Alatreon and why it's not worth your time

[TheVanwulf]

Please read the entire post, I'm talking about the rewards. I'm only mentioning difficulty for context.

Fight in a Nutshell: Deal consistently high amounts of elemental damage, while breaking parts, causing flinches and (if your lucky) a wall-bang. Doesn't sound too hard, right? Well, there's a time limit, and if you spend too much time healing, you'll be melted by the Nova. Oh, don't forget your Astera Jerky and Health Booster or you'll still cart. This is assuming you're working with a coordinated team and not just random hunters. Good luck with randoms!

Then, your reward's are weapons that are roughly the same compared to their Kjarr equivalents, and an armor set with a set bonus that is basically useless. Mostly because you NEED a pretty good elemental build just to beat it in the first place.

So, why fight Alatreon? Probably, just for the experience. It's a hard fight and it feels great to get a bunch of randoms to work together and strategize. I just don't think it's a fight worth doing more than once. What are your thoughts?

[CourtesyFlush09]

Originally posted by Lumika:

First time I see anyone that likes the set, I find it to be ugly beyond comprehension.

Alatreon's alpha armor is beautiful. How dare you.

Originally posted by Lumika:

Wait until you see the new barioth armor specially the helm :tlove:

Frozen Barioth's female armor set is actually better looking than the male version. First time I've ever said that about this game.

[howardxu23]

Originally posted by TormentedSalad (Dan):

Actually yes it is expected that all playstyles should be considered while i very much enjoy this hunt I do take issue with the push on elemental weapons not all weapons are very good with element.

Take one of the older games or even just any other fight in iceborne I can bring whatever weapon I want to whatever monster and have few issues in doing so sure some fights might be harder with some weapons and rathalos is a pushover with any weapon but the fact remains I can do it.

Alatreon however pushes elemental playstyles on everyone I dont particually like dps checks in general if they wanted one they should have made it a general dps check and just have alatreon have better elemental hitzones to encourage it.

I agree that you should be able to grab anything and still kill the monster eventually, from somthing as memey as spin to win hammer, or speedrun glass cannon longsword, you may die, but it is often because of getting outplayed by a monster, missing or getting hit, but you can kill it even when unga bunga

safi I feel is a good enough balance between damage check and how unga bunga you can be before he kills you, any weapon can be used on him, but you need to learn your weapon's strengths and weakness, and know safi well enough to land decent blows on him, discounting that he is rather immobile. You do not need to use a speedrun build, as long you can be sure that you can land the damage consistently and run for the rocks when sapphire star, you are mostly good and should be able to beat his damage check

alatron Imo is the opposite, by forcing you to use one specific set up and making some of the weapons near useless, even then it is not 100%, not even 70% garrenteed that you win, not to mention it is very obscure on how elemental actually works though in game stuff. rajang and raging brachy at the very least if you hit them enough, theydies, and guess what? they have no damage checks either.

I have suggestions for alatron which should be easily implemented, it should hopefully at worst writing some new code and tuning numbers(I have no idea how it is coded, but from my own programming knowledge it should at least save on the animation and assets side), but all of the current assets can be used without having to make new ones or make current ones redundant

the nuke and the damage check system stays, but the main difference is that
if you break one of his horns, the judgement damage gets reduced to current successful damage check damage PERMANENTLY, if you break the other horn, it becomes laughable. If you meet the damage check in those states it gets reduced even further. This is in a way similar to barioth fight, where if you break both of his front legs, he becomes far less agile and stops spamming that side bash move, and instead becoming more of a opening for damage, as in the same case as here, if alatron has both horns smashed to dust you can put health booster down at the place he goes boom and keep attacking.

for balancing alatron becomes even weaker to element damage in general(water, dragon and lightlng gets a 2 star weakness base across the board, and stun gets 3 stars for maxiumn unga bunga memes

current alatron can be converted to a AT version without any changes.

[Foolishバカ]

Originally posted by Zplayer96:

My thoughts are GIT GUD!

You literally made a thread yesterday crying about giving up.

[𝓇𝒾𝓃𝒶𝒶𝒶𝒶𝒶]

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

Originally posted by Lumika:

First time I see anyone that likes the set, I find it to be ugly beyond comprehension.

