Few questions regarding Alatreon Solo.

[kcuFdniM]

So I feel determined to solo it, but I for some reason made it past mr 100 without really getting any good elemental weapons. Ontop of that I have no clue about elemental builds and neither which weapon and armor parts to use in it.

So my questions:
1. What kind of weapon works good for solo Alatreon, which don't?
2. What Element to use when Soloing the initial quest? Ice or Dragon?
3. What kind of armor would you recommend?
3. Should I farm another set of Safi weapons and focus on element damage if I don't have any Kjarr, as they seem to be the most named when it comes to fighting it?

Yeah, that's about it.

[Saber]

1. I prefer water/thunder/dragon for stability. They work on all elemental forms and you don't have to worry about any stupid horns.

2. Any of the 3 elements from the previous answer.

3. Anything with True Crit Element, really.

(3?)4. If you want to solo, you'll want as much elemental damage as possible to weaken the Escaton Judgements. It would be a good idea to get a dedicated Kjarr weapon.

[Senpai]

1. Most weapons are viable for solo, but I think the ones that will have an easier time would be DB, CB, IG, SnS, HH, SA.
2. Dragon would be a safe choice, but if you're used to the moveset and can consistently head snipe, I'd go with ice.
3. Full Safi for elemental Kjarrs, Frostcraft for GS, True Crit Element for non-KT elemental weapons. Evasion 3-5 and Fortify helps too, but that's preference.
4. You want a Kjarr for elemental, but it's possible to get elemental breaks with base game elemental weapons too, as long as they have high enough element. If you're using something like GS or Hammer, you can eat a few carts and solo with a Lightbreak weapon. If you're using long shell GL, anything goes.

[kcuFdniM]

Originally posted by Gen:

1. I prefer water/thunder/dragon for stability. They work on all elemental forms and you don't have to worry about any stupid horns.

2. Any of the 3 elements from the previous answer.

3. Anything with True Crit Element, really.

(3?)4. If you want to solo, you'll want as much elemental damage as possible to weaken the Escaton Judgements. It would be a good idea to get a dedicated Kjarr weapon.

Yeah, not worrying about the horns is why I considered dragon, good to see I not focusing on ice and horns is viable. But I actually meant weapons itself, like LS or DB for example. I heared some work well with elemental builds others don't.

Gonna look for that and good elemental resistance I think. Tried it with ruiner armor and no extra elemental protection. Terrible Idea, lol. Pretty much most health gone with one hit, no matter what.

Yeah, messed that up. Wrote 4 before 3 and forgot to correct it lol. But to the actual point.
They are Kulve right? So I gotta wait for her siege or mr quest to return. At least I think I didn't saw the mr quest when I checked the eventquests. Could've overlooked it though.

Thanks for the fast response!

[Otaconnor]

1. What kind of weapon works good for solo Alatreon, which don't?

From my experience (I've tried with around half the weapons so far) Switch Axe, Charge Blade, SnS, Glaive, and Dual Blades work best. LBG is good too but you may need to intentionally die to restock ammo.

Bad matchups: Hammer and Gunlance.

Okay matchups: Frostcraft GS (haven't tested normal GS yet), Long Sword, Lance
For these weapons you may need a very strong elemental build to meet the DPS check.

2. What Element to use when Soloing the initial quest? Ice or Dragon?

For the initial quest? Ice. If you're confident.
The optimal strategy is to counter his starting element to deal maximum damage, and reset if you fail to break the horn when he's in dragon mode. If he switches elements to counter you, you die, guaranteed.
I assume you already know how the fight works, but in case you don't, he goes:

Fire > Dragon (mini nova) > Ice (super nova) > Dragon (mini nova) > Fire (super nova) > repeat

In dragon mode, you can break his horn to reverse the cycle, reverting him to the previous element, which is why you need to break his horn if you counter-pick with ice. You can only break the horn in dragon mode.

If you don't like that strategy, go with water or dragon. Water is second best against his fire mode, but he resists it kinda hard in his ice mode. Dragon is very weak in both fire and ice mode but is the strongest element when he's in dragon mode.

3. What kind of armor would you recommend?

Safi if you can handle it. If not, Nami will also give you element, but the Nami set isn't that great. Just make sure you get level 6 element attack up (whichever element you choose).
Otherwise just take the best gear you've got.
Note that he's very weak to physical damage so if you want the fight to end faster, you can try Agitator, attack boost, all that good stuff. Just make sure you have enough element to break the threshold.

3. Should I farm another set of Safi weapons and focus on element damage if I don't have any Kjarr, as they seem to be the most named when it comes to fighting it?

