a good heroics secret set, gathering thoughts

[Xilo The Odd]

so i've been tinkering with the idea on how best to go about it, i've landed on the idea of doing 4 piece furious jang and 2 piece taroth. meaning i'd need to use a high raw taroth weapon which arent the highest raw options out there. im thinking of doing my Taroth Sleep hammer unless there is a better raw option, either for ability to augment or overall better stats as far as taroth weapons go.

im curious if anyone else has tried to make this kind of a set and came up with something different. not looking for meta speedrunner OP sets (hence why i'm packing guts, im not a speedrunner, im a guy who can get hit xD), sets that run similar plans for survival but max out their damage by being in that specific health range of safety vs. 1 shot and you die.

[Zhou Yu]

I’ll probably never use any set with Heroics myself, but if you go with it I would think that maxing out evade window would be a big priority. Also something to research is if Heroics is based of off a percentage of your health, if so then health boost would give you a bigger health cushion to run it on.

[Run Ha]

in my opinion just use guts charm, the damage loss is too much if you use taroth weapon

[Hare+Guu!]

Bazel is still an option with the Safi weapon for guts.

[Nifty]

This is my build so far with heroics secret on Rajang set.
This is used with a Longsword, I am sure you can swap it out for most melee weapons tho, as OP mentioned a hammer.
Heroics activates at 35% or lower HP
So with 3+ Health Boost it activates at roughly 52HP (1/3 of you total HP)
You can get up to 1803 base dmg with my build in heroics ( + food buff att(L) + demon drug + spirit gauge sitting in the red ofc).
You can pump it up to 2300 with evasion mantle proc.
Your affinity will sit at a base of 60% with maximum might and critical eye.
Goes up to 90% with weakness exploit and at 110% with wounded parts. KeK 10% over 100
I usually try and eat for Feline Moxie at the canteen for the Guts effect.

The Raj Build [honeyhunterworld.com]

Some questions.

• Why Alpha? -> Alpha set because I don't have all the jewels to slot in for other stuff that I am loosing in the Beta set.
  
• Why Lightbreak Edge ->I'ts got purple sharpness, high dmg and slots. Also i'ts where I am at in the game atm.
  
• Is this a good set? -> I can hit hard, and get hit hard, win win.
  
• Is it as defensive as it looks? -> So so, you can get pounded a good couple times from Tempered elders and still be aok. (Basically you can still get a bonk at 1/3 of you health and still be good)
  
• Can you swap out a piece that's not needed because 4/4 set piece skill is reached -> 100%, Not sure what to tho. Was testing out with some buff body chest for the fortify effect.
  
• You know there are better builds right? -> Aye, but I like janky.

Feel free to take out the Expert lvl1 jewels, the Refresh Jewel, and throw in Recovery jewels.
The Recovery really helps keep you alive, esp with the Rocksteady Mantle.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by 8Infinity8:

This is my build so far with heroics secret on Rajang set.
This is used with a Longsword, I am sure you can swap it out for most melee weapons tho, as OP mentioned a hammer.
Heroics activates at 35% or lower HP
So with 3+ Health Boost it activates at roughly 52HP (1/3 of you total HP)
You can get up to 1803 base dmg with my build in heroics ( + food buff att(L) + demon drug + spirit gauge sitting in the red ofc).
You can pump it up to 2300 with evasion mantle proc.
Your affinity will sit at a base of 60% with maximum might and critical eye.
Goes up to 90% with weakness exploit and at 110% with wounded parts. KeK 10% over 100
I usually try and eat for Feline Moxie at the canteen for the Guts effect.

The Raj Build [honeyhunterworld.com]

Some questions.

• Why Alpha? -> Alpha set because I don't have all the jewels to slot in for other stuff that I am loosing in the Beta set.
  
• Why Lightbreak Edge ->I'ts got purple sharpness, high dmg and slots. Also i'ts where I am at in the game atm.
  
• Is this a good set? -> I can hit hard, and get hit hard, win win.
  
• Is it as defensive as it looks? -> So so, you can get pounded a good couple times from Tempered elders and still be aok. (Basically you can still get a bonk at 1/3 of you health and still be good)
  
• Can you swap out a piece that's not needed because 4/4 set piece skill is reached -> 100%, Not sure what to tho. Was testing out with some buff body chest for the fortify effect.
  
• You know there are better builds right? -> Aye, but I like janky.

Feel free to take out the Expert lvl1 jewels, the Refresh Jewel, and throw in Recovery jewels.
The Recovery really helps keep you alive, esp with the Rocksteady Mantle.

755 effective raw with heroics procced isnt too terrible. but its also just straight Jang alpha so im sure there is higher. i'll probably do the same and use a light break weapon, its just the solid raw option atm. wanted to use a taroth raw weapon and go 2 piece guts but damagewise its just not worth it. as for a mystery 4th piece, maybe a chunk of taroth or a chunk of rage brach for agitator and try to get it to agitator 5, then one could be less reliant on WEX, maybe even go for crit boost i could probably do a good chunk of this set in beta pieces, some of the alpha pieces are worth it though just value wise on skills gained over beta.

[jrubz]

Originally posted by Run Ha:

in my opinion just use guts charm, the damage loss is too much if you use taroth weapon

There are some good Taroth weps tho, the fire Long sword can be ramped up to safi's raw level with non-element boost, Taroth Sleep hammer can be ramped up.

There's potential with those.

Only issue I'm thinking with the OP's idea. When does Heroics trigger compared to guts? If they both meet at 35%, then guts won't trigger in theory.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by JRubz:

Originally posted by Run Ha:

in my opinion just use guts charm, the damage loss is too much if you use taroth weapon

There are some good Taroth weps tho, the fire Long sword can be ramped up to safi's raw level with non-element boost, Taroth Sleep hammer can be ramped up.

There's potential with those.

Only issue I'm thinking with the OP's idea. When does Heroics trigger compared to guts? If they both meet at 35%, then guts won't trigger in theory.

from my understanding guts will still trigger, but for heroics you'll basically be right above the line for it. it may not be worth running as a skill in the end. but it might be a good comfy version. i guess as comfy as heroics can get. still playing around with the set maker, i need to get my setup damage options and decos put into it so it'll be easier to figure out what i can build.

[Nifty]

So I have been looking around for some maybe more damaging builds compared to mine and low and behold Peppo Set [honeyhunterworld.com]
So the set that I built in the editor there isn't the exact same as the guy who runs it from the video I saw (Same armour and skills tho) I just wanted to see if it would output more damage than my build, and it does by a good amount too.
The Video can be found Here .
The build is from Peppo who's a speed runner. So your skill of not getting hit needs to be part of the build....
He does run Attack jewels on his mantle to boost it up to 7.

[JebKerman]

Originally posted by JRubz:

Only issue I'm thinking with the OP's idea. When does Heroics trigger compared to guts? If they both meet at 35%, then guts won't trigger in theory.

Guts threshold is 60HP and Heroics is 35%

So to make it work Health Boost of at least 2 would be mandatory (on top of a Fresh Meal/Max Potion):
Health Boost 3:
35% of 200 = 70 = 10HP window, where Guts is available and Heroics is active.
Health Boost 2:
35% of 180 = 63 = 3HP window

And, for reference:
Health Boost 1:
35% of 165 = 57.75 = No Window
No health Boost:
35% of 150 = 52.5 = No Window