Strongest monster lore wise.

[侍Kage]

What is the strongest monster lore wise? My bet is on Savage Deviljho or Ruiner Nergigante. Savage Devil is just savage for sure. Even destroying some Elder Dragons in 1v1 combat :0

[Gomu-the-Ghost]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ghost, Get in the damn Lab:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JPM岩:

Hot take: they improve Fatalis' fight to fit the lore like Frontier did


Yes and no. A lot of lore about black dragons are historical records from people who survived the fall of Schrade. Fatalis is indeed immortal, and melted down hunters to stick them to it's body. Dire miralis is also immortal. Alatreon can control 4/5 elements. Disu can use all elements, but cant control them.

The fall of Schrade was thousands of years ago according to info, survivors(which is unlikely) would have long since died not to mention the only thing known about the fall was that a mysterious force did it, Fatalis, and an aura surrounds the area that causes all creatures to avoid it. There's nothing proving Fatalis and Dire are immortal, strong regeneration yes(Giant Sword in Pokke Village) but not immortal just like there's nothing provinf Fatalis actually melts hunters to its body. Fatalis and Dire being immortal and melting hunters to their bodies is just something said but not necessarily truely, and is likely just tied to their legend. The Black dragons are monsters the guild knows extremely little about to the point they don't even get Icons just question marks.

Also not sure why you mentioned Alatreon controlling four elements, this is presented in gameplay and clearly true

Actually I stand corrected in Fatalis not melting hunters, sources explicitly says it did copy the Ancient Civ in practices such as that. My bad.

[zennight]

Well, in the case of the black dragons, if you actually know there lore think about how impossible it would be to actually fight them, one literally boiled an entire sea with just his presence and killed everything in it, fatalis lore wise literally split a continent in two and destroyed the entire shrade (dont qoute me on that spelling) civilization in one night, and another has control over 4 elements, literally so much so that it can change the weather. And the reason that Fatalis is immortal is that in its description it says that hunters that wore its armor would talk about how it affects them, as well as every hunter that wears the armor disappears without a trace after a while, with the appearance of a new Fatalis shortly after. But imagine how with using the actual lore they could make that a fair fight or a fight that would work, then look at every other monster and tell me they all live up to or follow their lore.

[Illius]

I mean Behemoth now, the only monster we've seen actively bring the apocalypse mid-fight!

(I know it ain't canon idc i'm saying it is now)

[Crusader]

White fatalis > crimson fatalis > fatalis > dire miralis (?) > alatreon (?) > everything else

[JPM岩]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ghost, Get in the damn Lab:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JPM岩:

Hot take: they improve Fatalis' fight to fit the lore like Frontier did


Yes and no. A lot of lore about black dragons are historical records from people who survived the fall of Schrade. Fatalis is indeed immortal, and melted down hunters to stick them to it's body. Dire miralis is also immortal. Alatreon can control 4/5 elements. Disu can use all elements, but cant control them.

The fall of Schrade was thousands of years ago according to info, survivors(which is unlikely) would have long since died not to mention the only thing known about the fall was that a mysterious force did it, Fatalis, and an aura surrounds the area that causes all creatures to avoid it. There's nothing proving Fatalis and Dire are immortal, strong regeneration yes(Giant Sword in Pokke Village) but not immortal just like there's nothing provinf Fatalis actually melts hunters to its body. Fatalis and Dire being immortal and melting hunters to their bodies is just something said but not necessarily truely, and is likely just tied to their legend. The Black dragons are monsters the guild knows extremely little about to the point they don't even get Icons just question marks.

Also not sure why you mentioned Alatreon controlling four elements, this is presented in gameplay and clearly true

The fall of Schrade far more recent, only about a thousand years ago, because there is one wyvernian ancient still alive, the blackmith that taught EVERY blacksmith how to smith. He's part of a quest line in Gen, and all of his students are surprised he's alive because he's so old. Also, the fall of Schrade cant be thousands of years old, because numerous Wyvernians have known humans that had lived in Schrade.
Fatalis was known to be the destroyer of Schrade (it wasnt a mystery at all, even the elder of Kokoto knew it because he had seen it). In MHStories, the fall of the Ancients was talked about, as Redan, the founder of the Riders, was trying to warn the Kingdom of Schrade about Fatalis, and they didnt believe him, and he died along side hundreds of others trying to stop Fatalis.
Fatalis and Dire are immortal (both part of the Miralis family), Fatalis can regenerate from their eyes, Dire can regenerate from their heart, it just takes a long time. The giant sword in Pokke Village Mystery cave is a Fatalis Greatsword that keeps growing, and will eventually grow into a Fatalis.
The Guild knows a TON about Black Dragons. It's just that them showing up is a REALLY bad sign, and it's kind of at that hope hoping someone can kill them. Hell, there was so much stuff about alatreon documented that there's info on an unknown blue subspecies. And Disu was heavily researched before the 9999 Disu was found and didnt kill itself.

