Taroth Strongarm "Water" better than "Horn"????

[ValiusRZ]

As a charge blade main or usually known as Diablos Tyrannis II cult member (or Taroth "Horn"), watching impact phial for 1000 quests+ is so boring. HOWEVER, something happenned. My friend mentioned that he got Taroth Strongarm "Water". Actually, the stat is not that bad with natural white sharpness and 20% affinity.

I got curious and tested my build in training ground (just usual drachen build, damascus mail like GS build but with flood charm 3, focus 3, capacity boost, and guard 1). No need artillery because it DOES NOT affect element phial damage.

The overall result for the damage test is actually much better than Strongarm "Horn" because it has 100% affinity and 3 crit boost. Compared to Taroth "Horn", which only has blue sharpness and max 80% affinity, "Horn" damage is actually lower than "Water". As for phial damage, "Water" deals 117 damage a phial while "Horn" only deals 80-ish damage.

"Horn" physical damage (white sharp, crit) is only 1 or 2 damage higher than "Water" physical damage (white sharp, crit) in sword mode. While "Horn" SAED physical damage (white, crit) is 20-40 damage higher than "Water" SAED physical damage (whtie, crit). This difference surprised me because it is so small. I even double checked my "Horn" build to confirm if I have equipped a NE-boost jewel or not. So in conclusion, "Horn" 80% affinity and that its sharpness can be reduced to green seems inferior than my "Water" build on training pole.

I know impact phial area is more concentrated and makes it easier to hit all phials. But after a few tries on Teo (3 star water weakness) I feel like "Water" has more damage output. Especially on KT, I can definitely tell my damage is way higher than "Horn" damage. Besides that, with drachen master touch, "Water" will stay on white while "Horn" sometimes can reach green. Definitely I feel like "Water" is much stronger than "Horn" if you fight Teo and KT. Haven't tested with other monsters.

The most important thing is that JUICY ELEMENT PHIAL ANIMATION. So damn satisfying to see those water eruption to trip a monster.

TL:DR Damage tested in training ground pole proves Taroth Strongarm "Water" > "Horn". Few tries on KT and Teo shows significant damage improvement too.

Note: My "Horn" CB build is the same with one of the META build u can find in internet.

[Xilo The Odd]

i've been lazy about damage nd have been using the luna nergi CB with a health augment on it. good damage, blast, and no potions needed. ever.

[JPM岩]

Horn is still better, especially if you get it to White Sharpness and give it Non Elemental Boost

[ValiusRZ]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Horn is still better, especially if you get it to White Sharpness and give it Non Elemental Boost

Actually no, I tested the physical damage with white sharpness "Horn" build. Besides that, to reach white sharpness, u need to sacrifice your affinity to around 50% with WEX. I updated my post about the physical damage on training pole to explain.

[𝓇𝒾𝓃𝒶𝒶𝒶𝒶𝒶]

Originally posted by ValiusRZ:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

Horn is still better, especially if you get it to White Sharpness and give it Non Elemental Boost

Actually no, I tested the physical damage with white sharpness "Horn" build. Besides that, to reach white sharpness, u need to sacrifice your affinity to around 50% with WEX. I updated my post about the physical damage on training pole to explain.

CB is about SAED and phials don't care about affinity nor weak-spots, plus chad-blos has impact to KO. Until we get AT-Kulve, elemental CB are inferior in every way to Chad-blos.

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by Lumika:

Originally posted by ValiusRZ:

Actually no, I tested the physical damage with white sharpness "Horn" build. Besides that, to reach white sharpness, u need to sacrifice your affinity to around 50% with WEX. I updated my post about the physical damage on training pole to explain.

CB is about SAED and phials don't care about affinity nor weak-spots, plus chad-blos has impact to KO. Until we get AT-Kulve, elemental CB are inferior in every way to Chad-blos.

cept Jho, dont care about stats it is the best looking elemental CB currently out.

[𝓇𝒾𝓃𝒶𝒶𝒶𝒶𝒶]

Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

Originally posted by Lumika:

CB is about SAED and phials don't care about affinity nor weak-spots, plus chad-blos has impact to KO. Until we get AT-Kulve, elemental CB are inferior in every way to Chad-blos.

cept Jho, dont care about stats it is the best looking elemental CB currently out.

Well the thread is about DPS and not what's the best looking, everyone has their favorite looking weapon, that doesn't mean it will be meta.

[30 лет :D]

Originally posted by Lumika:

Originally posted by Xilo The Odd:

cept Jho, dont care about stats it is the best looking elemental CB currently out.

