My Theory on why Safi'jiiva looks so natural compared to Xeno'jiiva

[ACrazyWeeb]

So "Monster Hunter World: Iceborne" revealed the adult version of Xeno'jiiva: Safi'jiiva. It's quite a massive appearance change from the otherworldly elder dragon we've come to know and love, but what if that's intentional? comparing Xeno'jiiva to Safi'jiiva for a moment, we can see that Safi is much more "Natural" compared to Xeno, It actually appears to be of this world.

Here is my theory:

Going off of the idea that Xeno'jiiva is an alien, I have reason to believe that Xeno'jiiva is a pure form of the species. while Safi'jiiva is a member of the species that has taken on the physiological characteristics of the native life in the Monster Hunter world. when Xeno'jiiva crashed into the Elder's Recess, It began feeding off the bioenergy of deceased Elder Dragons, now if my theory is correct, the Xeno'jiiva we encounter is still in its unevolved form, it's not prepared to deal with the threats that it encounters on this world it has crashed into. now this theory to work, we must include Arch-Tempered Xeno'Jiiva. Arch-Tempered Xeno'jiiva is a Xeno'jiiva that has gotten the chance to consume an adequate amount of bioenergy, in this scenario, the Xeno'jiiva emerges from the cocoon as it's supposed to. The Arch-Tempered Xeno'jiiva, is able to use its abilities to a much better degree compared to the Xeno'jiiva we fight in the story. in my theory, this is a Xeno'jiiva making it's way to evolving into a Safi'jiiva. After a while, the Arch-Tempered Xeno'jiiva, much like the Gore Magala, molts into a new member of its species; the Safi'jiiva. after obtaining genetic material from the existing Elder Dragons through the bioenergy of the everstream, the Xeno'jiiva goes through a rapid molting period, shedding its pure form countless times until finally it becomes the Safi'jiiva. Safi'jiiva, compared to it's pure strain, possesses a greater mastery over its flames. Theoretically, it will act as a Invasive species, and systematically bring upon an exinction event that no Elder Dragon or hunter can stop.
After disrupting the balance of the ecosystem and completely dominating it, The Safi'jiiva will reproduce asexually and lay eggs on a rock and launch it into space, much like the aliens from Starship Troopers.

That was my theory, if I'm right I'm right, If I'm wrong, atleast I came up with a pretty good theory on why the Safi'jiiva looks so much different compared to the Xeno'jiiva.

[JPM岩]

First sentence, you are already wrong. Safi'jiiva is the pure form, the prefix "safi" means "pure" (direct Arabic translation). We also already know that Safi'jiiva is the "next step" to Xeno'jiiva. Over time, Xenos shed their skin, and when they absorb enough energy, they grow their red coloration, lose the transparency of their skin, and more easily can absorb power. We know that Xeno'jiiva all emerge from their cocoons roughly the same way (we have encountered 3), and the arch tempered state is caused by elders absorbing enough bioenergy (this is the same of other elders).
"Absorbing energy from other elders". IDK you mentioned this, bioenergy is bioenergy. Its the same regardless of where it comes from, the only difference is that elders will have more energy than, let's say, dodogoma. Again, Safi'jiiva is the "pure lantern dragon". Also, absorbing energy is not something new. Vaal Hazak does the exact same thing.
IDK how it's "unstoppable" when it can easily be stopped. Safi'jiiva isn't a Black Dragon (this has been confirmed in Japanese), so even lore-wise, it can stopped by top-class hunters, and can easily be beaten by First-Class Monsters.

[Corrupt-nz]

He looks like the dragon from the hobbit. Just with two arm's and legs

[Corrupt-nz]

Funny in MH the simple and national the monster looks the more powerful it is. Hehe

[General Jelly Jiggler]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

IDK how it's "unstoppable" when it can easily be stopped. Safi'jiiva isn't a Black Dragon (this has been confirmed in Japanese), so even lore-wise, it can stopped by top-class hunters, and can easily be beaten by First-Class Monsters.

