Bow Decoration priority - Pierce / Forceshot / Spread / Mind's Eye?

[Moraisu]

Hello there,

While trying to obtain the ever elusive Mighty Bow 2 (using 3 piece Legiana at the moment for that) I decided to visit the mender and burn all my excess decorations, ended up gaining one Forceshot Jewel 3, one Pierce Jewel 3 and two Spread Jewel 3, oh, and one Mind's Eye Jewel 2, and now I am quite confused :D

What I gather from what little information that there is is that the damage boosting decorations damage only apply to the raw damage or the weapon and not elemental one, I already have Critical Boost Level 3 from 2 Kulve Taroth's, Constitution maxed and I also maxed the current weapon element, now I am trying to figure out which one should I swap out for the new decorations that I got..

It also does not help that all those jewels are 3 slot jewels, having to trade them for two 4 slot decorations, huh.... I am out of ideas here, any help is much appreciated =)

[puzzlefox]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Aelin Galathynius:

Opprinnelig skrevet av puzzlefox:

Bow main here

2. Spread is the one to prioritize. One level of spread is enough. Lvl 2 has diminishing returns, but if you can afford it, go for it.


Normal shots is okay, but I wouldn't stress your build to fit it in. None of my main builds have it. If you do use it, I would only do one level of it.

I'm not a bow main so I want to ask this:

Highest damage combo for when a monster is stationary B x3 then RT x3

Best combo for when the monster is up and you have stamina is RT x3, B then once you have max charge you spam dash RT B dash RT B until stamina runs out

To regen stamina use B, RT x3, B

B, dash, RT, B is the fastest way to get to max charge

The above is all info I looked up when I decided to start leaning the bow.

Normal shots gives 10/20%
Spread shots gives 10/15%

Based on the above combos you would use normal shots more than spread shots and normal gets a higher bonus at level 2. Given this I would pick 1 level of each and then if I could fit a second level of only 1 I'd take normal.

Can you explain why you would take spread 1 and spread 2 before taking normal 1?

Your combos heavily depend on the situation. This is what makes bow so difficult to master. There isn't really a definitive answer for which combos are best for each given situation. Instead, of whether or not the monster is standing, I consider the following:
How long is my attack window?
How dangerous is the monster?
How much room do I have to dash dance?
How much stamina do I have to work with or do I have time to let my stamina recharge for a second to pull my ideal combo?

B, Rt, Rt, B is what I often see recommended, but I dont use it much. The first shot costs no stamina, but it hits like a popcorn fart. In most cases, I'd rather spend the extra stamina than sacrifice the same amount of time investment with practically no return. To each their own though.

That being said, i use Rt, Rt, Rt, B a lot. If the monster is about to move, I use this to give it a second to attack or move to watch what it does so I can reposition accordingly. It's also a good way to keep dmg rolling at medium-long distance.

I use dash, Rt, B A LOT. probably more than I technically should. However, it is a big stamina investment and I often have to nope out and waste more in the event I have to dodge. But with more aggressive monsters, I feel like this combo is best in general, even when the monster is standing.

A lot of this changes for tempered and AT monsters. If you look at areas of effect for monster's attacks, dash dancing, or even dash, dash, B is a better option just to get out of the danger zone to attack more safely. Or with flying dingus monsters, I may find myself just mostly spamming Rt to preserve my stamina until it swoops in to attack, so i can dash, B.

And in solo, towards the end of a KO i will do the cocanut rain to stack on some KO dmg for other opportunities to do cocanut rain. Though tbh, I play a lot of MP, so cocanut isn't really even in my rotation, so I'm just used to never using it at all.

As for normal shots vs. spread deco, idk the math behind it. All I know is I've seen many speedrunner builds with 1-2 levels of spread and no normal, but I've never seen normal with no spread. I dont know the math, but they do, so I just go with what they do. But I'm assuming that it in-line with slightly lower % of a much higher # > slightly higher % of a much lower #

[Vandals[UK]]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Moraisu:

I guess spread shots are that more more powerfull than normal ones, hence the lower 15% damage boost that the decoration offers

Correct

The powershot (B) is a lot stronger than Rapid shot (RT). In fact, more than twice as strong. So you would want the extra 10/15% raw on the B instead.

Note: the EFFECTIVE RANGE on B is very low, which is why a lot of bow players shoot arrows not far from melee range.

[Xeroze]

The difference between a good bow main and someone learning the ropes is the utilization of the quick shot which generates stamina while upping the charge level. It doesnt even have to hit anything.

Stamina for bow is basically damage. Any time u can generate stamina means being able to do more dash dances for damage, which translates to more dps. I have not used rt rt rt circle or any variations of that for at least 1000 hunts, and i don't see that even changing considering how the mechanics work. There are more niche case uses for draw-and-hold to gain bow charge than starting off with a level 1 rapid shot simply due to the fact that L1 rapid literally doesn't do anything better other than a really miniscule amount of damage which is offset by losing potential damage down the line from not dash dancing

[Moraisu]

And to think that I bought this game because a friend of mine said "oh that looks cool", add in the fact that I am working from home and unable to go out due to health reasons, SARS-CoV-2 and all and here I am... 300 hours in and still enjoying the game, what a lovely surprise.

