SAFI GRIND, A NUMOLOGY

[MƏĐJƏĐ]

By Medjed and XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX


Welcome to the new mobile game by Crapcum called “Safi’jiiva Siege”, it is a gacha mobile game with very low drop rates. My partner and I delved deep into the awakening system for the new siege. What you will read is something that shouldn't be done unless you like sitting in front of the smithy for several days in a row. TL:DR just grab a few weapons you like and never undergo this. Please.

One not so faithful day I decided to give myself 5000 of each dracolite material. I then got every weapon that I wanted. This put me at 86 weapons in total. I then undertook the task of max awakening every one of those 86 weapons.The goal of doing this was to find how long it would take to max each individual weapon and the entire set of weapons as a whole.

(If you cry that all this dracolite was cheated in I will disappear your family, I am NOT GONNA FARM THOUSANDS OF DRACOLITE LEGIT FOR A STUPID GOOGLE DOC JUST TO PROVE SOME ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥T NUMBERS.)


Medjed’s results
I started out with
5000 dracolite shards
5000 dracolite
5000 large dracolite
5000 rigid dracolite

I ended with
0 dracolite shards
0 dracolite
1894 large dracolite
4869 rigid bracolite

86 weapons were fully awakened and a total of 98670 points were used.

This massive waste of time spread across all 86 weapons means I had spent around 1148 points per weapon. To put this into perspective this is how many of each material it would take to reach 98670 points.

98670 dracolite shards
19734 dracolite
4934 large dracolite
1974 rigid dracolite

There are 115 total weapons and it takes 1148 points to max 87 of those ( some were repeats ie. i had 3 aquashots). It would take a total of 132020 points to max awaken all weapons. This is a rough estimate and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Slayer’s results
I started out with
2200 rigid dracolite

I ended with
1484 rigid dracolite

I have literally only awakened 24 weapons with 716 rigid dracolite. (rounded to 720 for easier
calculations.) That means I ended up with each weapon costing me a whopping 1500 points to fully max it out. Which means I’d roughly need 172500 points to fully awaken all the weapons with my luck. Isn’t that just fun?

To get a middle ground of points the avg of both these outcomes is 1300 per weapon. That will mean 149500 points would be required to max awaken all weapons.

With these two numbers in mind, now is the time no one was waiting for, time to find out how long this will take.

1300 points divided by average points per P1 is around 12 runs necessary assuming we’re getting 110 points worth of dracolite per P1 (which basically means 12 flawless runs where we break most or all parts and kill Safi first try good luck doing that with randoms)
12 runs multiplied by 115 weapons is around 1380 runs of P1 Safi. Each run can take between 15-20 minutes to complete. If you don’t do a P1 every time it’s even worse.
15x1380=20700/60=345 hours worth of good P1 15 minute runs
17x1380=23460/60=391 hours worth of 17 minute P1 runs
20x1380=27600/60=460 hours worth of 20 minute P1 runs
Now let’s say half of the runs were like P2s or something
345/2=172.5
345+172.5=517.5 hours
391/2=195.5
391+195.5=586.5 hours
460/2=230
460+230=690 hours
Now half the hunts are P3s
345x2=690 hours
391x2=781 hours
460x2=920 hours
FOR REFERENCE a month lasts about 720 hours.

All this information was calculated with the literal thought that all of these runs are perfect P1s or perfect P2s, we cannot include time wasted on failed hunts since it could be a triple cart in 5 minutes or 20 minutes, all I did here was make averages and just make calculations using them, so depend on your experience with randoms or whatever you do to get 4 players in a hunt these numbers could be WAY MORE INSANE or way more reasonable. Your dracolite point luck also depends with that awakening math we did, but that basically shows what happens when you don’t have the figurative luck to roll like 3-5 5 star characters in a single pull of 10 rolls in a gacha game.


Again only go for a few weapons to not ruin your life.


COOL BUG FACTS (not actual in game bugs):
1. It took me over 78 Stored Potential to roll a single Recoil Suppressor on my Bowgun.
2. 89+ Stored Potential for a stupid Teostra Essence on my Shatterblade LS.
3. Medjed required 150 Stored Potential just to get Zorah Essence on his Wide Gunlance.
4. It took Medjed 322 awakening alchemies to drop a single Aquaspear IG.
5. Over 110 Stored Potential for a Teostra Essence on Medjed’s Shatterblade LS.
6. The most Rigid Dracolite I’ve spent to awaken a weapon fully was over 80, THAT IS 4000 ♥♥♥♥ING POINTS.


Here's an additional section to answer questions or statements that may be asked or said.
AKA FREQUENTLY FACEROLLED REBUTTALS.