Can you provide a sauce of them explicitly confirming he isn't a First-Class Monster/Black Dragon? Gotta have that sauce my guy.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Festive Jelly Jiggler:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

IDK how it's "unstoppable" when it can easily be stopped. Safi'jiiva isn't a Black Dragon (this has been confirmed in Japanese), so even lore-wise, it can stopped by top-class hunters, and can easily be beaten by First-Class Monsters.

Can you provide a sauce of them explicitly confirming he isn't a First-Class Monster/Black Dragon? Gotta have that sauce my guy.

The dev diary where they announced the fight, if memory serves.

[General Jelly Jiggler]

Originally posted by Seamus:

Originally posted by Festive Jelly Jiggler:

Can you provide a sauce of them explicitly confirming he isn't a First-Class Monster/Black Dragon? Gotta have that sauce my guy.

The dev diary where they announced the fight, if memory serves.

I just watched both of the recent dev diaries, they neither confirmed or denied Jeff's status as a Black Dragon.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Festive Jelly Jiggler:

Originally posted by Seamus:

The dev diary where they announced the fight, if memory serves.

I just watched both of the recent dev diaries, they neither confirmed or denied Jeff's status as a Black Dragon.

Fair enough. I don't recall where I heard it first. Dev diary was just a guess.

[General Jelly Jiggler]

Originally posted by Seamus:

Originally posted by Festive Jelly Jiggler:

I just watched both of the recent dev diaries, they neither confirmed or denied Jeff's status as a Black Dragon.

Fair enough. I don't recall where I heard it first. Dev diary was just a guess.

I don't think any official source has commented on it, if it had there would be search results for it on google, but so far I can only find reddit and game FAQ speculation posts. Maybe there is official confirmation, but I can't find it anywhere.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Festive Jelly Jiggler:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

IDK how it's "unstoppable" when it can easily be stopped. Safi'jiiva isn't a Black Dragon (this has been confirmed in Japanese), so even lore-wise, it can stopped by top-class hunters, and can easily be beaten by First-Class Monsters.

Can you provide a sauce of them explicitly confirming he isn't a First-Class Monster/Black Dragon? Gotta have that sauce my guy.

The kanji in his title translates to "Red Dragon". All Black Dragons, Fatalis, Miralis, Alatreon, Dhisu, Merphi, all have 黒龍 in their title, which translates to Black Dragon. Safi does not have these kanji. 赤龍 is Red Dragon.

[General Jelly Jiggler]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Originally posted by Festive Jelly Jiggler:

Can you provide a sauce of them explicitly confirming he isn't a First-Class Monster/Black Dragon? Gotta have that sauce my guy.

The kanji in his title translates to "Red Dragon". All Black Dragons, Fatalis, Miralis, Alatreon, Dhisu, Merphi, all have 黒龍 in their title, which translates to Black Dragon. Safi does not have these kanji. 赤龍 is Red Dragon.

That's not exactly proof of it not being considered a black dragon/first-class monster though, Crimson Fatalis and White Fatalis don't have black dragon in their title, neither do Disufiroa or Merphistophelin. Kanji isn't a solid foundation for it not being a black dragon, especially when not all the black dragons have black dragon in their titles.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Festive Jelly Jiggler:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

The kanji in his title translates to "Red Dragon". All Black Dragons, Fatalis, Miralis, Alatreon, Dhisu, Merphi, all have 黒龍 in their title, which translates to Black Dragon. Safi does not have these kanji. 赤龍 is Red Dragon.

That's not exactly proof of it not being considered a black dragon/first-class monster though, Crimson Fatalis and White Fatalis don't have black dragon in their title, neither do Disufiroa or Merphistophelin. Kanji isn't a solid foundation for it not being a black dragon, especially when not all the black dragons have black dragon in their titles.