Alatreon's alpha armor is beautiful. How dare you.

Originally posted by Lumika:

Wait until you see the new barioth armor specially the helm

Frozen Barioth's female armor set is actually better looking than the male version. First time I've ever said that about this game.

No way Alatreon is nowhere near my top 10 best looking armors.

Frozen Barioth gear is finally doing female characters some justice, it's absolutely god tier and makes you look like a real hunter . I'm super glad the devs didn't use underwear as armor (like they usually do) just because some people are very lonely irl.

[Sacred Heart]

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

Originally posted by Lumika:

First time I see anyone that likes the set, I find it to be ugly beyond comprehension.

Alatreon's alpha armor is beautiful. How dare you.

Originally posted by Lumika:

Wait until you see the new barioth armor specially the helm :tlove:

Frozen Barioth's female armor set is actually better looking than the male version. First time I've ever said that about this game.

It was already better looking to begin with. have you actually played long?

as for the topic yeah i don't really see my self farming him hard, the only weapon i found useful is the bow and maybe hammer if you REALLY like dragon element.

He's just a "fun" fight.

[Zplayer96]

Originally posted by FoolishBaka:

Originally posted by Zplayer96:

My thoughts are GIT GUD!

You literally made a thread yesterday crying about giving up.

Then i GOT GUD thats why im telling yall to try fighting him cuz i've been there before and feel the pain of being trash.

[CJwat11]

Definitely not worth multiple clears for like, the armor. If you want one of the cool looking weapons just do it for that, and then never touch the fight again.

Reminds me a lot of other fights tbh.

[Holografix]

all this complaining and yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0lGlqHxxYU
pure skill, no salt.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Originally posted by CJwat11:

Definitely not worth multiple clears for like, the armor. If you want one of the cool looking weapons just do it for that, and then never touch the fight again.

Reminds me a lot of other fights tbh.

The fact that you even had to say that is depressing.

Alatreon's a Black Dragon ffs. He deserved better.

[CJwat11]

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

Originally posted by CJwat11:

Definitely not worth multiple clears for like, the armor. If you want one of the cool looking weapons just do it for that, and then never touch the fight again.

Reminds me a lot of other fights tbh.

The fact that you even had to say that is depressing.

Alatreon's a Black Dragon ffs. He deserved better.

Ahaha....Well the weapons look really cool (armor looks cool but has crummy skills). The problem is, randoms are fukken ♥♥♥♥ at this game, and the server issues.

[DoT]

i already have the armor and some weapons, the only reason keep hunting is just for fun

[Silver Nightbane]

The whole concept of hunting stronger monsters isn't to fight harder, it's to fight smarter.

If the objective it to get to the other side of a wall, you don't exactly go up against it and keep hitting it until it breaks, you could just go over it or find other ways around it.

This isn't any different, you just need a different approach if you find yourself sticking to your guns.

[CJwat11]

I switched from my LBG of course because raw damage is not good. I switched to elemental.

[Wraith]

Yah but some people are so stuck up with their raw build that they don't switch.
I seen so many people still bring raging brachy weapons to this fight...
That an instant kick if they don't switch weapon when I ask.

[Lilim Vixen]

People need to take into account how hard it is to suddenly build a new build or learn a new weapon when theyve been allowed to do whatever the hell they want for the ENTIRE rest of the game. It's hard to get decos to make new builds work, it's hard to adjust to the playstyle. That is so much of the difficulty for many people for this fight. The fact that some weapons are so superior to others in elemental damage does not help either. While its not impossible for those greatsword users, those hammer users, for lbgs, even hbg can solo if they take the deaths - its just much easier to smash this thing on dual blades, bow, or chargeblade, since they had meta high element builds already before this thing came out.
And of course those people who dont have these builds are not going to enjoy being forced into them.
DPS checks in MMO's are inclusive, you can play your classes, you get matched with an appropriate team for it. You can't do that with MHW, it doesn't have the kind of matchmaking necessary, the kind of forced team compositions, or even enough players. Because honestly, everyone's done everything, quit the game, and only just come back for title updates. And that's what we always did.