Q) “What’s the point of this? It’s so unrealistic for the average player?”
A) Yes, this is not something most people will do. This just shows what a crack addict will have to go through to get their fix on collecting, and to also demonstrate how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t the RNG can be.

S) “You did not awaken your weapons correctly. It did not take me 1300 points to awaken mine. This was an inefficient use of dracolite. You need to get any low level awakened abilities first to get the higher ones, this way you'll level the weapon up faster and have a better chance at rare unique abilities and essences. You can change the table of abilities by taking bad ones to change the seed of ability drops”
A) That is what we did, you must’ve been lucky. Secondly I never noticed a pattern like the table for the 87 weapons I did.

S) “You are a cheater you should be banned for adding in your own dracolites.”
A) Ok Doomer

S) “You have ruined the experience for everyone you cheater”
A) We have never likely played with you and we did not change your own account items. Your profile still has value.

S) “You just ruined the fun for yourself you pathetic cheater. Good luck cause you’ll likely just leave the game shortly after this post since you will have nothing else to do.”
A) Since when was grinding fun? Playing with my friends and helping others with the siege legitimately is what's fun. Hunting monsters is fun to do even after grinding. You test new builds and try different things with the tools at your disposal.

S) “Raging brachy and furious monky have better weapons why should anyone even consider doing seige in the first place?”
A) OK LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE CAPCOOMER. First of all they’re not anywhere near better. Sure, some of the brachy weapons have an additional Lvl 3 slot allowing them to slot coalescence, but guess what, coalescence isn’t very consistent. A lot of players usually build for elemental resist or might want stun resist, that means status will rarely if at all proc in the first place rendering coalescence useless in most scenarios(Btw you have to give up Peak Performance for a few hits to even start coalescence..) “Oh but raging brachy weapons have similar damage numbers to fully awakened safi weapons and have more blast.”Firstly the damage numbers are not really similar. All the RBrachy weapons have lower TRaw (true raw is basically the unbloated attack value of a weapon, for reference all but 1 RBrachy weapons have 300 True raw, LBG having 280.) than Blast Safi weapons, fully awakened Safi weapons can have between 280 all the way to 325 True Raw. Weapons like the Shatterbuster for Wide 6 are obviously phased out by the Lightbreak since it has better raw and Wide 7. Although they don’t allow for Safi-Zorah combo builds so keep that in mind. Rajang weapons have too low of a true raw to out-perform the Safi weapons being 280-300 base. This time the weapons with the lower end of TRaw are the melees. No, jang weapons don’t become the new thunder meta, their element is too low to even compete with fully awakened element focused safi weapons. Take the CB for example: 680 Ele vs 970, that’s a massive decrease in total element that the higher raw won’t even come close to covering. AND JANG WEAPONS DON’T REALLY HAVE ANY SLOTS. Those are bloated elements with 5p safi and thunder lvl 6, Safi CB being fully awoken. ALSO there’s people who make Agi 7 Brachy-Teo sets and go like “Oh this is better than Safi '' they don’t understand that Safi weapons can run the exact same build and MAGICALLY start doing more damage again.


S) “By looking at your indepth rant about brachy, you both are pathetic losers that play the game in a rigid Meta based experience and you both are likely not fun to play with.”
A) Bruh we make meme, meta, and comfy builds. The game would be boring if we just stuck to one build. It is both toxic to hate meta builds out right and to hate alternative builds that fit specific personal playstyles even if they are not meta. You can use whatever you want, nobody is going to force a build down your throat. Just don’t claim your off-Meta ToT (Time on Target) set is mathematically better than Meta.

S) “meta is for speedrunners, a large portion of players run builds of their own.”
A) Speedrunners rarely use meta builds, they instead make outlandish gigabrain builds that force the monster to act in a scripted way. Meta builds on the other hand are for the avg player to use and modify if they so desire to try the build out.

Apologies for the rough off tangent answers to meta related statements commonly made by people.

TL:DR just grab a few weapons you like and never undergo this. Please.

numbers are fun

[Edax Rerum]

Originally posted by XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX:

Originally posted by Pepsiman:

First, why the ♥♥♥♥ do you need 86 weapons, I play almost all weapons, and I don't need that much.

Second. Killing 2-4 safi'jiivas (Depending on your awakening luck), you can upgrade one weapon to the max (WIth lbg-hbg is a bit harder because recoil and all that). I killed 24 safi'jiivas, and I have 7 (Or 8, I don't remember) weapons fully augmented, some runs took two fights (So 40 minutes in total, probably less because the second run usually ends in 10-15 minutes), and then I had others were safi died at only one run, because he was already deleveled (10-15 mins), or I killed it with randoms at full energy, 20 minutes for that.

24 safi x 40 minutes (Two hunts) = 960 minutes / 60 minutes = 16 hours (In fact, less than 16 hours because the full energy runs, and the deleveled runs).

