longsword hate

[donjohnson8]

serious question. why does everyone talk down about longsword users? i have played most of the weapons a fair amount of time on this game and the longsword users never mess me up. and no i don't use flintch free but no one ever talks bad about hbg cluster bomb, charge blade, hammer, duel blades and so on. almost every hunt that has a hammer are charge blade user, i get sent flying if i'm using a melee weapon. i use hammer and charge blade quite a bit and its easy to give people room and not send them flying. and i'm not gonna get into how many hbg users use cluster bomb in multiplayer. is the longsword really a problem? because i just don't see it

[Washing Machine]

Brace+Vitality exists now. I really don't see why we act like your entire build needs a rehaul just to slap on a massive QOL skill. I already sacrifice an inventory slot for Dust of Life and I often do certain quests just when Insurance is available at the canteen, equipping one skill is nothing. Oh no, I lost one level of Agitator? My precious +4 damage!

If you're doing co-op with randoms and the random LS user is an issue, you really aren't in any situation where you should worry that much about your turbo min max build anyway. The team isn't going to play flawlessly and break a world record, don't worry about it.

As fun as it is to meme about LS users, weapon choice doesn't tell much about player skill. See: Hammer users talking nonstop in here about how everyone else needs to play properly, only to meet them ingame and see them start bonking at Zino's tail after a wallbang knockdown.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Pay:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

You tell me to stay out of the way because you dont want to slot brace, but then tell me to slot brace. Make up your mind.

But you're the one to tell me not to change build because others should reposition themselves. Advise please.

1 longsword =/= 13 other weapons, if longsword can trip every other weapon, then long sword users need to change, not the 13 other weapons. Or do longsword mains somehow see a "the whole crew goes down with the ship" thing.

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Originally posted by JPM岩:

1 longsword =/= 13 other weapons, if longsword can trip every other weapon, then long sword users need to change, not the 13 other weapons. Or do longsword mains somehow see a "the whole crew goes down with the ship" thing.

After 400+ hunts with lance, with some build with brace and some without, I can see these 5 weapons, especially LS, DB, SA, CB, IG were flinching me, not exclusive to LS. So what now?
Here's the funny thing. There are more LS main, hence higher chance of seeing LS tripping others.
Even some bow ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ keep using force shot, flinching me knowing that my character is just going to block all their damage.

The only weapons that I rarely see them tripping others are HH, Hammer, SNS, LBG/HBG (without cluster), and lance.

If we're following your advice, those 5 weapon users (LS, DB, SA, CB, IG) need to change.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Pay:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

1 longsword =/= 13 other weapons, if longsword can trip every other weapon, then long sword users need to change, not the 13 other weapons. Or do longsword mains somehow see a "the whole crew goes down with the ship" thing.

After 400+ hunts with lance, with some build with brace and some without, I can see these 5 weapons, especially LS, DB, SA, CB, IG were flinching me, not exclusive to LS. So what now?
Here's the funny thing. There are more LS main, hence higher chance of seeing LS tripping others.
Even some bow ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ keep using force shot, flinching me knowing that my character is just going to block all their damage.

The only weapons that I rarely see them tripping others are HH, Hammer, SNS, LBG/HBG (without cluster), and lance.

If we're following your advice, those 5 weapon users (LS, DB, SA, CB, IG) need to change.

LS users are 20% of the player base. That's 1/5 (one fifth) of the PC playerbase, which means statistically, on average, the active PC userbase has approx 40,000 LS users in game per hour. LS has more users than DB, SA, IG, and I'm pretty sure CB combined. LS needs to change.

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Originally posted by JPM岩:

LS users are 20% of the player base. That's 1/5 (one fifth) of the PC playerbase, which means statistically, on average, the active PC userbase has approx 40,000 LS users in game per hour. LS has more users than DB, SA, IG, and I'm pretty sure CB combined. LS needs to change.

Yet they flinch me equally (Not in terms of average userbase, but in game).
Give me 3 LS teammates and they flinch me.
Give me 3 DB teammates and they flinch me.
Give me 3 SA teammates and they flinch me.
Give me 3 IG teammates and they flinch me.

So it is fine if other weapons are flinching me?

[Vandals[UK]]

Originally posted by Tenko:

Easiest weapon in the game series(Most used) + Flinches = Most Obnoxious. Nothing is more obnoxious than getting flinched by a low skill weapon, WHILE USING high skill weapons.

My friend group banned Long swords since Tri on the Wii.

In MHW, only those who doesn't understand LongSword thinks it is a low skill weapon.

1. Foresight Slash is a counter to monster's attack, but the invincible windows is 0.6 second by default. With this timing window, you'll need to understand the monster's move flow in (when) and flow out (how many hits).

2. The new Iai Spirit Slash have a stricter window of somewhere between 0.01 to 0.05 second. Again, timed it correctly, you countered a monster's attack with no damage. Messed it up = damage straight to your face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfvtOjcdalM

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by VandalsUK:

Originally posted by Tenko:

Easiest weapon in the game series(Most used) + Flinches = Most Obnoxious. Nothing is more obnoxious than getting flinched by a low skill weapon, WHILE USING high skill weapons.

