Mounting debate.

[Bradsaxman55]

So I have a friend that gets angry at us. The argument is that he says when we trip the monster instead of him doing the final attack during mourning. He says it decreases the time the monster is down thus making the dps go down. He wants us to sit around and just not attack the monster.

Our argument is we clutch claw, wound the monster, and also get a couple of few good hits before the monster topples. We also get a full combo off the monster after it topples. We are telling him that the time the monster is down isn't a big enough difference for us to care if they get the final hit on the monster or not. This would mean us doing what we are doing is faster.

He wants us to prove with numbers that our way is better.

[[Wahr] Eogard]

The ideal would be mounting > rest of the team do damage but stop before monster goes down > final mounting attack > monster goes down > everyone gank him

Easier said that done tho

[Seamus]

Sounds like he's just pissy he doesn't get to see his mount finisher.

[nugdolf]

he's just a control freak, if he wants you to stand by he should play alone

[Franz]

While he's mounting he's poking for a bunch of 1s and the final attack doesn't make up for the damage loss, just end the mount ASAP.
Anyway the burden of proof lies on the one who makes the initial claim, in this case your friend.

[mewlynx]

Originally posted by Seamus:

Sounds like he's just pissy he doesn't get to see his mount finisher.

[Mare/\thyu]

Let him know that your away is how every other person in the game plays. Yes, it is ideal not to cause the monster to topple when someone is mounted, however if ultimately doesn't matter that much. You are wasting time of you just stand around doing nothing

Another similar ish example is stunning while a monster is toppled. If you use hunting horn or hammer, you naturally want to attack the head when the monster is downed, but if you stun a downed monster, they fall over again in a slightly different place, not only taking time away from the original topple, but potentially interrupting other people's combos.

That being said, it doesn't really matter, ultimately the person at fault is the one getting salty over it

[mewlynx]

Originally posted by Franz:

While he's mounting he's poking for a bunch of 1s and the final attack doesn't make up for the damage loss, just end the mount ASAP.

Mounts are worth when the monster is enraged, depending on the monster. Mounting an enraged flying monster is always a plus if flashpods were recently used, and mounting a powered Kirin is another easy example.

[Greb]

lol

When I mount monsters, I don't even bother doing my mount finisher. It's way more efficient to simply sit on top of the monster while it is fatigued for 10 seconds letting your team whale away at the thing, doing leagues more damage than even your Hammer or Greatsword finisher is going to do - sometimes you can even fatigue a monster twice in one mount, leading to great damage opportunities. I call this "mount stalling" myself but I don't know if it has an "official" name or what.

The monster falls over anyway once enough damage is taken, so it hardly matters at all, that's three long windows to damage the monster, far better than anyones mount finisher could even hope to do.

The exceptions here would be aerials, they fly too high most of the time for your team to do anything other than softening the thing, so it's not too useful there.

Your friend has points in that you want to avoid prematurely KOing a mounted monster so you don't waste the stun, or sleeping / paralysing it. If you're a Hammer user you'll get a feel when your next KO is coming, it pays not to work the head of a monster that is mounted or downed for this reason and save that KO until it stands up, etc. Also severing a tail ends a mount prematurely, but considering mount stalling is very useful for getting tails severed as quickly, easily and efficiently as possible that's one exception I don't mind occurring. Very useful for getting Glavenus' tail off while superheated, actually.

In the grand scheme of things none of this really matters anyway, it's just good efficient hunting that you don't specifically need to do in most cases...but oh well!

Your friend is a nerd and you should tell him such! Screw that guy! Next time you hunt with him I want you to poison his pre-hunt meal!

[Franz]

Originally posted by maelynx:

Originally posted by Franz:

While he's mounting he's poking for a bunch of 1s and the final attack doesn't make up for the damage loss, just end the mount ASAP.

Mounts are worth when the monster is enraged depending on the monster. Mounting an enraged flying monster is always a plus if flashpods were recently used, and mounting a powered Kirin is another easy example.

It's possible to imagine scenarios where prolonging the mount can end up in a damage gain, but usually you are losing almost all the DPS from the mounting player. Without a solid reason not to and a modicum of team coordination just ending the mount faster is a damage gain.

[็Oni]

i mean Mount from the beginning to the end total damage only around ( make it 100 dps total ) f
If the other 2 attack is fine as long as you dont go for the Head and K.O it before other guy finish

[Tresh]

I mean, if he is your friend and enjoys it so much, maybe sometimes let him finish the mount but intervene most of the time. It's called compromise :) But if he does it all the time, he'll have to live with getting to finish his mount rarely as everything else wouldn't be fair to everybody else.

[Ironslayer541]

It doesn't really matter as long as you finish the quest. But you would most likely get around the same damage with a finisher or without a finisher due to the length of time some weapons take in order to do there mount finisher attack.

[Vandals[UK]]

I think the down time is the same.
One way to prove it would be have someone record the gameplay and just count the seconds that the monster trips over in both situations.

However, I certainly thinks it is more efficient to attack the monster while your friend is mounted. It's like 3 people tries to attack it for half a minutes vs MAYBE extra seconds or two if all 3 of you sat back and watch.

[VBro96]

Tell your friend to shut up and play the game. If he's so much of a no-life that he wants to make it un-fun for everyone, stop playing with him. Let him go try-hard solo like a coomer

[Vandals[UK]]

Originally posted by LightbringerVirgo:

Tell your friend to shut up and play the game. If he's so much of a no-life that he wants to make it un-fun for everyone, stop playing with him. Let him go try-hard solo like a coomer

Talks about try-hard friend. A best friend of mine is exactly that. It got me to the point that I swear I will never play PvP game with him. EVER!

Even in Monster Hunter Frontier Online, he constantly moan: we are missing Severing weapon for tails / missing a horn to boost damage / missing a hammer to deal KO etc... while he only plays the weapon he wanted. Often times, it will be me filling in the gap. (That forces me to master several weapons).

As of now, he only uses Laptop / Tablet coz he found it more convenient. Which also means he can't play MHW because of it. Not gonna lie, I found it less stressful without him.