SAFI GRIND, A NUMOLOGY

[MƏĐJƏĐ]

By Medjed and XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX


Welcome to the new mobile game by Crapcum called “Safi’jiiva Siege”, it is a gacha mobile game with very low drop rates. My partner and I delved deep into the awakening system for the new siege. What you will read is something that shouldn't be done unless you like sitting in front of the smithy for several days in a row. TL:DR just grab a few weapons you like and never undergo this. Please.

One not so faithful day I decided to give myself 5000 of each dracolite material. I then got every weapon that I wanted. This put me at 86 weapons in total. I then undertook the task of max awakening every one of those 86 weapons.The goal of doing this was to find how long it would take to max each individual weapon and the entire set of weapons as a whole.

(If you cry that all this dracolite was cheated in I will disappear your family, I am NOT GONNA FARM THOUSANDS OF DRACOLITE LEGIT FOR A STUPID GOOGLE DOC JUST TO PROVE SOME ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥T NUMBERS.)


Medjed’s results
I started out with
5000 dracolite shards
5000 dracolite
5000 large dracolite
5000 rigid dracolite

I ended with
0 dracolite shards
0 dracolite
1894 large dracolite
4869 rigid bracolite

86 weapons were fully awakened and a total of 98670 points were used.

This massive waste of time spread across all 86 weapons means I had spent around 1148 points per weapon. To put this into perspective this is how many of each material it would take to reach 98670 points.

98670 dracolite shards
19734 dracolite
4934 large dracolite
1974 rigid dracolite

There are 115 total weapons and it takes 1148 points to max 87 of those ( some were repeats ie. i had 3 aquashots). It would take a total of 132020 points to max awaken all weapons. This is a rough estimate and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Slayer’s results
I started out with
2200 rigid dracolite

I ended with
1484 rigid dracolite

I have literally only awakened 24 weapons with 716 rigid dracolite. (rounded to 720 for easier
calculations.) That means I ended up with each weapon costing me a whopping 1500 points to fully max it out. Which means I’d roughly need 172500 points to fully awaken all the weapons with my luck. Isn’t that just fun?

To get a middle ground of points the avg of both these outcomes is 1300 per weapon. That will mean 149500 points would be required to max awaken all weapons.

With these two numbers in mind, now is the time no one was waiting for, time to find out how long this will take.

1300 points divided by average points per P1 is around 12 runs necessary assuming we’re getting 110 points worth of dracolite per P1 (which basically means 12 flawless runs where we break most or all parts and kill Safi first try good luck doing that with randoms)
12 runs multiplied by 115 weapons is around 1380 runs of P1 Safi. Each run can take between 15-20 minutes to complete. If you don’t do a P1 every time it’s even worse.
15x1380=20700/60=345 hours worth of good P1 15 minute runs
17x1380=23460/60=391 hours worth of 17 minute P1 runs
20x1380=27600/60=460 hours worth of 20 minute P1 runs
Now let’s say half of the runs were like P2s or something
345/2=172.5
345+172.5=517.5 hours
391/2=195.5
391+195.5=586.5 hours
460/2=230
460+230=690 hours
Now half the hunts are P3s
345x2=690 hours
391x2=781 hours
460x2=920 hours
FOR REFERENCE a month lasts about 720 hours.

All this information was calculated with the literal thought that all of these runs are perfect P1s or perfect P2s, we cannot include time wasted on failed hunts since it could be a triple cart in 5 minutes or 20 minutes, all I did here was make averages and just make calculations using them, so depend on your experience with randoms or whatever you do to get 4 players in a hunt these numbers could be WAY MORE INSANE or way more reasonable. Your dracolite point luck also depends with that awakening math we did, but that basically shows what happens when you don’t have the figurative luck to roll like 3-5 5 star characters in a single pull of 10 rolls in a gacha game.


Again only go for a few weapons to not ruin your life.


COOL BUG FACTS (not actual in game bugs):
1. It took me over 78 Stored Potential to roll a single Recoil Suppressor on my Bowgun.
2. 89+ Stored Potential for a stupid Teostra Essence on my Shatterblade LS.
3. Medjed required 150 Stored Potential just to get Zorah Essence on his Wide Gunlance.
4. It took Medjed 322 awakening alchemies to drop a single Aquaspear IG.
5. Over 110 Stored Potential for a Teostra Essence on Medjed’s Shatterblade LS.
6. The most Rigid Dracolite I’ve spent to awaken a weapon fully was over 80, THAT IS 4000 ♥♥♥♥ING POINTS.