My friend group banned Long swords since Tri on the Wii.

In MHW, only those who doesn't understand LongSword thinks it is a low skill weapon.

1. Foresight Slash is a counter to monster's attack, but the invincible windows is 0.6 second by default. With this timing window, you'll need to understand the monster's move flow in (when) and flow out (for how many hits).

2. The new Iai Spirit Slash have a stricter window of somewhere between 0.01 to 0.05 second. Again, timed it correctly, you countered a monster's attack with no damage. Messed it up = damage straight to your face.

LongSword is NOT a popular weapon amongst speed runners. Not because it is easy, but because it is too technical. A tiny error will result in 3 - 15 second increase to the overall hunting time.

LS isnt popular in speedruns because it has low damage.

[Nia夕莉]

Originally posted by Pay:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

LS users are 20% of the player base. That's 1/5 (one fifth) of the PC playerbase, which means statistically, on average, the active PC userbase has approx 40,000 LS users in game per hour. LS has more users than DB, SA, IG, and I'm pretty sure CB combined. LS needs to change.

Yet they flinch me equally (Not in terms of average userbase, but in game).
Give me 3 LS teammates and they flinch me.
Give me 3 DB teammates and they flinch me.
Give me 3 SA teammates and they flinch me.
Give me 3 IG teammates and they flinch me.

So it is fine if other weapons are flinching me?

yea this too i started playing bow recently i notice even LBG (that were stand behind me) also flinch me as well also SA and such so it's not just LS

[TormentedSalad]

The longsword hate is more of a joke at this point there are bad longsword players for sure and we can use flinch free if your weapon has issues with it. People don't complain about clusters because I would imagine most people have enough brain cells to not spam clusters when playing with people who would be knocked about.

That being said there are some people who lack those brain cells and I will immediately kick anyone in my quest playing clusters.

[L:D]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Originally posted by VandalsUK:

In MHW, only those who doesn't understand LongSword thinks it is a low skill weapon.

1. Foresight Slash is a counter to monster's attack, but the invincible windows is 0.6 second by default. With this timing window, you'll need to understand the monster's move flow in (when) and flow out (for how many hits).

2. The new Iai Spirit Slash have a stricter window of somewhere between 0.01 to 0.05 second. Again, timed it correctly, you countered a monster's attack with no damage. Messed it up = damage straight to your face.

LongSword is NOT a popular weapon amongst speed runners. Not because it is easy, but because it is too technical. A tiny error will result in 3 - 15 second increase to the overall hunting time.

LS isnt popular in speedruns because it has low damage.

?

[♋Phenex]

Originally posted by L:D:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

LS isnt popular in speedruns because it has low damage.

? :lunar2019laughingpig:

Sure LS isnt as fast as broken weapons like hbg or bow but it's still pretty popular and fairly amazing to watch clean LS speedruns.

[Brig]

As a GL long main. LS ppl are fine but waay too many SA hunters ive encountered complained getting flinched by me and i ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY used charged shell attack in multiplayer. move away from that one hindleg im targeting pls instead of launching me during midhunt as payback SA ppl.

[Magnussen]

It is pretty easy. People do not know how to play in MHW but they think that they are the best. So, they don't waste a decoration in Flinch Free and they would rather prefer to complain. They don't understand the logic behind that decoration and that they joined a multiplayer sesion (or SOS) and what it means. These people just want some attention "oh poor little guy".

Bah, whenever I play without FF for whatever reason, if I get finched I know that it is my fault so, instead of coming to Steam to cry like a little baby, I simply laugh at it when it happens and enjoy the game.

To sum up, I don't agree it is because of the large number of longsword users, but due to the large number of people not knowing some basics and what they are doing, and that like to complain in the real life instead of admiting that they are wrong.

[Kensei]

Originally posted by maelynx:

LS has super wide sweeps that trip everyone without flinch free, so people get salty. Also LS is attributed to weebs, so that doesn't help the image.

So Dual Blades aren't weeb weapon? I mean Demon Mode has to be the most edgy skill name in the entire game.

[Brig]

Originally posted by Magnussen:

It is pretty easy. People do not know how to play in MHW but they think that they are the best. So, they don't waste a decoration in Flinch Free and they would rather prefer to complain. They don't understand the logic behind that decoration and that they joined a multiplayer sesion (or SOS) and what it means. These people just want some attention "oh poor little guy".

Bah, whenever I play without FF for whatever reason, if I get finched I know that it is my fault so, instead of coming to Steam to cry like a little baby, I simply laugh at it when it happens and enjoy the game.

To sum up, I don't agree it is because of the large number of longsword users, but due to the large number of people not knowing some basics and what they are doing, and that like to complain in the real life instead of admiting that they are wrong.

prepare to laugh millions of time then, joker.