Honestly..... Probably. Again it depends on your weapon type (ones that deal strong elemental damage shouldn't need Safi) but it certainly doesn't hurt. Alatreon was clearly designed with fully upgraded postgame gear in mind so you will need the strongest gear you can possibly get.

By the way, Kulve comes back next week, and stays for 2 weeks.

[kcuFdniM]

Originally posted by Senpai:

1. Most weapons are viable for solo, but I think the ones that will have an easier time would be DB, CB, IG, SnS, HH, SA.
2. Dragon would be a safe choice, but if you're used to the moveset and can consistently head snipe, I'd go with ice.
3. Full Safi for elemental Kjarrs, Frostcraft for GS, True Crit Element for non-KT elemental weapons. Evasion 3-5 and Fortify helps too, but that's preference.
4. You want a Kjarr for elemental, but it's possible to get elemental breaks with base game elemental weapons too, as long as they have high enough element. If you're using something like GS or Hammer, you can eat a few carts and solo with a Lightbreak weapon. If you're using long shell GL, anything goes.

Oh SnS, HH and IG are good for elemental damage? Nice, movesets I'm very used to.

Dragon sounds good, I suck at hitting the head.

So True Crit Element seems to be a general recommendation. Evasion is in my build right now and Fortify, need to see if I can build that in.

I'm not really sure what is considered good damage numbers, especially for Alatreon. Could you give me some rough numbers for the 3 weapons I named above? That would massively help me to look for a weapon!

And thanks for response!

[Senpai]

Originally posted by kcuFdniM:

Gonna look for that and good elemental resistance I think. Tried it with ruiner armor and no extra elemental protection. Terrible Idea, lol. Pretty much most health gone with one hit, no matter what.

Elemental res isn't too important imo, as long as you don't have like over -10 res on something. Blight Res 2 or 3 is a must skill though, since it saves you time from sheathing and eating nullberries.

[kcuFdniM]

Originally posted by Otaconnor:

1. What kind of weapon works good for solo Alatreon, which don't?

From my experience (I've tried with around half the weapons so far) Switch Axe, Charge Blade, SnS, Glaive, and Dual Blades work best. LBG is good too but you may need to intentionally die to restock ammo.

Bad matchups: Hammer and Gunlance.

Okay matchups: Frostcraft GS (haven't tested normal GS yet), Long Sword, Lance
For these weapons you may need a very strong elemental build to meet the DPS check.

2. What Element to use when Soloing the initial quest? Ice or Dragon?

For the initial quest? Ice. If you're confident.
The optimal strategy is to counter his starting element to deal maximum damage, and reset if you fail to break the horn when he's in dragon mode. If he switches elements to counter you, you die, guaranteed.
I assume you already know how the fight works, but in case you don't, he goes:

Fire > Dragon (mini nova) > Ice (super nova) > Dragon (mini nova) > Fire (super nova) > repeat

In dragon mode, you can break his horn to reverse the cycle, reverting him to the previous element, which is why you need to break his horn if you counter-pick with ice. You can only break the horn in dragon mode.

If you don't like that strategy, go with water or dragon. Water is second best against his fire mode, but he resists it kinda hard in his ice mode. Dragon is very weak in both fire and ice mode but is the strongest element when he's in dragon mode.

3. What kind of armor would you recommend?

Safi if you can handle it. If not, Nami will also give you element, but the Nami set isn't that great. Just make sure you get level 6 element attack up (whichever element you choose).
Otherwise just take the best gear you've got.
Note that he's very weak to physical damage so if you want the fight to end faster, you can try Agitator, attack boost, all that good stuff. Just make sure you have enough element to break the threshold.

3. Should I farm another set of Safi weapons and focus on element damage if I don't have any Kjarr, as they seem to be the most named when it comes to fighting it?

Honestly..... Probably. Again it depends on your weapon type (ones that deal strong elemental damage shouldn't need Safi) but it certainly doesn't hurt. Alatreon was clearly designed with fully upgraded postgame gear in mind so you will need the strongest gear you can possibly get.

By the way, Kulve comes back next week, and stays for 2 weeks.

Well damn, that basically a guide. And nice of you to include a guide in case I didn't knew how the fight goes!
Most of what you said is basically a more detailed version of the others so I'm just gonna go into a thing that really stood out to me.
"Note that he's very weak to physical damage so if you want the fight to end faster, you can try Agitator, attack boost, all that good stuff. Just make sure you have enough element to break the threshold."
I didn't knew that at all. I have pretty good physical weapons, though the question is, what is enough element (dragon specifically) to get to the threshold? That way I could actually use my normal build slightly modified, which would spare me a lot of farming.

Gread response though! Should help out a few people looking in here!

