Alatreon - Playstyle Test n Tips (GS, GL, SnS)

[Court Jester]

Fashion hunter here :)

It's been 3 days and I've finally had enough to see most of you disrespect my Lord Alatreon like this. Some of you complain about the elemental check, while others about the armor.
Like seriously tho, why bother hunting him if all you do is complain. If he's strong enough for you, then maybe take a different approach, or get more experience by hunting other monsters.
But let's put that aside, I'm gonna provide you some more information n tips for Alatreon hunt.

First thing first, MR24 requirement is nonsense.
This is argueably the hardest endgame hunt in Iceborne. Best to challenge him once you upgraded your gear to the best, and get all of the necessary decos for your build. Or.. Simply Git Gud, which is just having more experience in the game.

For those who keep complaining that Greatsword, Gunlance and any other weapon are unusable in Alatreon hunt, maybe try to discard your current build and try something new. I'm gonna show you a few of my tests.
Notes : My builds are underdog-kinda things. It's nowhere near META

Greatsword - Frostcraft build (could work on hammer and other heavy weapon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhAdMhIhL88&t=2s
Greatsword can't fight him? Bollocks mate, respectfully bollocks. It's quiet a enjoyable experience if you use Critdraw build. Frostcraft or maybe TCE could get you past the elemental check just fine. All you have to do is to have your base weapon to be elemental.Though, in Greatsword case, it's better to take fire or ice depending on the quest for the 3 star weakness. You can still make your builds towards Raw attack, but it just need some elemental damage good enough to weaken the escaton. Even if you didnt manage to get 1 round, you still have other chance with the carts (eat insurance, safeguard, or bring Vigorwasp). Other than that, just practice your timing to aim the head. But if you're too prideful to use elemental weapon because of the META build that you have, well just try sos and hope for the best. Until then, may you be burning in hell with your sets. Or just don't play at all, either way I'm happy :)

Gunlance - Elemental build (could work on SA, HH, etc with evading style)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7nIIyyJx24&t=513s
Quick note : most of my carts are due to 800 defense and elemental resist, let's just look at the playstyle for this one.
Gunlance without shelling, fellas. It's quiet good tho, you might understand it if you try it yourself. Gunlance has more mobility compared to lance (aside from dashing). Evade extender is very recommended for hunting agile monster. For Alatreon, your melee damage will do more damage than your shell, so invest some build into that. Elemental Gunlance is very good, good enough to weaken the escaton before he even shift his element. I could be the minority for liking evade-gunlance, but it works well againts Alatreon. But if you don't like that playstyle, well then maybe try something new. One thing I know is that wyrmstake blast is almost useless since alatreon rarely stays in one place. At the end, you will still need to adjust your playstyle.
I fked up a lot in the video, but my overall damage is doing just fine, and I even beat him in the end.

Finally, regarding Alatreon Armor. (Casual Hunt)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dmQVBqw7OM
Not enough offensive skill you said? If you depend heavily on your damage, then you're gonna have a hard time keeping up with the future updates. Alatreon armor have good enough dps to cover, but extremely comfortable to use againts elemental monsters. Besides, master's touch or agitator secret is not necessary to have a good offensive build. In my whole 2700hrs+ experience in this game, affinity 50%+ is good enough to have a normal hunt. The more offensive skill you put will make the hunt goes faster, but not againts strong monster. If you can't even do a proper hunting, then why bother using meta build. Especially for Alatreon and future Arch-Tempered, you need to consider putting more utility skills. Health boost, blight res, quick sheath(for heavy weapon), evade extender (for SA, HH, GL etc) so that you dont need to sheath your weapon, and any other skills should be considered. And with Escadora set, All you need to do is to eat Elemental resist L food to get a natural blight res (elemental resist 20 or more means blight immunity), and your elemental goes up to 50-60 which is a win win solution.
Calling this armor "Trash" is nonsense. It may not be the best damage dealer, but hey... Dead hunters deal no damage, arent they?

Now y'all. It's not even that hard to get that elemental check. Don't be so selfish and just use elemental weapon. If you play online though, it's usually safe if 2-3 hunters use elemental. But, keep complaining about things will do you no good. You don't even need to change your build drastically, just some adjustment will do just fine. as for the playstyle... "Not every style is playable in this hunt, so its not fun" ... well yes, but no. I would be entertained if you could beat Rajang with the same playstyle for hunting heavy monsters, such as Deviljho. You need to change the style of your hunt. Not every monster works the same way! Some may need more heavy hitting, but some are just too fast for your combo.
In the end, that is Monster Hunter. If you have trouble keeping up with this, this may not be the game for you. I played MH since the first game, and always learning something new whenever new monster appeared. Even then, I always play with FULL SETS ARMOR (my code of hunting) and yet I still managed to get mostly everything with that. It's all about learning and practicing. Now instead of complaining, you should try Alatreon with a new approach and learn from the start. Because by far, I'm very enjoyed that a strong monster finally appeared, and not get fked by a mere sticky. It's been a pleasant and fun hunt so far. AND admit it, most of you died from his regular attack rather than the escaton, didnt ya?