I do play 100% Co-Op, so I try not to use coconuts on my rotation, only when playing with other ranged classes, as of now I am going for Velkhana, I gues I still need some parts of her for the second armor piece, still have no Idea with one to chose, using two Kulve for the Guts bonus and Critical Boost 3, I still have no idea how to properly replace the 3 set legiana, I am already set for the Velkana healm due to the decoration slots and Divine blessing 2, I guess all that it's left is see what kind of other armor pieces I can slot in the reaming places...in this case, chest or pants...

Hum lunastra does have health boost (yes, Divine blessing and Health Boost, I have 300 hours playtime, but let's say that I still get hit quite a lot, I'm afraid)

ah, got it! Velkhana head for the divine blessing, kirin chest for the Critical eye and divine blessing,, kulve hand and boot for the critical boost and I guess... velkana pants for the set bonus... now for the getting one bow for every element, huh... Flich Free does seem to be quite usefull... interesting.


oh yeah, and the Mighty Bow 2 farming must resume, I guess...

[Moraisu]

Huh, been doing some tests, and even with max affinity and max elemental the loss of the Bow Plus 2 legiana set bonus seems to be quite high, the loss of that 4 arrow shots made one hell of a diference...at least testing rotations in the training grounds, something I'm missing?

[cua_bien02]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Moraisu:

Huh, been doing some tests, and even with max affinity and max elemental the loss of the Bow Plus 2 legiana set bonus seems to be quite high, the loss of that 4 arrow shots made one hell of a diference...at least testing rotations in the training grounds, something I'm missing?

Once you hit end game, you could try building around the Silver Rathalos/Safi/Nami set to see if you can compensate for the loss of Mighty Bow while waiting for RNGeesus to take pity on you and drop a Mighty Bow 2 deco.

[AfLIcTeD]

It's a shame the best armour set for bows sucks ass for skills and slots.

[Moraisu]

RNGessus has not been kind, I mean... I think I have all the rare decorations to build a Long Sword, Dual Blades or a Heavy Bowgun build, all weapons that I am very interested in, legend says that the decoration that you want will drop if you farm it with another weapon :D

[Bong-B Rippins]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Moraisu:

RNGessus has not been kind, I mean... I think I have all the rare decorations to build a Long Sword, Dual Blades or a Heavy Bowgun build, all weapons that I am very interested in, legend says that the decoration that you want will drop if you farm it with another weapon :D

You've gotta *not* want it. Desire sensor knows when you are looking for something particular and then makes it ultra hard to get. Once you don't care about getting the gem you'll have them coming out your ears. Gotta outsmart the system

[Aelin Galathynius]

Opprinnelig skrevet av AfLIcTeD:

It's a shame the best armour set for bows sucks ass for skills and slots.

I agree.

If you're looking for builds other than the meta max dps at all costs you might find these useful.

Silverlos with Safi bows: https://mhwbowbuilds.wordpress.com/13-00/#universal-comfort
Safi with Kulve bows: https://mhwbowbuilds.wordpress.com/meta-build-patch13-50a/#comfort-builds

[Moraisu]

Thank you, always that Bow Charge Plus taunting me... I do have to admit that the 100% focus on damage is quite unsettling, in all my runs we always lose not because of time but always because someone dies, I don't play solo, I don't see the fun in it,

I do however seem to understand that I went for the worst weapon to gear up for, having an entire weapon be "locked" behind one decoration seems to be a bit extreme, but such is life, I guess I will have to pay Jagras another visit... or 10... per day...

[Aelin Galathynius]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Moraisu:

Thank you, always that Bow Charge Plus taunting me... I do have to admit that the 100% focus on damage is quite unsettling, in all my runs we always lose not because of time but always because someone dies, I don't play solo, I don't see the fun in it,

I do however seem to understand that I went for the worst weapon to gear up for, having an entire weapon be "locked" behind one decoration seems to be a bit extreme, but such is life, I guess I will have to pay Jagras another visit... or 10... per day...

Bow is probably the most deco heavy seapon in game. If you want to go farm the great chungus I'd recommend a spread heavy bowgun with shields. It's safe while doing an absurd amount of damage.

[Run Ha]

-mighty bow jewel(if no jewel pass)
-full affinity 100%
-crit element/true
-6element attack(raw is bad,except blast for velk)
-crit boost 3
-con1+blackbelt+dashjuice /con3+dashjuice/ con2+dashjuice
-stamina surge
-spread 1/2 (priority more than normalshot)
-normalshot 1/2

useful skill
-evade window
-slinger capacity
-attack boost
-health boost

useful mantle
-evasion (dash evade easier to proc with bow follow up with attack)
-impact mantle (aim for head easier with bow)
-temporal
-rocksteady (??? risky)

[Avalon Cherazer]

i use bow as tertiary weapon since i main LBG>HBG>SnS/Hammer/Bow

i mainly use normal shots so lean on crit and normal damage> using a 4 pcs set of kulv for the potions and a safi bow with a gold rathian and gold rath pants> damage is not optimal if i may say so> can be out performed by kjar, but that means free potions, dash juice, might seed, adamant seed, Great sushifish scale and drown the monster in potions.
set has Normal2,Crt3,free meal3,globner3,friendship5, health boost 3 and div protect5. then pump ele and expert with as much as you want.
"drown the monster in potions and it will die"