Well the thread is about DPS and not what's the best looking, everyone has their favorite looking weapon, that doesn't mean it will be meta.

it is meta fashion

[Hammer Of Evil]

so op, you can't hope to have any meaningful discussion about this 'horn' cb vs 'water' cb topic until you post what builds you're using. that'll allow actual discussion about it instead of

NUH UH

YUH HUH

type arguments. =)

[Mano]

Taroth Strongarm "Water" CAN be a viable alternative depending on the monster if you build it right. And for high rank that's all of... teo and maybe urugaan? (Let's be honest no one hunts lavasioth if they don't have to).

Set for the Water CB, you can look up the number of meta Diablos CB sets.

https://honeyhunterworld.com/mhwb/?691,118,72,107,105,107,14,health,0,0,90,0,0,90,49,0,30,30,5,90,16,0,14,0,0,52,0,0,3

Otherwise the meta sets for Diablos CB are best because you don't need to hit weak spots on the phials to do the best damage, it's a flat number across the monster. Also, increased affinity only helps with the axe and sword swings, and thats only if you are hitting weak zones (which you should with the lvl 4 behemoths set bonus and white sharpness).

[Xilo The Odd]

Originally posted by Hammer of Evil:

so op, you can't hope to have any meaningful discussion about this 'horn' cb vs 'water' cb topic until you post what builds you're using. that'll allow actual discussion about it instead of

NUH UH

YUH HUH

type arguments. =)

NUH UH he doent need to post builds!

[ValiusRZ]

Originally posted by Lumika:

Originally posted by ValiusRZ:

Actually no, I tested the physical damage with white sharpness "Horn" build. Besides that, to reach white sharpness, u need to sacrifice your affinity to around 50% with WEX. I updated my post about the physical damage on training pole to explain.

CB is about SAED and phials don't care about affinity nor weak-spots, plus chad-blos has impact to KO. Until we get AT-Kulve, elemental CB are inferior in every way to Chad-blos.

Of course when we talk about CB, people will think about SAED. But dont forget how we build those juicy SAED. We need to *tickle* the monster with our tiny sword mode

Even on SAED, it is not all about phial. If u hit SAED correctly, u will have 2 HUGE physical attack and 6 phials attack. Those physical attack if hit on weak point can deal up to 700 total damage (Crit). But if u hit it on non weak point, u will only deal about max. 400 total damage (Crit).

So, do affinity and weak spots matter on CB? Definitely. It's just we dont pay to those little attention when all we do is just spamming SAED :D.

[ValiusRZ]

Originally posted by Mano:

Taroth Strongarm "Water" CAN be a viable alternative depending on the monster if you build it right. And for high rank that's all of... teo and maybe urugaan? (Let's be honest no one hunts lavasioth if they don't have to).

Set for the Water CB, you can look up the number of meta Diablos CB sets.

https://honeyhunterworld.com/mhwb/?691,118,72,107,105,107,14,health,0,0,90,0,0,90,49,0,30,30,5,90,16,0,14,0,0,52,0,0,3

Otherwise the meta sets for Diablos CB are best because you don't need to hit weak spots on the phials to do the best damage, it's a flat number across the monster. Also, increased affinity only helps with the axe and sword swings, and thats only if you are hitting weak zones (which you should with the lvl 4 behemoths set bonus and white sharpness).

I agree that Diablos CB is still the best general build for all monster. But I just want to point out that Taroth "Water" can out-DPS Diablos CB on few matchups, e.g. Teo and KT as I have only tested those. Especially on KT, even with only 2 stars weakness, the phial deal 140 damage if u placed it correctly. (and so ♥♥♥♥♥♥' satisfying to slap KT with those water eruption)

[ValiusRZ]

Originally posted by Hammer of Evil:

so op, you can't hope to have any meaningful discussion about this 'horn' cb vs 'water' cb topic until you post what builds you're using. that'll allow actual discussion about it instead of

NUH UH

YUH HUH

type arguments. =)

Well my build is on my post but just not detailed. Here are my detailed CB set:

Water CB: (same with Mano)
https://honeyhunterworld.com/mhwb/?691,118,72,107,105,107,14,health,0,0,90,0,0,90,49,0,30,30,5,90,16,0,14,0,0,52,0,0,3

Blos CB: (one of those two)
https://honeyhunterworld.com/mhwb/?330,119,72,107,107,100,65,aff,health,0,0,0,0,14,26,0,4,4,4,90,52,0,5,5,0,5,49,0,3

https://honeyhunterworld.com/mhwb/?330,119,72,79,70,108,83,aff,health,0,0,0,0,90,26,0,4,4,4,5,0,0,5,5,5,52,49,0,2

I change a few decos depending on matchup, e.g. Lunastra as WEX is basically useless against her.
Based on these builds, Taroth "Water" deals more physical damage (sword and axe swing attack) than Blos CB

[♋Phenex]

Lunastra is weaker to ice than water so Blos is probably still better there.

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by ♋Show me de wei:

Lunastra is weaker to ice than water so Blos is probably still better there.

Why would anyone with more than 6 brain cells ever use Awakening on Blos weapons