Lance-Raw damage still outperforms elemental?

[Drakulas]

So I went through all G rank with the same physical damage based armour set. After finding out the cap on elemental damage was removed in Iceborne I made a fire based set to try out. But even against a 3* weak monster the damage was about 40ish lower than my physical set.

Is elemental damage still pointless even after the buff it recieved?

[Macho Chunko]

Elemental is still worthless unless you use true crit element, and even then on lance is just better to go for raw and have element be the icing on the cake.
I just can't give up the skills i like having for lance with other pieces for bad slots and some meager damage increase on elemental damage on the Silver rath pieces.

[Mandalorian Deathknight]

elemental is good if you build for it. you need to build for elemental damage compared to raw damage

[Xilo The Odd]

yeah, i myself find myself drawn to using Status Lance if anything. nice lil poison lance or maybe a para or blast lance if im feeling adventurous. otherwise Raw can be built up to do more damage more easily, especially with skills like offensive guard in play. if you can get a decent lance and run offensive guard with coalesence on top of the typical priority damage skills, you'll wreck so many faces.

[Macho Chunko]

Xilo The Odd님이 먼저 게시:

yeah, i myself find myself drawn to using Status Lance if anything. nice lil poison lance or maybe a para or blast lance if im feeling adventurous. otherwise Raw can be built up to do more damage more easily, especially with skills like offensive guard in play. if you can get a decent lance and run offensive guard with coalesence on top of the typical priority damage skills, you'll wreck so many faces.

That's one good thing about Safi, you can try more different weapons that you can't from the base ones in the game so you can try more builds without having to sacrifice so many skills for no gain on a weapon.

[Xilo The Odd]

Macho Chunko님이 먼저 게시:

Xilo The Odd님이 먼저 게시:

yeah, i myself find myself drawn to using Status Lance if anything. nice lil poison lance or maybe a para or blast lance if im feeling adventurous. otherwise Raw can be built up to do more damage more easily, especially with skills like offensive guard in play. if you can get a decent lance and run offensive guard with coalesence on top of the typical priority damage skills, you'll wreck so many faces.

That's one good thing about Safi, you can try more different weapons that you can't from the base ones in the game so you can try more builds without having to sacrifice so many skills for no gain on a weapon.

i'll just be sad that Safi is pretty much the ONLY weapon skin anyone will see unless someone is using transmog. otherwise they are probably running a meme build. i can see the elitist threads already... "if your not using Safi weapons your doing it wrong!" etc.

[Remi]

Elemental Lances will always outdamage raw Lances, even more so with Safi. No silver armour required, stack full raw and go match elements.

[Macho Chunko]

Xilo The Odd님이 먼저 게시:

Macho Chunko님이 먼저 게시:

That's one good thing about Safi, you can try more different weapons that you can't from the base ones in the game so you can try more builds without having to sacrifice so many skills for no gain on a weapon.

i'll just be sad that Safi is pretty much the ONLY weapon skin anyone will see unless someone is using transmog. otherwise they are probably running a meme build. i can see the elitist threads already... "if your not using Safi weapons your doing it wrong!" etc.

I still stand by what i kept saying that they should just expand the awaken system to all the weapons in the game.
It's a shame the Safi weapons get to have augments on top of the awaken system, as if powercreep wasn't bad enough, awakening is an interesting concept but having it limited to only one thing and monster make everything else useless. Why even farm for anything else in the game?

[Franz]

IIRC Jinx and Tuna calculate ele at about 7% more damage than raw.

[StormhawkV]

Lance is a bad elemental weapon because all pokes have a 70% elemental modifier. The elemental Lances with the highest raw values still outperform pure raw options when used against 3 star weak monsters but it's never worth to build for elemental damage be it critical element or even the skills that increase elemental damage.


The best elemental Lances are:

Fire - Rathalos
Water - Royal Grace Pike or Namielle (first one requires awakened element)
Ice - Velkhana
Dragon - Shara or Nergigante (first one requires awakened element)

You need rare decos to make some of these work so good luck and before you ask, the thunder Lances are all really bad unfortunately.