All main series monsters that are black dragons have the "Black" kanji in their title. Crimson and White Fatty are lore-wise regular fatalis with changes (Crimson are Fatalises that live in Volcanic regions for extended periods of time, and Whites are Fattys that live extremely long lives, theyre elderly). Dhisu was confirmed to be a black dragon by the Frontier through relation with Alatreon, and both Dhisu and Alatreon have near identical powers, the only difference being that Altreon can control it naturally, where Dhisu has to enter Solstice War to control it.
I dont consider MHO to be canon, but Tenecent said Merph was a black dragon.
The main series rule is that for it to be a Black Dragon, it has to be titled Black Dragon, or a direct relative of a black dragon, or confirmed by the dev team. Safi matches none of these descriptions, even in Iceborne's lore, Safi isnt treated as a black dragon, and more along the lines of Kulve or Amatsu, where theyre trying to figure out what it is.
Plus, Safi's power of absorbing energy isnt unique to Safi. Vaal Hazak does the exact same thing.

[General Jelly Jiggler]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Originally posted by Festive Jelly Jiggler:

That's not exactly proof of it not being considered a black dragon/first-class monster though, Crimson Fatalis and White Fatalis don't have black dragon in their title, neither do Disufiroa or Merphistophelin. Kanji isn't a solid foundation for it not being a black dragon, especially when not all the black dragons have black dragon in their titles.

All main series monsters that are black dragons have the "Black" kanji in their title. Crimson and White Fatty are lore-wise regular fatalis with changes (Crimson are Fatalises that live in Volcanic regions for extended periods of time, and Whites are Fattys that live extremely long lives, theyre elderly). Dhisu was confirmed to be a black dragon by the Frontier through relation with Alatreon, and both Dhisu and Alatreon have near identical powers, the only difference being that Altreon can control it naturally, where Dhisu has to enter Solstice War to control it.
I dont consider MHO to be canon, but Tenecent said Merph was a black dragon.
The main series rule is that for it to be a Black Dragon, it has to be titled Black Dragon, or a direct relative of a black dragon, or confirmed by the dev team. Safi matches none of these descriptions, even in Iceborne's lore, Safi isnt treated as a black dragon, and more along the lines of Kulve or Amatsu, where theyre trying to figure out what it is.
Plus, Safi's power of absorbing energy isnt unique to Safi. Vaal Hazak does the exact same thing.

Fair enough.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Festive Jelly Jiggler:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

All main series monsters that are black dragons have the "Black" kanji in their title. Crimson and White Fatty are lore-wise regular fatalis with changes (Crimson are Fatalises that live in Volcanic regions for extended periods of time, and Whites are Fattys that live extremely long lives, theyre elderly). Dhisu was confirmed to be a black dragon by the Frontier through relation with Alatreon, and both Dhisu and Alatreon have near identical powers, the only difference being that Altreon can control it naturally, where Dhisu has to enter Solstice War to control it.
I dont consider MHO to be canon, but Tenecent said Merph was a black dragon.
The main series rule is that for it to be a Black Dragon, it has to be titled Black Dragon, or a direct relative of a black dragon, or confirmed by the dev team. Safi matches none of these descriptions, even in Iceborne's lore, Safi isnt treated as a black dragon, and more along the lines of Kulve or Amatsu, where theyre trying to figure out what it is.
Plus, Safi's power of absorbing energy isnt unique to Safi. Vaal Hazak does the exact same thing.

Fair enough.

I think a majority of the "omg its a black dragon!!!!" comes from people not really understanding black dragons and why theyre classified the way the are. Black Dragons are the king of kings, the very top of the food chain, with destructive powers so strong they can wipe out life within seconds. Fatalis went and destroyed the most advanced civilization of the world effortlessly, and when killed, can regenerate it's body. Armor made from it makes people go insane, and it's great sword will eventually grow into a new fatalis. Dire Miralis killed all life more miles in a strip of ocean near Port Tanzia, making life impossible to grow back. Alatreon can shift temperatures drastically within seconds, and control it fully (whats even more terrifying is that theres a recorded, stronger, blue alatreon).
Safi'jiiva just absorbs energy, something Vaal Hazak does, too. It lives in the Guiding Lands, but theres no proof that it causes the Guiding Lands to be weird.