Here's an additional section to answer questions or statements that may be asked or said.
AKA FREQUENTLY FACEROLLED REBUTTALS.

Q) “What’s the point of this? It’s so unrealistic for the average player?”
A) Yes, this is not something most people will do. This just shows what a crack addict will have to go through to get their fix on collecting, and to also demonstrate how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t the RNG can be.

S) “You did not awaken your weapons correctly. It did not take me 1300 points to awaken mine. This was an inefficient use of dracolite. You need to get any low level awakened abilities first to get the higher ones, this way you'll level the weapon up faster and have a better chance at rare unique abilities and essences. You can change the table of abilities by taking bad ones to change the seed of ability drops”
A) That is what we did, you must’ve been lucky. Secondly I never noticed a pattern like the table for the 87 weapons I did.

S) “You are a cheater you should be banned for adding in your own dracolites.”
A) Ok Doomer

S) “You have ruined the experience for everyone you cheater”
A) We have never likely played with you and we did not change your own account items. Your profile still has value.

S) “You just ruined the fun for yourself you pathetic cheater. Good luck cause you’ll likely just leave the game shortly after this post since you will have nothing else to do.”
A) Since when was grinding fun? Playing with my friends and helping others with the siege legitimately is what's fun. Hunting monsters is fun to do even after grinding. You test new builds and try different things with the tools at your disposal.

S) “Raging brachy and furious monky have better weapons why should anyone even consider doing seige in the first place?”
A) OK LISTEN HERE YOU LITTLE CAPCOOMER. First of all they’re not anywhere near better. Sure, some of the brachy weapons have an additional Lvl 3 slot allowing them to slot coalescence, but guess what, coalescence isn’t very consistent. A lot of players usually build for elemental resist or might want stun resist, that means status will rarely if at all proc in the first place rendering coalescence useless in most scenarios(Btw you have to give up Peak Performance for a few hits to even start coalescence..) “Oh but raging brachy weapons have similar damage numbers to fully awakened safi weapons and have more blast.”Firstly the damage numbers are not really similar. All the RBrachy weapons have lower TRaw (true raw is basically the unbloated attack value of a weapon, for reference all but 1 RBrachy weapons have 300 True raw, LBG having 280.) than Blast Safi weapons, fully awakened Safi weapons can have between 280 all the way to 325 True Raw. Weapons like the Shatterbuster for Wide 6 are obviously phased out by the Lightbreak since it has better raw and Wide 7. Although they don’t allow for Safi-Zorah combo builds so keep that in mind. Rajang weapons have too low of a true raw to out-perform the Safi weapons being 280-300 base. This time the weapons with the lower end of TRaw are the melees. No, jang weapons don’t become the new thunder meta, their element is too low to even compete with fully awakened element focused safi weapons. Take the CB for example: 680 Ele vs 970, that’s a massive decrease in total element that the higher raw won’t even come close to covering. AND JANG WEAPONS DON’T REALLY HAVE ANY SLOTS. Those are bloated elements with 5p safi and thunder lvl 6, Safi CB being fully awoken. ALSO there’s people who make Agi 7 Brachy-Teo sets and go like “Oh this is better than Safi '' they don’t understand that Safi weapons can run the exact same build and MAGICALLY start doing more damage again.


S) “By looking at your indepth rant about brachy, you both are pathetic losers that play the game in a rigid Meta based experience and you both are likely not fun to play with.”
A) Bruh we make meme, meta, and comfy builds. The game would be boring if we just stuck to one build. It is both toxic to hate meta builds out right and to hate alternative builds that fit specific personal playstyles even if they are not meta. You can use whatever you want, nobody is going to force a build down your throat. Just don’t claim your off-Meta ToT (Time on Target) set is mathematically better than Meta.

S) “meta is for speedrunners, a large portion of players run builds of their own.”
A) Speedrunners rarely use meta builds, they instead make outlandish gigabrain builds that force the monster to act in a scripted way. Meta builds on the other hand are for the avg player to use and modify if they so desire to try the build out.

