Inconsistencies with monster damage: OHKO.

[Mander]

Hi all,

I’m experiencing more OHKO than I would like in MHW:I, and it would be nice to know if it is something that’s limited to me or not.
I’ve played MHW for almost 2k hours, nevertheless in Iceborne I’m been killed in one hit by monsters that should not have the ability to do so.
For instance, I could believe a tempered nighshade paolumu has the ability to one shot me with its best attack (seems BS, but ok, we’re in G rank now and all that jazz…). At the same time though, I find quite strange that a NORMAL glavenus can one shot me with a tail swipe when I have 933 physical defence and 18 fire resistance… (it was a multiplayer quest and I was using a bow).
I mean, not even tempered elders do such damage, and I hunted them extensively in G rank.

Long story short, I’m seriously thinking of a bug here: anyone else has had similar experiences?

EDIT:

I've done further tests (hunts) and I found a case that confirms the existence of a bug.
I’ve solo hunted a Tempered Azure Rathalos in Guiding Lands: he was able to one shot me (twice), while I was using a bow (933 phys defence, 18 fire resistance) with the simplest fireball attack. He wasn’t in rage mode.
I switched to IG (943 phys defence, 13 fire resistance): same attack, it did not one shot me again. But that’s not all: even when enraged, the Azure Rathalos couldn’t one shot me.
Could this depend on how the elemental damage is calculated?

[Scaryowl]

Glav has big tail attacks that do a lot of damage in both elemental and physical; and bow takes extra damage from physical attacks.

Could be a bug tho

[Mander]

Originally posted by Scaryowl:

Glav has big tail attacks that do a lot of damage in both elemental and physical; and bow takes extra damage from physical attacks.

Could be a bug tho

The amount of damage is simply too much: I've been hitted by a Glavenus while using an LBG too (with a lower fire resistance), but it did not kill me.
This inconsistencies annoy me, because it messes with the hunt, and I would like to know if it's a common problem (seems so, at least while hunting with friends), or not, and if there is a workaround or a solution.

[ANGR]

Are you running any hb? That always seems to be the difference between getting one shot and surviving, at least for me.

[Mander]

Originally posted by ANGR:

Are you running any hb? That always seems to be the difference between getting one shot and surviving, at least for me.

HB? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term

[Mander]

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

Was this during an investigation? Because investigation monsters can have random damage and HP modifiers.

It was an investigation yes. Still, if the problem lies with the quest modifiers, shouldn't they be better tuned?

[ANGR]

Originally posted by Mander:

Originally posted by ANGR:

Are you running any hb? That always seems to be the difference between getting one shot and surviving, at least for me.

HB? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term

Health boost. Even 1 point goes a long way. I'm supposing since you have 933 armor, your running the 4 silvalos and garuga greaves fully augmented.

[Mander]

Originally posted by ANGR:

Originally posted by Mander:

HB? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term

Health boost. Even 1 point goes a long way. I'm supposing since you have 933 armor, your running the 4 silvalos and garuga greaves fully augmented.

Yep on the armor, no I'm not running HB.
Yet, if I hunt with the same set a tempered BV Vaal and I can survive its attack, but got one shotted by a vanilla Glavenus, something seems fishy.

[Mander]

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

Originally posted by Mander:

It was an investigation yes. Still, if the problem lies with the quest modifiers, shouldn't they be better tuned?

You say you've been playing for 2k hours. You should have already known this was a thing, and to be expected during investigations.

One glavenus investigation the tail spin attack might oneshot you, and during another it might only do 3/4 of your HP bar, or less. That's always been a thing, not just with iceborne.

You could run into a situations where a tempered monster isn't really much stronger than a normal one, if they roll low on the extra damage. I've seen tempered gold/silver raths that didn't hit very hard (about the same as an average normal one), and I've seen some that did extreme damage.

You got your explanation.

Please, come down from your high horse.
It's exactly because I've played almost 2k hours without ever encountering something like this that I've opened this topic. I’ve fought multiple times all the monsters in Iceborne and I’m attuned to how much damage they can do and actually do.
Lately though, I’ve seen more OHK than I’m used to, and I was asking if someone else experienced something like this. Apparently, you’ve not: ty for your input nevertheless.

[Pottross]

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

Nothing fishy at all, you ran a Glav investigation where he rolled very high damage, probably near tempered level. This can happen. You can also roll tempered monsters who don't hit much harder than normal ones do.