[Tamerlein]

You know for a game that focuses so much on ecosystems they missed a real opportunity to bring in alatreon.

[Vasax]

Last Monster They Add should be white Fatalis as raid or something similar.

HHope they add Gammoth to hoarfrost reach and make offensive guard secret for gammoth armor.

[JPM岩]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Foxidel:

You know for a game that focuses so much on ecosystems they missed a real opportunity to bring in alatreon.

Well, remember that we still have probably a year's worth of updates to go.

[Shinshe]

PaPa Jo for life

[Presh]

Basically what others have said..

In MHW only it's Safi.
In MH lore in total it's White Fatalis.

Black Dragons are canonically the strongest and Safi has characteristics of a black dragon (it's armour and weapons appear to be still alive even after you've defeated it). Although the game has specifically called it a the Red Dragon, it's likely to sit along the same vein. If Safi's armour and weapons are still alive, then it's definitely higher than an elder dragon and closer to a black dragon.

[JPM岩]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Presh:

Basically what others have said..

In MHW only it's Safi.
In MH lore in total it's White Fatalis.

Black Dragons are canonically the strongest and Safi has characteristics of a black dragon (it's armour and weapons appear to be still alive even after you've defeated it). Although the game has specifically called it a the Red Dragon, it's likely to sit along the same vein. If Safi's armour and weapons are still alive, then it's definitely higher than an elder dragon and closer to a black dragon.

Except Safi really wouldnt fall into the category of Black Dragon. Black Dragons are World Destroyers, and Safi doesnt have the World-destroying capabilities compared to a black dragon. The Miralises (Fatalis and Dire), are immortal, and can effortlessly destroy entire countries. Fatalis in specific is also extremely intelligent, and can, according to the collab with Dragalia Lost, which I feel is canon with how in lore everything was, Fatalis can even detect other Worlds.
Alatreon can control 4/5 elements effortlessly, and can change them near instantly. Disu can use numerous elements and sepharim, but cannot fully control it unless it goes 9999.
Safi'jiiva is no where near these monsters in terms of power. I would argue Nerg is the strongest monster in MHW because it eats other elders.

[AsceticG]

Savage Jho ain't got nothing on White Fatalis. That thing ended an advanced civilization and rubbed the ashes on its body.

[Gomu-the-Ghost]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JPM岩:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ghost, Get in the damn Lab:

The fall of Schrade was thousands of years ago according to info, survivors(which is unlikely) would have long since died not to mention the only thing known about the fall was that a mysterious force did it, Fatalis, and an aura surrounds the area that causes all creatures to avoid it. There's nothing proving Fatalis and Dire are immortal, strong regeneration yes(Giant Sword in Pokke Village) but not immortal just like there's nothing provinf Fatalis actually melts hunters to its body. Fatalis and Dire being immortal and melting hunters to their bodies is just something said but not necessarily truely, and is likely just tied to their legend. The Black dragons are monsters the guild knows extremely little about to the point they don't even get Icons just question marks.

Also not sure why you mentioned Alatreon controlling four elements, this is presented in gameplay and clearly true

The fall of Schrade far more recent, only about a thousand years ago, because there is one wyvernian ancient still alive, the blackmith that taught EVERY blacksmith how to smith. He's part of a quest line in Gen, and all of his students are surprised he's alive because he's so old. Also, the fall of Schrade cant be thousands of years old, because numerous Wyvernians have known humans that had lived in Schrade.
Fatalis was known to be the destroyer of Schrade (it wasnt a mystery at all, even the elder of Kokoto knew it because he had seen it). In MHStories, the fall of the Ancients was talked about, as Redan, the founder of the Riders, was trying to warn the Kingdom of Schrade about Fatalis, and they didnt believe him, and he died along side hundreds of others trying to stop Fatalis.
Fatalis and Dire are immortal (both part of the Miralis family), Fatalis can regenerate from their eyes, Dire can regenerate from their heart, it just takes a long time. The giant sword in Pokke Village Mystery cave is a Fatalis Greatsword that keeps growing, and will eventually grow into a Fatalis.
The Guild knows a TON about Black Dragons. It's just that them showing up is a REALLY bad sign, and it's kind of at that hope hoping someone can kill them. Hell, there was so much stuff about alatreon documented that there's info on an unknown blue subspecies. And Disu was heavily researched before the 9999 Disu was found and didnt kill itself.

