PSA: Sticky ammo can beat Alatreon solo.

[Stronk]

Here's the strategy, you pump all your sticky/wyvern/clusters into him, intentionally cart to the nova, use the cart to restock, go back in and repeat. He should be dead before he gets a nova off 3x for the 3rd cart. Or eat for safeguard.

I tested it, and it confirm it works. This technically works for any other weapon as well, providing you do enough DPS before you cart to 3 novas.

"I'm glad they made a monster you can't just cheese with sticky ammo" - they say.

Yeah. No. I did it.

[Just Life]

Unless you got very lucky with your razorshot procs, I don't think you have enough sticky ammo to beat Alatreon in 2-3 carts(Insurence/safe gaurd).

[Stronk]

Originally posted by Just Life:

Unless you got very lucky with your razorshot procs, I don't think you have enough sticky ammo to beat Alatreon in 2-3 carts(Insurence/safe gaurd).

The next thing I'm gonna try is elemental LBG. The same thing could be done there, but you'd have the possibility of flinching him with elemental damage, so you might be able to get away with only carting once (intentionally just to restock).

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Stronk:

Here's the strategy, you pump all your sticky/wyvern/clusters into him, intentionally cart to the nova, use the cart to restock, go back in and repeat. He should be dead before he gets a nova off 3x for the 3rd cart. Or eat for safeguard.

I tested it, and it confirm it works. This technically works for any other weapon as well, providing you do enough DPS before you cart to 3 novas.

"I'm glad they made a monster you can't just cheese with sticky ammo" - they say.

Yeah. No. I did it.

"All it took was intentionally dying."

To each their own I suppose. Grats?

[Stronk]

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

To each their own I suppose. Grats?

Hey, the mechanics are kinda BS to be honest, so the strategy to win is as simple as dying intentionally to restock your ammo. Maybe if they actually made a fight that was fun, interesting and dynamic, I'd enjoy using something else.

Once I get my mats, I'll move on. Haven't even attempted this on a team yet, don't really need to. Solo is easier.

[Velesianus]

Originally posted by Just Life:

Unless you got very lucky with your razorshot procs, I don't think you have enough sticky ammo to beat Alatreon in 2-3 carts(Insurence/safe gaurd).

Bruh, he's only got 50k hp. How weak do you think sticky is?

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Stronk:

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

To each their own I suppose. Grats?

Hey, the mechanics are kinda BS to be honest, so the strategy to win is as simple as dying intentionally to restock your ammo. Maybe if they actually made a fight that was fun, interesting and dynamic, I'd enjoy using something else.

You used a cheese strat. Why would you expect a fight to be fun, interesting or dynamic if you're gonna hard-head your way with the same old tactics one way or another? Whatever, gamer.

[Suzaku]

Ah yes, the Doctor Strange method.

"Alatreon, I've come to bargain."

[Just Life]

Originally posted by (｡◕‿◕｡):

Originally posted by Just Life:

Unless you got very lucky with your razorshot procs, I don't think you have enough sticky ammo to beat Alatreon in 2-3 carts(Insurence/safe gaurd).

Bruh, he's only got 50k hp. How weak do you think sticky is?

I am very aware of how strong Sticky are.

[Stronk]

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

You used a cheese strat. Why would you expect a fight to be fun, interesting or dynamic if you're gonna hard-head your way with the same old tactics one way or another? Whatever, gamer.

Cheese strat? The game hard locked people into using elemental non-bowgun weapons (if you do multiplayer), all I'm doing is circumventing the trash mechanics and getting a victory. Considering all the salt revolving around this fight, and people QQing and calling for nerfs, I just went in and beat the monster's ass like it was no big deal.

Someone could use the same exact strategy to beat the monster using their raw weapons, providing they actually did plenty of damage with them, which isn't something a novice player is going to be able to pull off.