I'm not saying to stop using the META builds (since im a fashion hunter and all) but you should know some manners of hunting. Every weapon is viable to use againts every strong monster, such as the black dragon itself. Some people do really well with META sets, but because they really are good hunters. Learn from things fellas, learn! MH is super fun if you managed to know whats going on. Then again, I can't really make you play the way I do, but one thing I know for sure is that you have to be a better hunter. To put it simple-

"GIT GUD"

:)

#fashionhuntersassemble

Notes : I use 3 characters for the game. 1st (Main - MR770+) is dedicated for SnS, 2nd one (MR500+) is for melee weapon except sns, 3rd one (MR130+) is Gunner which is still low ranking so Im not sure how to deal with Alatreon.

[Sukāretto Ohatsu]

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Fashion hunter here :)

It's been 3 days and I've finally had enough to see most of you disrespect my Lord Alatreon like this. Some of you complain about the elemental check, while others about the armor.
Like seriously tho, why bother hunting him if all you do is complain. If he's strong enough for you, then maybe take a different approach, or get more experience by hunting other monsters.
But let's put that aside, I'm gonna provide you some more information n tips for Alatreon hunt.

First thing first, MR24 requirement is nonsense.
This is argueably the hardest endgame hunt in Iceborne. Best to challenge him once you upgraded your gear to the best, and get all of the necessary decos for your build. Or.. Simply Git Gud, which is just having more experience in the game.

For those who keep complaining that Greatsword, Gunlance and any other weapon are unusable in Alatreon hunt, maybe try to discard your current build and try something new. I'm gonna show you a few of my tests.
Notes : My builds are underdog-kinda things. It's nowhere near META

Greatsword - Frostcraft build (could work on hammer and other heavy weapon)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhAdMhIhL88&t=2s
Greatsword can't fight him? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mate, respectfully ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. It's quiet a enjoyable experience if you use Critdraw build. Frostcraft or maybe TCE could get you past the elemental check just fine. All you have to do is to have your base weapon to be elemental.Though, in Greatsword case, it's better to take fire or ice depending on the quest for the 3 star weakness. You can still make your builds towards Raw attack, but it just need some elemental damage good enough to weaken the escaton. Even if you didnt manage to get 1 round, you still have other chance with the carts (eat insurance, safeguard, or bring Vigorwasp). Other than that, just practice your timing to aim the head. But if you're too prideful to use elemental weapon because of the META build that you have, well just try sos and hope for the best. Until then, may you be burning in hell with your sets. Or just don't play at all, either way I'm happy :)

Gunlance - Elemental build (could work on SA, HH, etc with evading style)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7nIIyyJx24&t=513s
Quick note : most of my carts are due to 800 defense and elemental resist, let's just look at the playstyle for this one.
Gunlance without shelling, fellas. It's quiet good tho, you might understand it if you try it yourself. Gunlance has more mobility compared to lance (aside from dashing). Evade extender is very recommended for hunting agile monster. For Alatreon, your melee damage will do more damage than your shell, so invest some build into that. Elemental Gunlance is very good, good enough to weaken the escaton before he even shift his element. I could be the minority for liking evade-gunlance, but it works well againts Alatreon. But if you don't like that playstyle, well then maybe try something new. One thing I know is that wyrmstake blast is almost useless since alatreon rarely stays in one place. At the end, you will still need to adjust your playstyle.
I fked up a lot in the video, but my overall damage is doing just fine, and I even beat him in the end.

Finally, regarding Alatreon Armor. (Casual Hunt)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dmQVBqw7OM
Not enough offensive skill you said? If you depend heavily on your damage, then you're gonna have a hard time keeping up with the future updates. Alatreon armor have good enough dps to cover, but extremely comfortable to use againts elemental monsters. Besides, master's touch or agitator secret is not necessary to have a good offensive build. In my whole 2700hrs+ experience in this game, affinity 50%+ is good enough to have a normal hunt. The more offensive skill you put will make the hunt goes faster, but not againts strong monster. If you can't even do a proper hunting, then why bother using meta build. Especially for Alatreon and future Arch-Tempered, you need to consider putting more utility skills. Health boost, blight res, quick sheath(for heavy weapon), evade extender (for SA, HH, GL etc) so that you dont need to sheath your weapon, and any other skills should be considered. And with Escadora set, All you need to do is to eat Elemental resist L food to get a natural blight res (elemental resist 20 or more means blight immunity), and your elemental goes up to 50-60 which is a win win solution.
Calling this armor "Trash" is nonsense. It may not be the best damage dealer, but hey... Dead hunters deal no damage, arent they?