[Magnussen]

Franz님이 먼저 게시:

IIRC Jinx and Tuna calculate ele at about 7% more damage than raw.

Exactly. And, as they always say, people is spreading misinformation in this post.

Drakulas, as Franz said, elemental weapons outdamages raw meta lances. Here you have the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxqU8rLA5mA&t=363s

Now, you need to evaluate whether 7% more damage, at the cost of upgrading several lances, is worth for you. Safi weapons are about to appear so I would rather stick to raw and then use the new elemental lances.

[Macho Chunko]

Magnussen님이 먼저 게시:

Franz님이 먼저 게시:

IIRC Jinx and Tuna calculate ele at about 7% more damage than raw.

Exactly. And, as they always say, people is spreading misinformation in this post.

Drakulas, as Franz said, elemental weapons outdamages raw meta lances. Here you have the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxqU8rLA5mA&t=363s

Now, you need to evaluate whether 7% more damage, at the cost of upgrading several lances, is worth for you. Safi weapons are about to appear so I would rather stick to raw and then use the new elemental lances.

Funny, first thing i saw in the spreadsheet is a raw lance and the lances with good raw and a bit of element outdamaging all the other ones.
Lances are better with high raw and element as a side bonus.

[Franz]

But that is still elemental damage and it's going to benefit from an elemental build and the correct matchup. (Edit: after checking the meta collection they indeed build for Master's Touch and don't slot ele attack - but you still have to get the correct matchup).

OP isn't asking if it's easy or worth it to build ele lances, he asked if ele can outdamage raw, and the answer is yes. Just to be clear, I'm not saying it's worth the hassle for a meager 7% more damage, especially because:

Drakulas님이 먼저 게시:

... even against a 3* weak monster the damage was about 40ish lower than my physical set.

The stars are sometimes misleading, you have to check the actual value of the ele hitzones to be sure where to hit for decent damage.

[AfLIcTeD]

Raw-only weapons are pretty pointless in IB. The only two weapons you need are either the Nergigante weapons or Goldian if there is one. They share the highest raw, huge white sharpness and dragon/poison damage as bonus. Even if another weapon does have more raw than those two, it usually only goes to blue sharpness or has huge negative affinity.

[Magnussen]

Franz님이 먼저 게시:

But that is still elemental damage and it's going to benefit from an elemental build and the correct matchup. (Edit: after checking the meta collection they indeed build for Master's Touch and don't slot ele attack - but you still have to get the correct matchup).

OP isn't asking if it's easy or worth it to build ele lances, he asked if ele can outdamage raw, and the answer is yes. Just to be clear, I'm not saying it's worth the hassle for a meager 7% more damage, especially because:

Drakulas님이 먼저 게시:

... even against a 3* weak monster the damage was about 40ish lower than my physical set.

The stars are sometimes misleading, you have to check the actual value of the ele hitzones to be sure where to hit for decent damage.

Exactly. Furthermore, in the video they make it clear that, in order to get only a 7% of more damage, it is assumed that you are a very good player and that can have offensive guard 80% of the fight. Since offensive guard benefits mostly from raw, that is the best case scenario for raw. Put in other words, if you are a perfect player elemental lance builds are 7% better. If you are not, then that 7% could go higher.

"he asked if ele can outdamage raw, and the answer is yes" --> Exaclty.

[Loir]

Hi everyone, thanks for the answers on this topic. Im pretty sure it's important to ask you now : Does Kjar MR elemental Lance are that bad ? I mean I've not seen anyone talking about them. Just trying actually some of them with teostra set and true crit (coming from the weapon itself).
It seems amazing how much damage they can deliver, but im a little afraid about some durability (especially the thunder one).
Any of you already tried ? PS : im new at lance so Im in search of lance-main answer obviously. Blue sharpness even with master touch seems weak nah ?