[kcuFdniM]

Originally posted by Senpai:

Originally posted by kcuFdniM:

Gonna look for that and good elemental resistance I think. Tried it with ruiner armor and no extra elemental protection. Terrible Idea, lol. Pretty much most health gone with one hit, no matter what.

Elemental res isn't too important imo, as long as you don't have like over -10 res on something. Blight Res 2 or 3 is a must skill though, since it saves you time from sheathing and eating nullberries.

I had -15 in thunder and dragon, with only I think 5 in everything else. My healthbar was practially non existent.
Yeah that Blight Res is a really good point though!

[Zhou Yu]

The easiest way to test and see if you have enough element is to simply fight him. Simply observe when you knock him down with the element and keep a timer in the back of your mind until he does his nuke. Fighting with a 810 water damage kjarr lance left me with like 1:30 or a bit less till he casted Escaton Judgment. I finally fell behind in damage when I took a cart from a ground explosion, and was forced after to take another cart from the nuke (laaaame). Also I just used nullberries or the immunity mantle to stop the blights.

[Otaconnor]

Originally posted by kcuFdniM:

Well damn, that basically a guide. And nice of you to include a guide in case I didn't knew how the fight goes!
Most of what you said is basically a more detailed version of the others so I'm just gonna go into a thing that really stood out to me.
"Note that he's very weak to physical damage so if you want the fight to end faster, you can try Agitator, attack boost, all that good stuff. Just make sure you have enough element to break the threshold."
I didn't knew that at all. I have pretty good physical weapons, though the question is, what is enough element (dragon specifically) to get to the threshold? That way I could actually use my normal build slightly modified, which would spare me a lot of farming.

Gread response though! Should help out a few people looking in here!

I've soloed this guy almost 20 times now, so I'm getting pretty confident with how much I understand the fight.

Yes, it's counter-intuitive, but the majority of your damage will come from your raw attack. Alatreon's head has the second lowest physical defense value in the whole game, after Kulve's horns. Strangely, he also has pretty high elemental resistance, even his "weaknesses". So you need to pump in as much element as you can to overcome that resistance.

Also, his front legs have the lowest elemental resistance. Back legs have the second lowest. Aim for those to weaken him, then go for the head after you're ready to survive the nova.

Here's what I used to beat him with the weapon classes you said you like:

SnS = Kjarr Ice, 530 innate element, 740 with skills, 890 with Safi armor bonus

HH = Taroth Water, 860 innate element, 1140 with skills, true crit elem with silver rath armor
(note that I tested this in coop since I don't enjoy HH solo very much. The horn's element up bonuses helped me clear the DPS check real fast)

IG = Kjarr Water, 500 innate element, 700 with skills, 850 with Safi armor bonus

Note that with these stats, I found Alatreon to be pretty easy. Once I learned his moves, these builds shut him down pretty hard.

[kcuFdniM]

Originally posted by Zhou Yu:

The easiest way to test and see if you have enough element is to simply fight him. Simply observe when you knock him down with the element and keep a timer in the back of your mind until he does his nuke. Fighting with a 810 water damage kjarr lance left me with like 1:30 or a bit less till he casted Escaton Judgment. I finally fell behind in damage when I took a cart from a ground explosion, and was forced after to take another cart from the nuke (laaaame). Also I just used nullberries or the immunity mantle to stop the blights.

Thing is I have so little clue about the numbers in this game, that I have no idea what's even anywhere in the range of approchable for the fight. I could wing every fight consistently, without ever bothering to learn that stuff, but the Alatreon fight actually forces me to get a specific weapon to kill it. So I just need a nod in the direction what to farm for till Kulve is back, so I can actually have a chance.
And for carting, my brain forces me to do it the hard way. I'm basically dropping the quest and start over the moment I get hit once. It's just the way my brain works when it sees DPS checks.

[Senpai]

Originally posted by kcuFdniM:

"Note that he's very weak to physical damage so if you want the fight to end faster, you can try Agitator, attack boost, all that good stuff. Just make sure you have enough element to break the threshold."
I didn't knew that at all. I have pretty good physical weapons, though the question is, what is enough element (dragon specifically) to get to the threshold? That way I could actually use my normal build slightly modified, which would spare me a lot of farming.

Can confirm he's weak to physical. Had a friend who just solo'd at 14 mins with IG, running the usual Master's Touch x Agitator Secret build, without Ice Attack 6. Here's the run:

https://youtu.be/3MefduF8gnc

Originally posted by kcuFdniM:

Oh SnS, HH and IG are good for elemental damage? Nice, movesets I'm very used to.

I'm not really sure what is considered good damage numbers, especially for Alatreon. Could you give me some rough numbers for the 3 weapons I named above? That would massively help me to look for a weapon!

