The loss of rewarding player Skill explained with Alatreon

[Cancelled]

I'll be frank here, I feel a lot of people have come full circle into what I feel is stockholm syndrome with Iceborne and frankly Alatreon. I put this out there I have not beaten Alatreon and have no plans to anymore, I don't want to waste way to much time being gate kept out from the major hunts just because I'm MR like 70-ish or something. I've beaten every other monster no aguments no health upgrade no ♥♥♥♥♥ mantle aka Temporal Mantle solo multiple times after a bit of struggiling. Besides.... Ancient Leshen, Extremoth, Kulve MR version. I quite franly don't care about team raid fights, not fun to me. Such as fighting raging brachy with meh armour no temporal no aguments, fun fight hard fight. Moving on~

Alatreon is everything right and wrong with the community, As fun as MHW and Iceborne it self is the design of everything is no longer... fun.

Heres what I mean.

Alatreon. MR 24~
You can actually beat it after just beating the game... You can use Shara, Teo, Velkhana farm a bunch of armour sphere Zenny. Gring until you get certian Gems like Frost+ Fire+ velkhana divinty or even Silverlos to push to the edge. You'll be somewhere around... maybe MR50-70ish not 100. There are the newbies who will think its going to be easy but they just beat Shara ishvalda a not so easy fight.

The DPS elemental check. Its frankly bad, really bad.

MHW is conflicted with it self. IT has mechanics to punish you for not meeting the DPS check of killing or Capping the monster which is the timer. Your punished hard for not learning the game which is carting.

Alatreon is anti everything about the game, because you can play like a god and not get hit which I've done and then cart not on your own valitation but becasue the weapons you chose were wrong. Try again later. Thats not a fun mechanic its anti fun and breeds resentment in people who will turn off eventually and be more weary to play higher ranked fights.

You can say get gud by I'll rasie you this as a counter. Go fight alatreon with ICeborne weapons not post launch stuff Flat iceborne weapons NO mr Kulve, No Safi, ♥♥♥♥ like barioth, and mud fish. If you can I'll respect your skill as a hunter fully or try and beat it with out Temporal or all these super good abiiies.

MHW and Iceborne as taken away the power of skill on the player and put it on the actual Skills themself. You need XYZ skills to be meta and even think of competing against the higher tiered monsters and quite frankly thats not the right move to make. If I can beat the last boss monster Shara almost naked with Any weapon type at least rarity 10 or 11 no skill why can't I for the end game fights as well?

You personally are not rewareded in my opinion when you start fighting safi, Alatreon and Kulve. You can play kinda like trash and beat him if you got the skills to kill him. This isn't a monster from Monster hunter anymore but a raid boss pulled from a MMO and I won't be around for that ride.

Edit:

Okay I do go in prepared, I orginally used a Dragon IG from Safi found it to be useless and then made trhe switch to Barioth IG. Max pots, Ancient pot, Mega porion, Potion, honey. All the fun stuff.

The gate keeping part was more on the other hunters judging me by my MR and not base skill but whatever for that part. I could've worded that better.

Set is Three piece Safi two piece Velkana because I don't want to wast a lot of time mindlessly grinding for silverlos.

Decos. Three Frost+
two Expert +
Max Health boost
Blight resist 3

I've already uninstalled the game, its not fun anymore. To much work for not enough payoff for the end game. Hope everyon else has fun and grinds how they want and play how they want. Stay safe Happy Hunting. Gotta stay postive somehow

[Squidvasion]

Originally posted by Cancelled:

Alatreon is anti everything about the game, because you can play like a god and not get hit which I've done and then cart not on your own valitation but becasue the weapons you chose were wrong. Try again later. Thats not a fun mechanic its anti fun and breeds resentment in people who will turn off eventually and be more weary to play higher ranked fights.

But the very fact you didn't choose the right weapon is why you carted, thus putting the onus of failure squarely on your shoulders. This was entirely your choice completely, which invalidates everything you said about dying not of your own volition. How is this any different than "having the required skill to defeat him, yet still failing to the nova", when knowledge of a fight and preparation of said fight is an aspect of the skill you are toting here.

[Ember]

I've seen some people beat alatreon solo with "Iceborne weapons not post launch" , which means you definitely won't need kt/safi weapons to beat him, you should give it a try with them when you chill out a bit.

[Waffles]

Originally posted by Squidvasion:

Originally posted by Cancelled:

Alatreon is anti everything about the game, because you can play like a god and not get hit which I've done and then cart not on your own valitation but becasue the weapons you chose were wrong. Try again later. Thats not a fun mechanic its anti fun and breeds resentment in people who will turn off eventually and be more weary to play higher ranked fights.

But the very fact you didn't choose the right weapon is why you carted, thus putting the onus of failure squarely on your shoulders. This was entirely your choice completely, which invalidates everything you said about dying not of your own volition. How is this any different than "having the required skill to defeat him, yet still failing to the nova", when knowledge of a fight and preparation of said fight is an aspect of the skill you are toting here.