Now y'all. It's not even that hard to get that elemental check. Don't be so selfish and just use elemental weapon. If you play online though, it's usually safe if 2-3 hunters use elemental. But, keep complaining about things will do you no good. You don't even need to change your build drastically, just some adjustment will do just fine. as for the playstyle... "Not every style is playable in this hunt, so its not fun" ... well yes, but no. I would be entertained if you could beat Rajang with the same playstyle for hunting heavy monsters, such as Deviljho. You need to change the style of your hunt. Not every monster works the same way! Some may need more heavy hitting, but some are just too fast for your combo.
In the end, that is Monster Hunter. If you have trouble keeping up with this, this may not be the game for you. I played MH since the first game, and always learning something new whenever new monster appeared. Even then, I always play with FULL SETS ARMOR (my code of hunting) and yet I still managed to get mostly everything with that. It's all about learning and practicing. Now instead of complaining, you should try Alatreon with a new approach and learn from the start. Because by far, I'm very enjoyed that a strong monster finally appeared, and not get fked by a mere sticky. It's been a pleasant and fun hunt so far. AND admit it, most of you died from his regular attack rather than the escaton, didnt ya?

I'm not saying to stop using the META builds (since im a fashion hunter and all) but you should know some manners of hunting. Every weapon is viable to use againts every strong monster, such as the black dragon itself. Some people do really well with META sets, but because they really are good hunters. Learn from things fellas, learn! MH is super fun if you managed to know whats going on. Then again, I can't really make you play the way I do, but one thing I know for sure is that you have to be a better hunter. To put it simple-

"GIT GUD"

:)

#fashionhuntersassemble

Notes : I use 3 characters for the game. 1st (Main - MR770+) is dedicated for SnS, 2nd one (MR500+) is for melee weapon except sns, 3rd one (MR130+) is Gunner which is still low ranking so Im not sure how to deal with Alatreon.

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[cruste]

it is only a loud minority as always in the forums which complained.
the majority simply killed the bastard and moved on, trying to find a new victim for the new dragon weapons while waiting for kulve to see how its lbg will perform against her

pls do some testing with mr24 gear only

[Dephase]

Problem with alatreon armor is its disappointing skill set. The armor itself has some good pieces (alpha arms, beta head, chest and coil) but I've been testing it for a while and looked for info about it. For every 15-20 elemental resistance increase you get barely 10 elemental damage. This means +50 if you get the 3 pieces set. If you max out all elem. resistances skill (which takes 5 lvl 4 slots), eat elem. res. L you get a +140-150 at best. Now it seems a lot but....it's the same you get with full safi set and requires a heavy investment in armor skills which leaves me without some necessary offensive skills like weakness exploit, crit boost, agitator etc. The best use i've found is 3 safi+2 alatreon for keeping resentment active altough it's still underperforming compared to full safi or 3 safi+2 raging brachydios (i'm talking about general hunts, not specifically vs alatreon).
If the bonus required a single piece (maybe the alatreon weapons) or the resistance---> damage conversion was higher (maybe +250 elemental damage with all resistances maxed out) it could've been interesting. But now, who would build for extreme element resistance only to get a decent elem. dmg bonus which i could obtain much more easily with augments, custom upgrades or elem. atk skills? For me the investment in skills to effectively use alatreon divinity is not repaid enough. And I'm not saying this as a damage fanatic, only as a disappointed player....

[RicePirate]

watching those vids are actually impressive compared to all the vids of people killing it with ranged weps and dual blades.

[Court Jester]

Aye, but the trick is that you don't have to put elemental resistance skill at all. With just the default beta set (Full set equiped), all you have to do is put Hard defense to make it into 6, which give +5 to all elemental resistance. By that time, your water n thunder resist should have 5 value, the rest are above 20. Only by then, Eat elemental resistance L food (+15) and you'll get all resistance to 20+ which is blight resistance, and your elemental value by 50 or so. Once you get into this state, you'll hardly get any cart (given if you heal properly), and your defense are up too.

All of that just for putting Hard defense into 1 lv4 slot, and sacrificing Attack up food for elemental resistance. This is very useful againts strong monster, especially future AT.

Now if we're talking about pure damage, the whole purpose of that is to make the hunt faster, while this one is for harder encounter (imagine AT Alatreon).

Nevertheless, I really think he deserve more attention rather than bashing, but at this point I can just say that for my own. Once we got more powerful monster, try to take this armor and see it for yourself.
In any case, it looks cool anyway, that's why im wearing it :)

[L:D]

I didn't had much time to do Alatreon yet, but watching your sns video, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ how strong sns is man. Meanwhile, IG needs to use the kinsect as damage source to deal with escaton judgment (i mean, probably not the meta, but Alatreon ig can't deal with him without kinsect damage.)