HH is pretty good, yes, thanks to the new spin2win echo attack

I've only tried a run with the Kjarr Dragon HH, but the elemental attack on it was 690 (with Dragon Attack 4), which gets boosted to 1k with Dragon Attack 6 + Elemental Attack Up (L) + Elemental Effectiveness Up buffs. For those 3 weapons, if you want to elemental break Alatreon, see if you can get over 600 elemental attack for your weapon. I think it'd be enough to reach the threshold.

[kcuFdniM]

Originally posted by Otaconnor:

I've soloed this guy almost 20 times now, so I'm getting pretty confident with how much I understand the fight.

Yes, it's counter-intuitive, but the majority of your damage will come from your raw attack. Alatreon's head has the second lowest physical defense value in the whole game, after Kulve's horns. Strangely, he also has pretty high elemental resistance, even his "weaknesses". So you need to pump in as much element as you can to overcome that resistance.

Also, his front legs have the lowest elemental resistance. Back legs have the second lowest. Aim for those to weaken him, then go for the head after you're ready to survive the nova.

Here's what I used to beat him with the weapon classes you said you like:

SnS = Kjarr Ice, 530 innate element, 740 with skills, 890 with Safi armor bonus

HH = Taroth Water, 860 innate element, 1140 with skills, true crit elem with silver rath armor
(note that I tested this in coop since I don't enjoy HH solo very much. The horn's element up bonuses helped me clear the DPS check real fast)

IG = Kjarr Water, 500 innate element, 700 with skills, 850 with Safi armor bonus

Note that with these stats, I found Alatreon to be pretty easy. Once I learned his moves, these builds shut him down pretty hard.

Hm that physical way seems really interesting for me. Got to look into that more. I have a bunch of physical Safi weapons, could I use them and just replace one of the slots with an element slot to level 6? Would that be enough to hit the threshhold?
Otherwise I'll just wait for Kulve (Was really looking forward to Frostfang Barioth, could've hunted that one in the meantime).

[Nerevar]

if all else fails run sticky 3 cheese build and just win by carting to the novas each time. wait a few minutes to eat again etc. run fortify and insurance/safeguard. keeps your sticky dmg maxed on all runs if done right.

ultimate sticky 3 cheese (with guard up and guard 5 you can block ALL his moves with hbg includeing the pins) :

start with bombardier with ele large. empty your stickys as much as you can before nova. dont worry about hitting the head. just pump em out..

cart die 1st nova regular cart.

fortify 1 active.

wait 2 minutes. eat for bombardier again.

repeat above till fortify 2 active. he has lost over half his hp by now if you emptied your stickys nearly each time.

wait till you can eat again (nova timer doesnt start till you reengage him just like kulve timer)

eait for safeguard/insurance. fortify will keep your sticky dmg capped alone now.

repeat above. he might die before 3rd nova or not. if not safeguard saves your ass.

reload.

he will be dead before 4th nova for sure.

for extra cheese stat with insurance (requires a bit more prep tough since random food skill) and you get 1 free cart.

give your cat the shield so you have less pressure on your ass to fire.

you win.

pure cheese. literally anyone can do this. no skill required aside not carting to random attacks which is easy with blocking. the stickys will heal you back up alone. no need to heal between mostly. with lbg you can just dodge easy.

i did him twice solo. once with dragon ls DECAY (standard MT meta setup. just switched agi charm with dragon 5 charm and put the final dragon gem into the weapon itself and dropped peak 3 for blight resist 3).

died once to nova as i couldnt weaken it in time due to him spamming charge (the dev who gave this guy a full body spammable charge hitbox needs to be fired from the team ASAP. if he decides to spam this move too often you WILL fail the nova check as melee aka death by bad rng) stopped the other 2 novas solo. cat had elemental weapon aswell not sure how much that helped. he died shortly after 3rd nova.

2nd solo was with the above just to see if you could beat him without any elemental dmg. turns out. you can.

[kcuFdniM]

Originally posted by Senpai:

Can confirm he's weak to physical. Had a friend who just solo'd at 14 mins with IG, running the usual Master's Touch x Agitator Secret build, without Ice Attack 6. Here's the run:

HH is pretty good, yes, thanks to the new spin2win echo attack :LilyShining:

I've only tried a run with the Kjarr Dragon HH, but the elemental attack on it was 690 (with Dragon Attack 4), which gets boosted to 1k with Dragon Attack 6 + Elemental Attack Up (L) + Elemental Effectiveness Up buffs. For those 3 weapons, if you want to elemental break Alatreon, see if you can get over 600 elemental attack for your weapon. I think it'd be enough to reach the threshold.

Well that's good to see. Just gotta get that threshold that's my problem.

Spin2win is awesome. I joined after Iceborne though, so it's the only way I know HH.
And finally I get a number to aim for!