Let's say I have 7 weapons and not 8. 7 weapons took me 16 hours.
86 weapons / 7 weapons = 12.3, ok. Let's rise that up to 13, to make it harder, so, 13 runs of 16 hours. Now, 13 runs x 16 hours. Oh, 208 hours to get 86, what a surprise.

Oh, and my friends are having more or less the same luck with the awakenings. So... take your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ calculation to the next planet please, playing a few runs a day, everyone can get what they want from Safi, unless you want all weapons like the strange desire of the OP.

Did you just Gatekeep LUCK?
and I can safely say you probably don't max out every single skill.
HELL we can even give me numbers from our other friends.

Me and my gf killed about 30 Safis. I have 6 bows, 1 CHB and 1 lance awakened, she have 5 horns and 1 hammer awakened.

[MƏĐJƏĐ]

Originally posted by Elemental Seraph:

Originally posted by Araki The Iraqi:

Clearly someone hasn’t done the kulve taroth siege.

She was way worse.

Well, she'll be back, but i would assume capcom has learned something, due to how safi is much easier to grind, so maybe they changed her rewards structure.

though that won't stop cry babies like OP. cause god forbid we have things to do in a game and not just instant gratification.

I didnt do this to complain. It was a morbid curiosity to see how long it would take legit with my luck on awakening rolls for every weapon. I've done kulve. She was more of a pain. Both her and safi are a grind to farm but not unreasonable. I've played the game legitimately up to the point before I had cheated in the dracolite. What if I get things early and can circumvent a process. I can still try different numerous builds on every monster and still play seige with friends and randoms just for fun.

The grind isnt the only thing in the game.

[DancinTeaCup]

Man the COVID-19 quarantine is sapping your sanity quite fast. But honestly this is as close to a pointless experiment as you can get.
You don't need to do this to show how terrible RNG based things are. You can just use two very drunk guys arguing over something as an example.

[MƏĐJƏĐ]

Originally posted by DancinTeaCup:

Man the COVID-19 quarantine is sapping your sanity quite fast. But honestly this is as close to a pointless experiment as you can get.
You don't need to do this to show how terrible RNG based things are. You can just use two very drunk guys arguing over something as an example.

True, it was unreasonable and a journey at the same time.

[langnao]

U can do something similar to "decorations sniping". The order of the roll is always the same till u perform tasks like awaken or fight safi and stored potential. So for example, if u get attack 6 on the 10th roll, instead of wasting material to roll 10 times, u can fight safi and stored potential. I think for every potential u stored, it moved the order 1 up. So if u stored 5, u only need to roll 5 times to get attack 6...
I noticed the order may change abit within the abilities given but generally the order remains the same. More research needed but I used this method to save on materials....

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Originally posted by Medjed:

Originally posted by Elemental Seraph:

Well, she'll be back, but i would assume capcom has learned something, due to how safi is much easier to grind, so maybe they changed her rewards structure.

though that won't stop cry babies like OP. cause god forbid we have things to do in a game and not just instant gratification.

I didnt do this to complain. It was a morbid curiosity to see how long it would take legit with my luck on awakening rolls for every weapon. I've done kulve. She was more of a pain. Both her and safi are a grind to farm but not unreasonable. I've played the game legitimately up to the point before I had cheated in the dracolite. What if I get things early and can circumvent a process. I can still try different numerous builds on every monster and still play seige with friends and randoms just for fun.

The grind isnt the only thing in the game.

A lot more people will call you cry baby with that title or without reading your content lol

[CourtesyFlush09]

Originally posted by Medjed:

I didnt do this to complain. It was a morbid curiosity to see how long it would take legit with my luck on awakening rolls for every weapon. I've done kulve. She was more of a pain. Both her and safi are a grind to farm but not unreasonable. I've played the game legitimately up to the point before I had cheated in the dracolite. What if I get things early and can circumvent a process. I can still try different numerous builds on every monster and still play seige with friends and randoms just for fun.

The grind isnt the only thing in the game.

No. You don't label Safi's grind as "not unreasonable" and then proceed to cheat on dracolite. That's not how logic works.

[Netsa]

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

Originally posted by Medjed:

I didnt do this to complain. It was a morbid curiosity to see how long it would take legit with my luck on awakening rolls for every weapon. I've done kulve. She was more of a pain. Both her and safi are a grind to farm but not unreasonable. I've played the game legitimately up to the point before I had cheated in the dracolite. What if I get things early and can circumvent a process. I can still try different numerous builds on every monster and still play seige with friends and randoms just for fun.

The grind isnt the only thing in the game.

No. You don't label Safi's grind as "not unreasonable" and then proceed to cheat on dracolite. That's not how logic works.