Also good post, it's rare to see something that can be useful here.

[Court Jester]

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I didn't had much time to do Alatreon yet, but watching your sns video, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ how strong sns is man. Meanwhile, IG needs to use the kinsect as damage source to deal with escaton judgment (i mean, probably not the meta, but Alatreon ig can't deal with him without kinsect damage.)

Also good post, it's rare to see something that can be useful here.

You could actually having fun with IG againts him.
I just beat him in a very fun way (with full set escadora though), and dont even have to worry about carting.
Since I have good teammates, I mostly go for tenderize and damaging the wings, and when he change element into dragon, I jump in helping the horn break.

[L:D]

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I didn't had much time to do Alatreon yet, but watching your sns video, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ how strong sns is man. Meanwhile, IG needs to use the kinsect as damage source to deal with escaton judgment (i mean, probably not the meta, but Alatreon ig can't deal with him without kinsect damage.)

Also good post, it's rare to see something that can be useful here.

You could actually having fun with IG againts him.
I just beat him in a very fun way (with full set escadora though), and dont even have to worry about carting.
Since I have good teammates, I mostly go for tenderize and damaging the wings, and when he change element into dragon, I jump in helping the horn break.

Yeah, i don't have much elemental weapons because i'm lazy so i just crafted Alatreon IG and soloed with it. It was actually fun, needing the kinsect damage to make it work is kinda weird tho but still fun.

The set is not bad, it's not good either, but it seems to work pretty nice. When you understand the fight is really rare to cart, so it doesn't matter much.

Damaging/breaking the wings changes anything?

[Court Jester]

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You could actually having fun with IG againts him.
I just beat him in a very fun way (with full set escadora though), and dont even have to worry about carting.
Since I have good teammates, I mostly go for tenderize and damaging the wings, and when he change element into dragon, I jump in helping the horn break.

Yeah, i don't have much elemental weapons because i'm lazy so i just crafted Alatreon IG and soloed with it. It was actually fun, needing the kinsect damage to make it work is kinda weird tho but still fun.

The set is not bad, it's not good either, but it seems to work pretty nice. When you understand the fight is really rare to cart, so it doesn't matter much.

Damaging/breaking the wings changes anything?

It doesnt, but I always aim to build up a mount just before he shift into dragon active. Besides, his wings are not that tough. Could use it to deal extra damage whenever he flies.

[Ortaign]

I feel like some people's problem with Alatreon's armor is the fact that It pretty much got nerfed compared to how It was in a couple of the previous games

[Court Jester]

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I feel like some people's problem with Alatreon's armor is the fact that It pretty much got nerfed compared to how It was in a couple of the previous games

It's not nerfed to the point of nonexistent. They always changed most of the skill for armors, but managed to get the theme right. Blight res is always been there so far, and in this occasion they changed it in the form of set bonus availability (20% to all resistance). Just eat Elem Res L Food.
In 3U he has FreeElement, no one's gonna bother debating that I bet, but in GU he has element and CritElement. This could be the one that most people want, but I could feel like they imagine him having something more powerful like TCE or something. This time he only has dragon attack, while the CritElement got replaced by Element Convertion (Almost on par with Safi'jiiva 3 set bonus), if you managed to take advantage of your elemental res.
End of the day, people just don't like defensive skill and thats the mentality problem of World's player. Though I wish he has 5 set bonus worthy enough for the Black Dragon title. Aside from that, his armor is quiet good, his weapon is absolute beast (less you don't fancy element).

[Ortaign]

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I feel like some people's problem with Alatreon's armor is the fact that It pretty much got nerfed compared to how It was in a couple of the previous games

It's not nerfed to the point of nonexistent. They always changed most of the skill for armors, but managed to get the theme right. Blight res is always been there so far, and in this occasion they changed it in the form of set bonus availability (20% to all resistance). Just eat Elem Res L Food.
In 3U he has FreeElement, no one's gonna bother debating that I bet, but in GU he has element and CritElement. This could be the one that most people want, but I could feel like they imagine him having something more powerful like TCE or something. This time he only has dragon attack, while the CritElement got replaced by Element Convertion (Almost on par with Safi'jiiva 3 set bonus), if you managed to take advantage of your elemental res.
End of the day, people just don't like defensive skill and thats the mentality problem of World's player. Though I wish he has 5 set bonus worthy enough for the Black Dragon title. Aside from that, his armor is quiet good, his weapon is absolute beast (less you don't fancy element).

I wish Alatreon's armor had a 3rd set bonus from having the full set and weapon equipped, like the weapon automatically changing It's element to whatever the monster you are currently hitting is weak to. Sure, It's no Crit Ele, but It would've fit Alatreon perfectly. It would be an ability for lazily grinding the guiding lands, his armor is already perfect for that and It'd be a nice reward for killing such a dangerous monster multiple times