Also, potential extra damage modifiers apply for enraged monster status. You quickly end up in one shot range without healthboost 3 these days. But with giant deco slots building defensive skills such as extra HP is basically free as well.

As an afterthought: Some monsters have combo attacks that hit in pretty quick succession, with rocksteady mantle on you could very well have been comboed and have taken multiple hits instead of just one huge hit (even though I can't think of one such attack for Glavenus).

[ANGR]

Originally posted by Mander:

Originally posted by ANGR:

Health boost. Even 1 point goes a long way. I'm supposing since you have 933 armor, your running the 4 silvalos and garuga greaves fully augmented.

Yep on the armor, no I'm not running HB.
Yet, if I hunt with the same set a tempered BV Vaal and I can survive its attack, but got one shotted by a vanilla Glavenus, something seems fishy.

Yeah I like to call that set a bit of a trap. It's an amazing elemental build, and people are pulled into the fact that they have 900+ armor that they forget bow is still very squishy even with that much armor.

I ran that set with my friend and we both came to the conclusion that it's not great in the survivability depertment. Throwing a point or 2 of hb made it a bit more comfy.

As for the temp bv thing, he's not really a good measure of difficulty. I'd say he's easy as if not more so than Kirin if you're running miasma ( as you should for him).

[Pottross]

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

Originally posted by Pottross:

Also, potential extra damage modifiers apply for enraged monster status. You quickly end up in one shot range without healthboost 3 these days. But with giant deco slots building defensive skills such as extra HP is basically free as well.

It's only free if you got the level 4 decos with skill + vitality on them. Someone running through the story isn't gonna be able to get free HB3.

You are 100% correct, sry if that sounded arrogant or something, it wasn't intended that way.

[Mander]

Originally posted by Pottross:

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

Nothing fishy at all, you ran a Glav investigation where he rolled very high damage, probably near tempered level. This can happen. You can also roll tempered monsters who don't hit much harder than normal ones do.

Also, potential extra damage modifiers apply for enraged monster status. You quickly end up in one shot range without healthboost 3 these days. But with giant deco slots building defensive skills such as extra HP is basically free as well.

As an afterthought: Some monsters have combo attacks that hit in pretty quick succession, with rocksteady mantle on you could very well have been comboed and have taken multiple hits instead of just one huge hit (even though I can't think of one such attack for Glavenus).

No no, it was just a single attack: a tail swipe and I was donning impact mantle at the time. It was a clear one hit kill from full HP (capped, so with max potion).

[Mander]

Originally posted by ANGR:

Originally posted by Mander:

Yep on the armor, no I'm not running HB.
Yet, if I hunt with the same set a tempered BV Vaal and I can survive its attack, but got one shotted by a vanilla Glavenus, something seems fishy.

Yeah I like to call that set a bit of a trap. It's an amazing elemental build, and people are pulled into the fact that they have 900+ armor that they forget bow is still very squishy even with that much armor.

I ran that set with my friend and we both came to the conclusion that it's not great in the survivability depertment. Throwing a point or 2 of hb made it a bit more comfy.

As for the temp bv thing, he's not really a good measure of difficulty. I'd say he's easy as if not more so than Kirin if you're running miasma ( as you should for him).

Tempered BV Vaal is easier than tempered Kirin G rank XD.
Still, and maybe it's just me, if I can survive a tempered elder with a set just to be killed by a vanilla Glavenus while using the same set... something is kinda wrong? :S

[NoobMaster69]

Personally I haven't noticed any of this, I main both CB and Bow and have not noticed any inconsistencies in the damage I take. I run lvl 3 health boost on all my builds though so I have max HP and with around ~800 armour rating and do not get 1 shot by normal Glav.

[BOWSER]

I haven't done any tempered boss fights yet but I've done many many normal hunts. I need at least Health Boost x 2 to feel comfortable with being hit while using bow while having more than 800 defense and element resistance. I rarely get hit but when I do, I'm glad I have the extra Health.

The only time I ever feel comfortable with no health boost is when I am playing my Free Meal and Speed Eating build on my Sword and Shield.

I don't think it's about inconsistencies. I think this is about you fighting the harder monsters so often that you think normal bosses can not hit as hard and when it happened, you were awestruck.