However, I intend to try some other weapons against him, and some of them might employ intentionally carting to the nova. Like gunlance has no chance to solo Alatreon without that strategy, until someone proves otherwise. That person isn't gonna be me, because I already know elemental GL doesn't do enough damage to meet the DPS check. Might as well just shell it, and take the forced carts to a nova attack you've got no answer for with that specific weapon.

Maybe if capcom didn't shoehorn people into elemental, and even hard lock some weapons out of winning entirely following the recommended mechanics, then maybe I'd feel differently about the fight.

[Nerevar]

i wonder if this works with safeguard at all given sticky requires bombardier to be fully effective dmg wise.

[Velesianus]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

sticky requires bombardier to be fully effective dmg wise.

nope. wrong skill

[Stronk]

Originally posted by Nerevar:

i wonder if this works with safeguard at all given sticky requires bombardier to be fully effective dmg wise.

I used a different sticky build than the usual. Artillery 5 + regular spare shot, along with the usual attack skills. That way I was closer to sticky cap without bombardier. Still managed to win before 3 carts, so I didn't even need safeguard. The Artillery 5 build was a comfier set too, I had evade extender 3, and evade window 3 (5 with mantle), so not getting hit was pretty easy.

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Stronk:

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

You used a cheese strat. Why would you expect a fight to be fun, interesting or dynamic if you're gonna hard-head your way with the same old tactics one way or another? Whatever, gamer.

Cheese strat? The game hard locked people into using elemental non-bowgun weapons (if you do multiplayer), all I'm doing is circumventing the trash mechanics and getting a victory. Considering all the salt revolving around this fight, and people QQing and calling for nerfs, I just went in and beat the monster's ass like it was no big deal.

Someone could use the same exact strategy to beat the monster using their raw weapons, providing they actually did plenty of damage with them, which isn't something a novice player is going to be able to pull off.

However, I intend to try some other weapons against him, and some of them might employ intentionally carting to the nova. Like gunlance has no chance to solo Alatreon without that strategy, until someone proves otherwise. That person isn't gonna be me, because I already know elemental GL doesn't do enough damage to meet the DPS check. Might as well just shell it, and take the forced carts to a nova attack you've got no answer for with that specific weapon.

Maybe if capcom didn't shoehorn people into elemental, and even hard lock some weapons out of winning entirely following the recommended mechanics, then maybe I'd feel differently about the fight.

I suppose if you ignore the potential 3 other players which you should be communicating with you'd see the fight as "hardlocked". Guess this is one of those fights that's only entertaining if you're actually trying to survive the fight rather than use a gimmick to combat a mechanic.

[Stronk]

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

I suppose if you ignore the potential 3 other players which you should be communicating with you'd see the fight as "hardlocked". Guess this is one of those fights that's only entertaining if you're actually trying to survive the fight rather than use a gimmick to combat a mechanic.

Maybe 1% of the community would actually be useful in this fight on a team? The other 99% would pretty much be dead weight, not even pulling their 1/4 share of the team's effort? Saying ♥♥♥♥ that, and just soloing it seems like the smart choice in my book.

But hey, Capcom DID put solo scaling in the fight, so they intended for players to be able to solo it, which I did. If this thing had over 100k HP, I wouldn't be able to kill it before using all the carts, even with safeguard cart + restocking. 52k is no big deal though.

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Stronk:

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

I suppose if you ignore the potential 3 other players which you should be communicating with you'd see the fight as "hardlocked". Guess this is one of those fights that's only entertaining if you're actually trying to survive the fight rather than use a gimmick to combat a mechanic.

Maybe 1% of the community would actually be useful in this fight on a team? The other 99% would pretty much be dead weight, not even pulling their 1/4 share of the team's effort? Saying ♥♥♥♥ that, and just soloing it seems like the smart choice in my book.

But hey, Capcom DID put solo scaling in the fight, so they intended for players to be able to solo it, which I did.

Wile using the already most-broken strat in the game.

And intentionally dying to it's mechanics.

And you're still complaining the fight isn't "fun".


Grats? I hope you find something more fun to do in the fight because this sounds like a pretty sad cycle to me.