Evade Window : How important is it in your build?

[Lemonidas of Sourta]

So I had been messing around with the bow these days and I came across a simple problem when I was making a set. Seeing as how elemental attack and elemental Crit is important for bow DPS, I had to let go of Evade Window 3 that I had been using for everything without a shield (except SnS).

I figured my Luna helm Evade Extender 2 and bow's natural zippy-dashy playstyle would had been enough to ensure my survival. The result, however, was underwhelming. All goes swimmingly until I run out of power coatings (the inventory ones and crafted). Then I get clipped by Bazel wingtip, Jho tail whip and Nergi spike showers when I use close range coatings. I used an evasion mantle next to alleviate some of the issues but if by any chance, it ran out, it's back to broken hitbox city.

So I switched back to evade window 3 build at the cost of some Crit Boost and Attack jewels and found that it's much more easier to just survive from then on.

So I just wanted to ask the community about how important do you consider evade window for your builds. Judgement free zone to discuss this matter. Just ignore the usual 'git gudders' and 'huehuehue just use cluster bombs and rocksteady mantles nub' comments.

Addendum:
Just forgot to mention two things-
1) I have no problems with killing things, just the amount of damage I take while doing so.

2) I'm talking pure solo builds. I do 90% of the stuff solo as my internet recently have not been upto snuff.

[Saber]

Honestly?
Just use whatever brings you satisfaction.
If it makes hunts more fluid for you then it is pretty important.
Some people prefer pumping out as much DEEPS as possible while others prefer QoL changes.
Clearly you prefer dodging through everything and there's nothing wrong with that.

I will admit that it feels really nice.

[Sotanaht]

If you are good enough for Evade Window to be useful at all, how much better do you have to be before you don't need it anymore? If you can't dodge without it, you might not be able to dodge with it either. If you can dodge with it, getting a little better at dodging should let you dodge without it too.

[Popcorn]

Its pretty good, although i dont use it, my little (hes taller than me but younger) bro does.
Just wait til AT kushala parts comes out, itll probly help ur sets cuz theres a piece with window, not extender.

And, hey, every hunter has their own style of playing, just like how i like my health boosts to be on the safer side (used to be earplugs, but i felt it was quite unnecessary, as i was LS at the time, didnt kno bout foresight slash tho)

[Popcorn]

Originally posted by Sotanaht:

If you are good enough for Evade Window to be useful at all, how much better do you have to be before you don't need it anymore? If you can't dodge without it, you might not be able to dodge with it either. If you can dodge with it, getting a little better at dodging should let you dodge without it too.

This is a good one, and i also agree

[(ノ°□°)ノ]

Having evade window on every build honestly isnt recommended because you'd eventually be overly relying upon the skill, and therefore limit your build variety when you want to try out something else.

Sort of like earplugs 5.

It's more of a "getting used to it" situation when you remove evade window as you would have to mind your positioning more, and the smaller invuln windows for evades.

I only use evade window 5 for an evade lancing build, which is kinda for fun.
Otherwise, there are a lot of better skills you can use instead :D

[Xeroze]

To be honest, with a evasion mantle and temporal mantle, most fights are done or are already decided or close to finished by then if u decide to go with a more offensive build.

For defensive builds, just go for evade window 3 and sacrifice some dps skills be it ballistic, one of spread/rapid up and play with constitution 3 and dash juices.

Evade extender for bows to me is a trap option for most bow build except for behemoth. For most parts the dash dancing distance is far enough to move u away from danger, and the increased distance screws up positioning when u wan to switch from rapid to spread in the face when the window opens up for u to do so.

[Sotanaht]

Originally posted by Xeroze:

To be honest, with a evasion mantle and temporal mantle, most fights are done or are already decided or close to finished by then if u decide to go with a more offensive build.

For defensive builds, just go for evade window 3 and sacrifice some dps skills be it ballistic, one of spread/rapid up and play with constitution 3 and dash juices.

Evade extender for bows to me is a trap option for most bow build except for behemoth. For most parts the dash dancing distance is far enough to move u away from danger, and the increased distance screws up positioning when u wan to switch from rapid to spread in the face when the window opens up for u to do so.

We were talking Evade Window, Evade extender is an entirely different animal. One increases your i-frames during evade, the other increases the distance you travel. I-frames can be replaced with better timing, but distance is not something you can simply compensate for with skill, whether or not its something you need.

[hexis]

I've never played with EW, but also can't iframe through attacks and instead depend 99% on positioning myself in spots where the monster is unlikely to hit me. EE should help with this kind of style, especially against Luna who just doesn't give a crap and does constant 360 attacks around herself leaving no safe spots :p

But if that just isn't your playstyle, you could either stick with it and try to learn to dodge through attacks with the lessened iframes (though that won't be possible for attacks with more hurt frames than your iframes) or just drop the least important skill from your current build and slot EW back in. I'd probably go with the latter if the former feels too frustrating. QoL skills ftw!

[Linguistically Inept]

its a strong defensive skill; harder to quantify than health/divine... but id say its the best defensive skill (depending on weapon maybe... and obviously theres a skill middleground that best makes use of it)

that said; hard as ♥♥♥♥ to fit into builds; i run evade extender 2 on certain loadouts but i cant for the life of me fit in window5 without some major sacrifices; so much prefer extender to window personally

[pls giff First Berserker]

I usually have trouble with consistently dodging Teo/Kush and Diablos/Bazel roars, so I usually bring Evade Window 2 just for those ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ roars. But for SA (my second most used weapon), it actually serves as a pretty good indirect dps boost because youll be iframing (rolls) and hyperarmor-ing (sword mode attacks) through almost everything that aint gonna throw you off.

When I do get the timing on those roars, I can say I pretty much could ditch the skill

[Leoscar]

I don't think I frames are meant as a normal mean of dodging. For me the rolls are a way to reposition before the attack strikes you and actually ovoiding it. I frames are a last resort the way I see it.

[pls giff First Berserker]

Originally posted by Leoscar:

I don't think I frames are meant as a normal mean of dodging. For me the rolls are a way to reposition before the attack strikes you and actually ovoiding it. I frames are a last resort the way I see it.

In this title, yes definitely. But for long time players of the series, iframing through everything is what we lived for, and albeit harder to do in this title, is still fun

[Saber]

Originally posted by ❄:

Originally posted by Leoscar:

I don't think I frames are meant as a normal mean of dodging. For me the rolls are a way to reposition before the attack strikes you and actually ovoiding it. I frames are a last resort the way I see it.

In this title, yes definitely. But for long time players of the series, iframing through everything is what we lived for, and albeit harder to do in this title, is still fun

That feeling when you dodge through a roar with no evade window..

[pls giff First Berserker]

Originally posted by Shiny Steak:

Originally posted by ❄:

In this title, yes definitely. But for long time players of the series, iframing through everything is what we lived for, and albeit harder to do in this title, is still fun

That feeling when you dodge through a roar with no evade window..

Yep, its definitely one of those stuff that makes you feel good when you pull it off consistently. Tigrex was definitely the best monster to practice roar dodging back then, because if you failed to dodge one, you die from the roar itself lol

[kampfer91]

With evasion up you basically can dodge most attack / roar easily and keep up with the assault instead of screw up , got hit and spend 10 secs to drink potion .

Earplug is good , but it only good against monster roar , which seldomly use by monster during the hunt and you still vulnerable to monster attacks unless you have godly timing , that is something your average joe lack .