Are HBG Shield and Guard skill the same things?

[Alby]

So if I have 2 Shields and 3 Guard I'll reach Guard lv 5?

[Zplayer96]

no they're separate

[Alby]

Originally posted by Zplayer96:

no they're separate

ok, what's the differences?
doesn't one shield and guard lv 5 + guard up allow me to block everything?
or shield it's like free element?

[Zplayer96]

Originally posted by Alby:

Originally posted by Zplayer96:

no they're separate

ok, what's the differences?
doesn't one shield and guard lv 5 + guard up allow me to block everything?
or shield it's like free element?

3 shield mods on your bowgun makes your actual shield stronger just like a lance shied whereas the guard skill reduces stamina depletion when blocking and the impact itslef, so basically if you have guard 5 it will make you block strong attacks while losing a little stamina and health and guard-up ofcourse allows you to block unblockable attacks

[Alby]

Originally posted by Zplayer96:

Originally posted by Alby:

ok, what's the differences?
doesn't one shield and guard lv 5 + guard up allow me to block everything?
or shield it's like free element?

3 shield mods on your bowgun makes your actual shield stronger just like a lance shied whereas the guard skill reduces stamina depletion when blocking and the impact itslef, so basically if you have guard 5 it will make you block string attacks while losing a little stamina and health and guard-up ofcourse allows you to block unblockable attacks

so guard skill follow a different rules on HBGs right?

[Zplayer96]

Originally posted by Alby:

Originally posted by Zplayer96:

3 shield mods on your bowgun makes your actual shield stronger just like a lance shied whereas the guard skill reduces stamina depletion when blocking and the impact itslef, so basically if you have guard 5 it will make you block string attacks while losing a little stamina and health and guard-up ofcourse allows you to block unblockable attacks

so guard skill follow a different rules on HBGs right?

No its the same across the board, it will reduce the impact of attacks and stamina depletion when blocking no matter what shielded weapon you're using ( HBG, Lance, CB and Gunlance )

[Alby]

Originally posted by Zplayer96:

Originally posted by Alby:

so guard skill follow a different rules on HBGs right?

No its the same across the board, it will reduce the impact of attacks and stamina depletion when blocking no matter what shielded weapon you're using ( HBG, Lance, CB and Gunlance )

sorry, i think i'm stupid...
what's the point of having shield lv 3 if you have guard lv 5..
doesn't guard lv 5 allow you to block every move except for unblockable attacks?
or HBG can surpass the block of lances/glances.. becoming UNSTOPPABLE?

[Zplayer96]

Originally posted by Alby:

Originally posted by Zplayer96:

No its the same across the board, it will reduce the impact of attacks and stamina depletion when blocking no matter what shielded weapon you're using ( HBG, Lance, CB and Gunlance )

sorry, i think i'm stupid...
what's the point of having shield lv 3 if you have guard lv 5..
or HBG can surpass the block of lances/glances.. becoming UNSTOPPABLE?

Because with 3 shield mods on your HBG your shield will be as strong as a lance shield, meaning you'll be pretty tanky, however if you only have one shield mod on your HBG then your actual shield will be weak even if you have guard 5 it won't be used at its best potential with a weak shield, so if you want to be unstoppable then run 3 shield mods, guard 5 and guard-up.

[Alby]

Originally posted by Zplayer96:

Originally posted by Alby:

sorry, i think i'm stupid...
what's the point of having shield lv 3 if you have guard lv 5..
or HBG can surpass the block of lances/glances.. becoming UNSTOPPABLE?

Because with 3 shield mods on your HBG your shield will be as strong as a lance shield, meaning you'll be pretty tanky, however if you only have one shield mod on your HBG then your actual shield will be weak even if you have guard 5 it won't be used at its best potential with a weak shield, so if you want to be unstoppable then run 3 shield mods, guard 5 and guard-up.

ok so shield mod is pretty much free element skill.
each shield mod unlocks your point in guard skill, pretty much.
and how strong is shield 3 without guard skills?

[Kimchi]

I think the perfect way for OP to see the difference is to do a field test and guard Shara's beam attack.

[DUCKIN AROUND]

1 shield is basically SNS
2 shield is charge blade non-charged
3 shield is Lance/GL
4 shield is charge blade charged + guard point and not needed.
5 shield is overkill.

Think less of it being able to "block more" and more of a bonus. Like it STACKS onto the guard skill, because it's essentially a sub form of the guard skill. At 3 shield you can block most things like a lance can without any guard deco. From that point extra guard points just reduces stamina and HP loss.

To block unblockable attacks you still need the Guard Up skill from a deco or uragaan. In all cases it's better to stop at 3 shields max so you can still fit in your recoils/reloads and MAYBE a close range up depending on your build.

[Zplayer96]

Originally posted by Philosopickle:

I think the perfect way for OP to see the difference is to do a field test and guard Shara's beam attack.

Yeah at this rate i agree, go hunt with 1 shield mod and then 3 and see the difference.

[Alby]

Originally posted by Tiny T-Rex Hands:

1 shield is basically SNS
2 shield is charge blade non-charged
3 shield is Lance/GL
4 shield is charge blade charged + guard point and not needed.
5 shield is overkill.

Think less of it being able to "block more" and more of a bonus. Like it STACKS onto the guard skill, because it's essentially a sub form of the guard skill. At 3 shield you can block most things like a lance can without any guard deco. From that point extra guard points just reduces stamina and HP loss.

To block unblockable attacks you still need the Guard Up skill from a deco or uragaan. In all cases it's better to stop at 3 shields max so you can still fit in your recoils/reloads and MAYBE a close range up depending on your build.

it was for the zinogre HBG, but now i get it, FINALLY XD
so guard skill doesn't reduce the knockback, only stamina and damage?
i never used guard skill tbh and in my mind a S&S with guard 5 could block like lances does lul

[Maii]

Originally posted by Alby:

Originally posted by Tiny T-Rex Hands:

1 shield is basically SNS
2 shield is charge blade non-charged
3 shield is Lance/GL
4 shield is charge blade charged + guard point and not needed.
5 shield is overkill.

Think less of it being able to "block more" and more of a bonus. Like it STACKS onto the guard skill, because it's essentially a sub form of the guard skill. At 3 shield you can block most things like a lance can without any guard deco. From that point extra guard points just reduces stamina and HP loss.

To block unblockable attacks you still need the Guard Up skill from a deco or uragaan. In all cases it's better to stop at 3 shields max so you can still fit in your recoils/reloads and MAYBE a close range up depending on your build.

it was for the zinogre HBG, but now i get it, FINALLY XD
so guard skill doesn't reduce the knockback, only stamina and damage?
i never used guard skill tbh and in my mind a S&S with guard 5 could block like lances does lul

Guard skill do reduce knockback. IIRC chip damage in this game is tie to your knockback distance. So guard skill will reduce stamina drain, knockback -> chip damage.