Okay one you can't claim a thousand years is recent lmao.
On a more serious side mentioning MHStories lore and such is irrlevant as there's no way of knowing if anything from Stories is canon to mainline, Frontier is iffy cause I do know the legend of the Black Fatalis and that games G-rank Fatalis is canon.
As for the Fatalis and Dire being immortal, again nothing to prove that besides in-game legends thats not a confirmed thing by Capcom nor the guild just a legend. The Sword in Pokke village doesn't mean it can rebirth itself just that the regen factor is strong.
Lastly the guild doesn't know a lot about the Black Dragons or at least not all of them. I can not speak about Frontier due to not only never played it but a langauge barrier but for mainline the Guild has known very little about them. Thats why to this day The Black Dragons in Mainline do not have an icon.

https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Dangerous_First-Class_Monsters MH wiki even says it in the first paragraph.

[Popcorn]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ghost, Get in the damn Lab:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JPM岩:

The fall of Schrade far more recent, only about a thousand years ago, because there is one wyvernian ancient still alive, the blackmith that taught EVERY blacksmith how to smith. He's part of a quest line in Gen, and all of his students are surprised he's alive because he's so old. Also, the fall of Schrade cant be thousands of years old, because numerous Wyvernians have known humans that had lived in Schrade.
Fatalis was known to be the destroyer of Schrade (it wasnt a mystery at all, even the elder of Kokoto knew it because he had seen it). In MHStories, the fall of the Ancients was talked about, as Redan, the founder of the Riders, was trying to warn the Kingdom of Schrade about Fatalis, and they didnt believe him, and he died along side hundreds of others trying to stop Fatalis.
Fatalis and Dire are immortal (both part of the Miralis family), Fatalis can regenerate from their eyes, Dire can regenerate from their heart, it just takes a long time. The giant sword in Pokke Village Mystery cave is a Fatalis Greatsword that keeps growing, and will eventually grow into a Fatalis.
The Guild knows a TON about Black Dragons. It's just that them showing up is a REALLY bad sign, and it's kind of at that hope hoping someone can kill them. Hell, there was so much stuff about alatreon documented that there's info on an unknown blue subspecies. And Disu was heavily researched before the 9999 Disu was found and didnt kill itself.

Okay one you can't claim a thousand years is recent lmao.
On a more serious side mentioning MHStories lore and such is irrlevant as there's no way of knowing if anything from Stories is canon to mainline, Frontier is iffy cause I do know the legend of the Black Fatalis and that games G-rank Fatalis is canon.
As for the Fatalis and Dire being immortal, again nothing to prove that besides in-game legends thats not a confirmed thing by Capcom nor the guild just a legend. The Sword in Pokke village doesn't mean it can rebirth itself just that the regen factor is strong.
Lastly the guild doesn't know a lot about the Black Dragons or at least not all of them. I can not speak about Frontier due to not only never played it but a langauge barrier but for mainline the Guild has known very little about them. Thats why to this day The Black Dragons in Mainline do not have an icon.

https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Dangerous_First-Class_Monsters MH wiki even says it in the first paragraph.

This is funny, its that one saying "One cannot prove its existence, nor deny it, as there is no proof of existence nor proof it did not exist"

Also, u usually use wikis as source? Cuz they can be tampered any time

[Popcorn]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von zennight:

Well, in the case of the black dragons, if you actually know there lore think about how impossible it would be to actually fight them, one literally boiled an entire sea with just his presence and killed everything in it, fatalis lore wise literally split a continent in two and destroyed the entire shrade (dont qoute me on that spelling) civilization in one night, and another has control over 4 elements, literally so much so that it can change the weather. And the reason that Fatalis is immortal is that in its description it says that hunters that wore its armor would talk about how it affects them, as well as every hunter that wears the armor disappears without a trace after a while, with the appearance of a new Fatalis shortly after. But imagine how with using the actual lore they could make that a fair fight or a fight that would work, then look at every other monster and tell me they all live up to or follow their lore.

We...survived the boiling sea and killed that elder dragon
We...killed that dragon that destroyed an acient civilization
We...overcamw the 4 elements and killed thst one too

But yes, lorewise, im pretty sure all we, as hunters, were doing was just dreaming or already dead to begin with

The reason why hunters disappear? Cuz we aint playin anymore xD