be is a bit disappointing.

[General Jelly Jiggler]

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

Publicado originalmente por General Jelly Jiggler:

I definitely saw it have different animations in the fight so idk what you're on about. Not every update is gonna suit everyones wants and needs but jesus man you needa chill with the hate parade.

Really? Which of FF's animations are new?

And naah. I have the right to complain about a product I paid for. No hate here; only criticism.

Multiple of it's attacks are not ones used by regular Barioth, how you missed that I have no idea.

And yes, you can complain, but your complaints have started becoming INCREDIBLY nitpicky. It's a secondary monster addition for the FREE title update. You didn't pay for FF, you paid for iceborne and I can guarantee you've gotten your moneys worth by now so extra side content doesn't warrant this much of a freak out.

Fair criticism is fine, but theres a difference between fair criticism and nitpicking. And from observing other posts, you're very clearly nitpicking nearly ever aspect of the fight at this point. The fight is not required to be ball bustingly hard, and if it's not it's clearly geared towards other players. Not every set of new gear is going to be a shake up to the meta, if that were the case more people who whine about power creep again.

Then there's your attempt to spin it as if they just reused Legiana's helmet for the Beta male helmet in other forum posts. That's a major nitpick, and honestly I don't see what you're talking the only similarity they really have are two spikes on them, and they're not even in similar positions. If anything the Frostfang Beta helmet is more close to the Barioth Beta helmet.

You're free to criticize all you like, but that doesn't stop your criticisms from coming off as overly nitpicking to most people.

[Cardes]

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

Publicado originalmente por General Jelly Jiggler:

I definitely saw it have different animations in the fight so idk what you're on about. Not every update is gonna suit everyones wants and needs but jesus man you needa chill with the hate parade.

Really? Which of FF's animations are new?

And naah. I have the right to complain about a product I paid for. No hate here; only criticism.

The right to complain about what? This FF barioth is FREE, in case you missed it, you only have the right to complain about ICEBORNE itself, not the FREE content you are getting. Right now you are coming off as self-entitled for having "the right to complain" on a free content

[CourtesyFlush09]

Publicado originalmente por General Jelly Jiggler:

Publicado originalmente por CourtesyFlush90:

Really? Which of FF's animations are new?

And naah. I have the right to complain about a product I paid for. No hate here; only criticism.

Multiple of it's attacks are not ones used by regular Barioth, how you missed that I have no idea.

And yes, you can complain, but your complaints have started becoming INCREDIBLY nitpicky. It's a secondary monster addition for the FREE title update. You didn't pay for FF, you paid for iceborne and I can guarantee you've gotten your moneys worth by now so extra side content doesn't warrant this much of a freak out.

Fair criticism is fine, but theres a difference between fair criticism and nitpicking. And from observing other posts, you're very clearly nitpicking nearly ever aspect of the fight at this point. The fight is not required to be ball bustingly hard, and if it's not it's clearly geared towards other players. Not every set of new gear is going to be a shake up to the meta, if that were the case more people who whine about power creep again.

Then there's your attempt to spin it as if they just reused Legiana's helmet for the Beta male helmet in other forum posts. That's a major nitpick, and honestly I don't see what you're talking the only similarity they really have are two spikes on them, and they're not even in similar positions. If anything the Frostfang Beta helmet is more close to the Barioth Beta helmet.

You're free to criticize all you like, but that doesn't stop your criticisms from coming off as overly nitpicking to most people.

That's your opinion, and you're absolutely entitled to it. That's how discussions work.

But I'm free to be as INCREDIBLY "nitpicky" as I want in regards to a game I paid for. Just because FF is free doesn't mean it's free from criticisms (including what you perceive to be as nitpicks). I can guarantee you that if i wrote my "nitpicks" more eloquently and with less derision, you would have passed them off as simple criticisms.

But you're free to ignore my nitpicks if you're that bothered by them. Not trying to be rude here, but that's always an option. In fact, I do that here everyday.

And idk how you don't see the similarities between the FF/Legiana male helmets. That's mind-boggling.

Oh and I never said the fight should have been ball-bustingly hard, or that FF's gear should have shaken up the meta. Not a big fan of people putting words in my mouth tbh, but I'll let this one slide.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Publicado originalmente por Cardes:

]This FF barioth is FREE, in case you missed it, you only have the right to complain about ICEBORNE itself, not the FREE content you are getting.

That's....that's not how it works.

[Ortaign]

I'm someone who's always up for challenge, but I don't think something needs to be really difficult to be good. Frostfang Barioth is a rare-species that really does Barioth justice, he's actually now an interesting fight, they did a good job at giving his kit a much needed extension.

Also a side note; His breath animation is really cool looking, It's probably the best breath animation in the game.