A M E N

[Ember]

Not to mention you can even kill him with a generic MT's set using a elemental GS ( which is probably one of the worst matchups against Alatreon)

Source: https://twitter.com/MH_Canta/status/1281997162788917248/photo/1

[月]

Alatreon is end game monster, you don't need it.

[Cancelled]

I've used Dragon elemental IG and Ice IG glaive went full meta on it and stopped his Judgement. That still doesn't make it fun.

three frost+ decos. Two expert plus decos. Two piece velkhana, three piece safi. and max blight resist.

[Cancelled]

Originally posted by Squidvasion:

Originally posted by Cancelled:

Alatreon is anti everything about the game, because you can play like a god and not get hit which I've done and then cart not on your own valitation but becasue the weapons you chose were wrong. Try again later. Thats not a fun mechanic its anti fun and breeds resentment in people who will turn off eventually and be more weary to play higher ranked fights.

But the very fact you didn't choose the right weapon is why you carted, thus putting the onus of failure squarely on your shoulders. This was entirely your choice completely, which invalidates everything you said about dying not of your own volition. How is this any different than "having the required skill to defeat him, yet still failing to the nova", when knowledge of a fight and preparation of said fight is an aspect of the skill you are toting here.

Your right I did go in wrong and I changed stradigies to full ice instead of dragon. I should've put my builds in there that was my mistake, but that doesn't really negate the issue at hand of you can still fail to meet the cap if you don't have the right weapons for it in general or the right decos or armour ETC.

[Waffles]

Originally posted by Cancelled:

Originally posted by Squidvasion:

But the very fact you didn't choose the right weapon is why you carted, thus putting the onus of failure squarely on your shoulders. This was entirely your choice completely, which invalidates everything you said about dying not of your own volition. How is this any different than "having the required skill to defeat him, yet still failing to the nova", when knowledge of a fight and preparation of said fight is an aspect of the skill you are toting here.

Your right I did go in wrong and I changed stradigies to full ice instead of dragon. I should've put my builds in there that was my mistake, but that doesn't really negate the issue at hand of you can still fail to meet the cap if you don't have the right weapons for it in general or the right decos or armour ETC.

Buddy, that's called preparation.

Every decent hunter prepares for their hunt.

If you don't prepare, you will not win. It's that simple.

[Holografix]

Wow, Alatreon is gatekeeping you from enjoying the game?!

LMAO.

[blackfrog]

I soloed it with a high defense set, no high offense skills or anything geared towards elemental damage.

While I think Escaton judgement could be tweaked a bit, the fight is still very doable.
As soon as I got the materials I made the Alatreon LBG and, while still using my defense set, it became a cakewalk.

Don't get demoralized because you didn't meet the DPS check or because it seems only the Meta set can win against it, study the monster and adapt to it.

Light Bowguns seal it very fast

[Sin]

I think where capcom went wrong was not balancing the elemental damage modifiers before this fight was added.

If someone can give a logical explanation why weapon types have different elemental modifiers I'd love to hear it.

[Kaldor Draigo]

Originally posted by Fun:

Not to mention you can even kill him with a generic MT's set using a elemental GS ( which is probably one of the worst matchups against Alatreon)

Source: https://twitter.com/MH_Canta/status/1281997162788917248/photo/1

This lmao. If "skill" is what matters to OP, this proves that skill is enough with just a decent-ish set.

[mewlynx]

Originally posted by Kaldor Draigo:

Originally posted by Fun:

Not to mention you can even kill him with a generic MT's set using a elemental GS ( which is probably one of the worst matchups against Alatreon)

Source: https://twitter.com/MH_Canta/status/1281997162788917248/photo/1

This lmao. If "skill" is what matters to OP, this proves that skill is enough with just a decent-ish set.

Pretty sure OP meant player choice when they said skill, but considering most players just default to the same set for all content, forcing variety like this isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[Schädel & Krone]

I'm tired and bored of these "you're a noob, get prepared, it's sooo easy" -elite players.
Capcom forced me to play in a special style. Before Ala you can get EVERY monster with the weapon(or playing style+prepared for resis) you prefered . now, you have play the pro-gamer-meta-elite-style, that's not the spirit of monster hunter.

[Cancelled]

Originally posted by Kaldor Draigo:

Originally posted by Fun:

Not to mention you can even kill him with a generic MT's set using a elemental GS ( which is probably one of the worst matchups against Alatreon)

Source: https://twitter.com/MH_Canta/status/1281997162788917248/photo/1

This lmao. If "skill" is what matters to OP, this proves that skill is enough with just a decent-ish set.

lmao thats not decent at all thats so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ endgame XD you proved my point further. MAx crit eye and max Ice atack with a greatswoird. With Temportal mantle and Evasion mantle. Yeah nice try....Sorry he still needed a lot of ice on it to work he couldn't do it with out that ice charm. plus all of thise extra skill like you know crit boost, crit exploit. Yup toatly.... skill -_-