Agitator 7, Do ya really need it?

[The Aided]

Now, hear me out, i have logged a fair amout of time into this game, created many builds and this is for those who think Agitator 7 is the end all be all of all builds.

it's not a huge amount of dmg that you get out of it, +8 attack and 10 Crit,

i figured if ya want 10 Extra crit, ya have Decos, 8+ Attack? Really, i think you can live without it, instead open that free deco and gear space for utility or more offence.

[The Aided]

To make it clear, that is the difference between Agi 5 and Agi 7

[Rectangle]

I dont use agitator in my builds at all. Depends on preferences i guess. Some people like all-out glass canon builds. Some like ultra-def builds to breeze throgh hunts. I better like having Divine Protection 5 with 2 gold rath pieces than having agitator. Yes i kill monsters a few minutes longer, but i dont care.
There are elitist who take things to extreme and look down on people like me, but thats just funny to me.

[JPM岩]

You dont need it, but it's recommended because the monster will be enraged like 90% of the time, especially with the clutch claw.

[Seamus]

I'd be more concerned about the loss of the crit than the loss of 8 raw, tbh. Especially when I already tend to run crit eye 7 on most sets. Makes it a bit harder to recover that 10%.

[Mister Cramps]

Tbh, you don't even need Agitator, lately I've been playing without it and I really don't notice any difference besides the 5-8 min added. Even I've been playing with negative affinity and can't notice any big difference tbh. So yea, maybe with the claw thingy you can take more advantage but it's not a big deal after all.

[Papah]

Agitator 7 = Peak Performance 3 + Attack Boost 3 + Critical Eye 4 (+28 attack, +20% affinity).
That's quite a lot, imo.

My personal thought:

You can enrage monster easier now, so having agitator is better than attack boost (plus, attack boost got diminishing return). Also, you want to force the monster to enrage asap and as long as possible. Bcs, enraged monster take more damage, even without agitator.

Agitator has better consistency than WEX, unless you could hit weakness + tenderize 100% all the time. Which I couldn't.

But still, it's depend on your overall build. You may want to use agitator, or you can ignore all of it, it's all depend on your overall build.

[プリンツ・オイゲン]

Originally posted by Aided the Hunter:

Now, hear me out, i have logged a fair amout of time into this game, created many builds and this is for those who think Agitator 7 is the end all be all of all builds.

it's not a huge amount of dmg that you get out of it, +8 attack and 10 Crit,

i figured if ya want 10 Extra crit, ya have Decos, 8+ Attack? Really, i think you can live without it, instead open that free deco and gear space for utility or more offence.

If you have 100% affinity first

[The Aided]

Originally posted by Waifu:

Originally posted by Aided the Hunter:

Now, hear me out, i have logged a fair amout of time into this game, created many builds and this is for those who think Agitator 7 is the end all be all of all builds.

it's not a huge amount of dmg that you get out of it, +8 attack and 10 Crit,

i figured if ya want 10 Extra crit, ya have Decos, 8+ Attack? Really, i think you can live without it, instead open that free deco and gear space for utility or more offence.

If you have 100% affinity first

It's my fault for not being clear enough, I'm not saying ya have to ignore Agi wholesale, ya can get Agi 5 and work from there with EX. WeakEx

[プリンツ・オイゲン]

Originally posted by Aided the Hunter:

Originally posted by Waifu:

If you have 100% affinity first

It's my fault for not being clear enough, I'm not saying ya have to ignore Agi wholesale, ya can get Agi 5 and work from there with EX. WeakEx

Agi is good depending on the monster really.

[dyne2alex]

Agi 7 adds 10% crit for just 2 more lvls compared to 5. And imo it's more about brachy armor have amazing slots and agitator 7 just happens to be available. Who'd turn down free 28 attack and 20% crit since iceborne encourages 100% enrage anyways bcuz of wallbangs and tenderizes. Brach legs + arms or chest + charm is 2 WEX, tons of t4 deco slots, and 7 agitator. Pretty cost efficient.

[mewlynx]

Agi 7 gives affinity and the skills on the armor set are already great with good slots. If you can afford to work it into your build, it's never a bad choice.

[Washing Machine]

Well it also helps that Raging Brachy set is amazing with multiple size4 deco slots.

[Faust Wither]

you can easly get agitator 7 than attack 7, mostly agitator now is a given.

almost all my build using it, here are some of it

Switch Axe Safi Master Touch
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2184595625
SA Alatreon The Evening Star & Dawn of Death Star with Party
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2184603183
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2184595981
GS Partbreaker and Full Attack
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2184596267
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2184596096
LBG Stun + Support
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2184596459
HH Full Support
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2184596579

[~KeNnEtH~]

Originally posted by Aided the Hunter:

It's my fault for not being clear enough, I'm not saying ya have to ignore Agi wholesale, ya can get Agi 5 and work from there with EX. WeakEx

It's more of guaranteed vs non-guaranteed crit chance.

On paper, we are always going to hit weak spots and always going to tenderise the monster parts every 90 secs.

In reality, this doesn't always happen especially the latter point. We (or at least majority of us) are not always going to hit weak spots and are not always going to be tenderising every 90 secs.

Agitator, on the other hand, is pretty much guaranteed because all it takes is 3 clutch claw attacks to the head and a tenderise, which can all be done easily as long as you manage to clutch to the head, or 1 or 2 wall slams, and the monster is enraged. The enraged status is also really long.

This is the same reason why people go for Critical Eye 7. It is guaranteed compared to conditional.

At the same time, our weapons deal a lot of damage so criticals are going to do a lot more damage than the nominal flat boost damage that skills like Attack Boost does and compared to our weapon base damage, it is just not worth as much as in the past.

[Sacred Heart]

Originally posted by RulerOfAll:

Originally posted by Aided the Hunter:

Now, hear me out, i have logged a fair amout of time into this game, created many builds and this is for those who think Agitator 7 is the end all be all of all builds.

it's not a huge amount of dmg that you get out of it, +8 attack and 10 Crit,

i figured if ya want 10 Extra crit, ya have Decos, 8+ Attack? Really, i think you can live without it, instead open that free deco and gear space for utility or more offence.

Why would you live without Agitator 7, when it's basically free with the right armor set? Teostra 3pc + Raging Brachy 2pc gives Agitator 7 and Master's touch. For raw/melee that's the meta for most weapons.

Not needed for the vast majority, no one cares about meta heads and what they use. i can't remember the last time i even bothered with MT since it's not needed anymore. but 2 piece brach +whatever your choice in armor can still easily cap agitator, depending on your decos.

as for the topic, its easy to get it 7 with brachy's set, so why not. monsters are enraged nearly all the time so it's pretty much a free boost most of the time.