That is kind of how it works when you do it for 86 weapons. What's unreasonable for dozens of weapons won't be for just a couple of weapons.

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Originally posted by myhr2:

I wonder what you call fully awakening a weapon, specifically what are the augments you're aiming at, because that alone will influence the number of points needed. Fully awakening a GS is not the same as awakening a HH or a LBG, and while ranged weapons are arguably harder to awaken, there are also less of them.

I also wonder if you used the following tip : slotting Jewel and Defense augments asap to remove them from the augment pool, very handy to get a specific Set bonus to be offered more often. I'm not talking about changing the seeds, I feel like you know there is a tip, but you misunderstood it for RNG manipulation, when it is pool manipulation, two very different things with very, very different impact.

Instead of going for neutral observations, you only took the hypothesis that would further your argument. Your experimental method is deeply flawed, it's not detailed enough (would be more accurate by establishing awakening goals, like full Attack augments, or 1 specific set bonus and 4 offensive augments, etc, etc...), and frankly, it's based on your mastery of the awakening system, which seems flawed, so...

Too bad, having a more accurate estimation would have been really interesting indeed, but even if we take your "study" at face value...honestly, 720 hours for 115 weapons doesn't seem that bad, I've seen way worse farms because...the truth is, Safi weapons are not needed to play the game, they are just upgrades. More over, you can already enjoy a fully awakened safi weapon after, let's take a high number, 10 hours of farming, and past that point, yeah, maybe only do the siege if you enjou it.

Lastly,I'd like to remember people that we'll get other monsters with future updates (hahem MR Kuvle Taroth). So right now, your best bet is not to mindlessly augment 115 weapons, ok? It's to awaken a couple ones, half a dozen maybe, then just keep farming as long as you enjoy it, whithout burning yourself out, to store dracolite, and see what's in the future. Safi siege will rotate in and out. you don't need to farm it 24 hours a day for three weeks. First, as I said, you'll burn out yourself, the same that many people did with KT, second, unlike KT, you don't need to hit the jackpot like with Glutton or Taroth Fire, you only need to drop the good unawakened weapon first, and the rest will come along.

Really, what would have been much more interesting is to calculate the odds of getting the one weapon you want, say, Aquashot for exemple, but I suspect the resutls would have been much less dramatic.

Removing 2 skills from a giant diluted loot pool of essences didn't really help at all, and by the time I was grinding the essence I already had all the other skills necessary, I would really like to see if you can make a better experiment without using Steam Forum logic, I have never said getting all the weapons takes 720 hours, so I can tell you skipped over my time math. Typical.
And since I can clearly tell you think this is a completely serious post go back and read the entire thing AGAIN.

The weapons that weren't so bad to augment were the ones that just stack all attack skills.

[cruste]

Originally posted by langnao:

U can do something similar to "decorations sniping". The order of the roll is always the same till u perform tasks like awaken or fight safi and stored potential. So for example, if u get attack 6 on the 10th roll, instead of wasting material to roll 10 times, u can fight safi and stored potential. I think for every potential u stored, it moved the order 1 up. So if u stored 5, u only need to roll 5 times to get attack 6...
I noticed the order may change abit within the abilities given but generally the order remains the same. More research needed but I used this method to save on materials....

i thought decosniping was fixed in iceborne and it always was the most redarded way to cheat

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Originally posted by Juliane_L:

Medjed is winner/loser new account. so a know troll.
if you want a proof, i could bump one of winner/loser tread and you will see he changed his acount.

Before arguing or calling someone out over complete bs, please please go back to school to learn some BASIC SENTENCE STRUCTURING.

Besides if your bird brain thinks this is looser take a look at this post dumbass https://steamcommunity.com/app/582010/discussions/0/1863867579004646904/

[Juliane_L]

Originally posted by XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX:

Originally posted by Juliane_L:

Medjed is winner/loser new account. so a know troll.
if you want a proof, i could bump one of winner/loser tread and you will see he changed his acount.

Before arguing or calling someone out over complete bs, please please go back to school to learn some BASIC SENTENCE STRUCTURING.

Besides if your bird brain thinks this is looser take a look at this post dumbass https://steamcommunity.com/app/582010/discussions/0/1863867579004646904/

yeah, sory, deleted my post almost instantly after realizing my error.
i agree i was stupid. my apologies.

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Originally posted by Juliane_L:

Originally posted by XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX:

Before arguing or calling someone out over complete bs, please please go back to school to learn some BASIC SENTENCE STRUCTURING.

Besides if your bird brain thinks this is looser take a look at this post dumbass https://steamcommunity.com/app/582010/discussions/0/1863867579004646904/

yeah, sory, deleted my post almost instantly after realizing my error.
i agree i was stupid. my apologies.

No worries bruh