Lance-Raw damage still outperforms elemental?

[Drakulas]

So I went through all G rank with the same physical damage based armour set. After finding out the cap on elemental damage was removed in Iceborne I made a fire based set to try out. But even against a 3* weak monster the damage was about 40ish lower than my physical set.

Is elemental damage still pointless even after the buff it recieved?

[Fregi]

引用自 Loir：

Hi everyone, thanks for the answers on this topic. Im pretty sure it's important to ask you now : Does Kjar MR elemental Lance are that bad ? I mean I've not seen anyone talking about them. Just trying actually some of them with teostra set and true crit (coming from the weapon itself).
It seems amazing how much damage they can deliver, but im a little afraid about some durability (especially the thunder one).
Any of you already tried ? PS : im new at lance so Im in search of lance-main answer obviously. Blue sharpness even with master touch seems weak nah ?

Purple sharpness from safi'jiiva is better for element in the case of lances, critical element on lance isn't that good

[jrubz]

No one has calculated it yet, but the only case that it could is if you're running one of the new Kulve lances.

Some of them like the Kjarr Water Lance have good raw (by base safi raw standards) and insane element that can be multiplied 10x over with augments, safi's set, and then raw skills can still fit the build easily to keep up that damage side too.

[jrubz]

引用自 awoken：

引用自 Loir：

Hi everyone, thanks for the answers on this topic. Im pretty sure it's important to ask you now : Does Kjar MR elemental Lance are that bad ? I mean I've not seen anyone talking about them. Just trying actually some of them with teostra set and true crit (coming from the weapon itself).
It seems amazing how much damage they can deliver, but im a little afraid about some durability (especially the thunder one).
Any of you already tried ? PS : im new at lance so Im in search of lance-main answer obviously. Blue sharpness even with master touch seems weak nah ?

Purple sharpness from safi'jiiva is better for element in the case of lances, critical element on lance isn't that good

You have to sacrifice element boosts to get said purple sharpness. The only lances that can do true purple sharpness TCE are the Furious Rajang Lance and Alatreon's Lance when it gets here.

Edit: Also the CE mod is 1.35? TCE is 1.55. Yea that can be a hefty difference, but until we get a better TCE alternative, CE on some kulve lances will do just fine with the CE multiplier.

And if you are referring to the reduction multiplier for element on lance, yes I can understand how that would make it less great in comparison.

[Fregi]

引用自 JRubz：

引用自 awoken：

Purple sharpness from safi'jiiva is better for element in the case of lances, critical element on lance isn't that good

You have to sacrifice element boosts to get said purple sharpness. The only lances that can do true purple sharpness TCE are the Furious Rajang Lance and Alatreon's Lance when it gets here.

Edit: Also the CE mod is 1.35? TCE is 1.55. Yea that can be a hefty difference, but until we get a better TCE alternative, CE on some kulve lances will do just fine with the CE multiplier.

And if you are referring to the reduction multiplier for element on lance, yes I can understand how that would make it less great in comparison.

safi weapons have better raw than kulve taroth due to the upgrade system, plus they're much more flexible in set bonuses (Safi MT)

also, i dunno about alatreon lance, it's dragon in all previous games. If it has better raw than safi and raging brachy, then it could be meta

[crate]

Capcom basically killed elemental lance with Iceborne release. The elemental multiplier on every attack got nerfed to 0.7 instead of 1.0

Unfortunately even the ridiculously good Kjarr weapons are only barely better than raw-focused builds in favorable matchups. You can get a small amount better damage against Luna, Teo, and Namielle and that's mostly it.

[Fregi]

引用自 crate：

Capcom basically killed elemental lance with Iceborne release. The elemental multiplier on every attack got nerfed to 0.7 instead of 1.0

Unfortunately even the ridiculously good Kjarr weapons are only barely better than raw-focused builds in favorable matchups. You can get a small amount better damage against Luna, Teo, and Namielle and that's mostly it.

i've still got a collection of elemental lances cause why not lol

[jrubz]

引用自 awoken：

safi weapons have better raw than kulve taroth due to the upgrade system, plus they're much more flexible in set bonuses (Safi MT)

also, i dunno about alatreon lance, it's dragon in all previous games. If it has better raw than safi and raging brachy, then it could be meta

do remember that KT weapons can be custom augmented. The moment I realized that they all changed. Check some of the lances compared to base safi raw and analyze them based on how much element they give compared to element only safi weps. That's when you'll see some of them are theoretically better with the right build.
I made a chart for safi weps-
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2011954757

[Loir]

Hi everyone. Thanks for all those answers. Im still gonna stick to kjar elemental lance for a while, because with their special upgrade systems they really looks unique for me. Pretty sure safi is more viabl though because of the huge sharpness.

[TyresTyco]

Lance is a hard case right now. I tried the kjarr fire lance.. wasnt really that much better than my average raw build, same goes for ice. Since I have all element dbs.. cbs... even a freaking ice hunting horn. I for example dont wanna use elemental stuff for other weapons anymore.

In the end all my loadouts would be safi sets with kjarr weapons lol.

[Zachmark571]

引用自 Loir：

Hi everyone, thanks for the answers on this topic. Im pretty sure it's important to ask you now : Does Kjar MR elemental Lance are that bad ? I mean I've not seen anyone talking about them. Just trying actually some of them with teostra set and true crit (coming from the weapon itself).
It seems amazing how much damage they can deliver, but im a little afraid about some durability (especially the thunder one).
Any of you already tried ? PS : im new at lance so Im in search of lance-main answer obviously. Blue sharpness even with master touch seems weak nah ?

Don't know about lance meta after MR kulve, but can say that blue sharpness is no bueno.
With white sharpness you have a 10% increase in EFR (effective raw) and with purple only aprox. 5.3% increase. Some monsters have tougher spots and you will bounce a lot with blue sharpness. With white, you will not bounce off of broken parts, weakpoints, or tenderized parts. You will only bounce off of something like S.Raths butt, which is extremely tough.
With Masters touch, you NEED at least a little white sharpness.

I believe you can just google "Lance meta after MR kulve" to find your answers, since there might be more misinformation on the forums.
Even though purple sharpness will not bounce (at least I've never bounced with it), the increase in EFR is not noticeable enough to make it a must. White is the one to go for.

FYI I am a bow/SnS/LS main with only little experience with Lance, but I have been using lance more since MR. So please correct me, if I am wrong

EDIT: my answer took too long, glad you found what you were looking for :)

[ContZ]

lance main here,from my experience kjarr elemental lances doing decent damage especially with safi set bonuses,well,its a bit more damage compared to raw lance,but hey,if you're a lance main gotta collect them all right?just bring whetfish fin+ for easier sharpening and you're good to go.The monsters better matchup for raw lance i think zinogre,styg zino,nergi,and blackveil vaal,tried kjarr rage against vaal the other day,i think raw is better for him