Apologies for the rough off tangent answers to meta related statements commonly made by people.

TL:DR just grab a few weapons you like and never undergo this. Please.

numbers are fun

[Whalington]

Too long, didn't read, my brain small anyways

[mewlynx]

Originally posted by Medjed:

TL:DR just grab a few weapons you like and never undergo this. Please. The formatting

Way ahead of you

[mewlynx]

Also on a sidenote, why is true raw important when comparing weapons? I know true raw doesn't factor things like affinity or sharpness, but aren't those important considering those are relevant in-hunt?

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Originally posted by maelynx:

Also on a sidenote, why is true raw important when comparing weapons? I know true raw doesn't factor things like affinity or sharpness, but aren't those important considering those are relevant in-hunt?

Safi has more affinity and you can set your Safi weapons to have purple, guess what they are still better.

[YCH Furry]

Could always make a back up save before spending tons of dracolites and reload it again if rng wasnt generous to you the first time

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Originally posted by Bluest Bear ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ:

Could always make a back up save before spending tons of dracolites and reload it again if rng wasnt generous to you the first time

Save Scumming still takes a long ass time to do if you don't have good luck. Besides it can get soul crushing after a few times.

[CourtesyFlush09]

I feel like all these people who complain about the Safi grind never fought KT.

[MƏĐJƏĐ]

Originally posted by Bluest Bear ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ:

Could always make a back up save before spending tons of dracolites and reload it again if rng wasnt generous to you the first time

I did consider save scumming but for most cases I had already put in time into the rolling before I noticed that the desired results may take long to get. I just kinda brute forced it by auto filling dracolite into the awakening. I didint have much to do outside of playing the game where I would be in any place to be rushed.

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

I feel like all these people who complain about the Safi grind never fought KT.

Since I've done a couple hundred of KT hunts I can easily say KT was much easier to farm, even if the weapon pool was more diluted.

[Xedhadeaus]

That's kind of what it is designed for... Get the last hoorah out of players with a long committed limited time gateway to fantastic power. Things like armor skills, extensive stat augments etc.

Kulve was the same way. I honestly don't blame players for cheating things they could not do alone. Kind of reminds me of Pokémon. A lot of people owned a cheating device just for that.

Thanks for the info. I'm just happy the safi fight is a fight and not a chase like kulve.

[CourtesyFlush09]

Originally posted by XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX:

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

I feel like all these people who complain about the Safi grind never fought KT.

Since I've done a couple hundred of KT hunts I can easily say KT was much easier to farm, even if the weapon pool was more diluted.

Dang. Really? That's honestly surprising. Everyone was saying that Safi was better and a more focused grinding experience.

[Whalington]

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

I feel like all these people who complain about the Safi grind never fought KT.

KT was much easier to farm, there wasnt any of this awakening abilities bs that just requires even more time spent on fighting safi and getting dracolites

[mewlynx]

Originally posted by XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX:

Originally posted by maelynx:

Also on a sidenote, why is true raw important when comparing weapons? I know true raw doesn't factor things like affinity or sharpness, but aren't those important considering those are relevant in-hunt?

Safi has more affinity and you can set your Safi weapons to have purple, guess what they are still better.

This didn't really answer my question, but okay. I understand Safi weapons are still better with the right set up, I'm not trying to argue that.

[Sin]

Originally posted by Whalington:

Originally posted by CourtesyFlush90:

I feel like all these people who complain about the Safi grind never fought KT.

KT was much easier to farm, there wasnt any of this awakening abilities bs that just requires even more time spent on fighting safi and getting dracolites

Haha, yet.... Coming to a fiery cave near you, the event of the summer... KTGrindAgain!
Awaken those scrubby KT weapons in our all new grindfest!

Only available for a limited time, batteries not included.

[XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX]

Originally posted by maelynx:

Originally posted by XXX_SniperSlayer42069_XXX:

Safi has more affinity and you can set your Safi weapons to have purple, guess what they are still better.

This didn't really answer my question, but okay. I understand Safi weapons are still better with the right set up, I'm not trying to argue that.

True raw is important if both weapons have similar affinity and similar sharpness.