Light bowgun dmg?

[BrummBear]

So im experimenting with light bowgun and dont really get how people deal dmg with it. im using the karma with 2 reload and one close range augment.
rathsoul helm,
dober chest,
kaiser hands,
nerg coil
kirin pants
critical charm

thats gives me
attackboost 7
weaknes exploit 3
uhm... superwaffe? the thing that activates hidden element 2
critical boost 2
peak performance? the thing that gives affinity if stamina is full 1

since i got rapid fire on normal 2 ammo i mainly spam that towards the weakspots but coz monster is moving quite a lot some shots miss. is that all i can do to deal dmg or is there some kind of trick i just dont get?

[!?!]

Originally posted by BrummBear:

thanks for the advices. ill try that stuff out. also i personally dislike spread ammo because i wanted a ranged weapon with support potential and not another meele one.

You'll have to wait for kulves piercer HBG then, the big damage of all lbgs comes from laying down mines and punching/shooting them which is fairly melee.
That or just don't go damage and put on that wiggler hat.

[Aunel]

I just wouldn't bother with the damage mods. Being able to fire/reload without recoil or stopping is better for positioning and overall dps outside of a certain subset of guns which the only ones i can think of right now are the Scattercryst and Taroth glutton. Double recoil and a reload mod or visa version are my go to. Can't stop won't stop and the monster can't stop you. That's my suggestion anyway. source: 1300 hours on ps4 and veteran hunter. Getting you recoil downs as actual armor skills in earlier games was a pain, the fact you can just shove them into your gun now is insane to me. I don't need a small damage boost when i can be the most mobile untouchable little ♥♥♥♥ on the map. Landmines and dodge-slide bait the beast into them. 750 damage per dumbass stumble x2? Yes please. Focus skill for bonus recharge time. Ludicrous damage :D

[Gotsa]

i've been experimenting with LBG elemental builds. tried kirin thunder LBG with thunder +3, attack +7, weakness +3, pierce up, crit damage x1, rathalos mastery, and reload mods x3.

hitting the head constantly was just awful damage against pukei + tizi who have 3x weakness to thunder.

killed them in about 5 and a half to 6mins+ change each. and im like.... i can just use my diablos switch axe build and get it done in half the time so why bother with this attrocious weapon.

despite all those stats, on optional high rank pukei and tizi who have 3* thunder elemental weakness. i was hitting for the initial hit of ~38, second and third hits for 10. so total for about 58 damage a shot, 3 load capacity + reload.... dps is just so gahd dang low.

i can not recommend elemental LBG for damage dealers, its just too weak.

im just going to turn it into a full on support build with wiggler helm, ammo up, and any other support things i can throw in.

[Zombina]

Originally posted by kyle1234513:

i've been experimenting with LBG elemental builds. tried kirin thunder LBG with thunder +3, attack +7, weakness +3, pierce up, crit damage x1, rathalos mastery, and reload mods x3.

hitting the head constantly was just awful damage against pukei + tizi who have 3x weakness to thunder.

killed them in about 5 and a half to 6mins+ change each. and im like.... i can just use my diablos switch axe build and get it done in half the time so why bother with this attrocious weapon.

despite all those stats, on optional high rank pukei and tizi who have 3* thunder elemental weakness. i was hitting for the initial hit of ~38, second and third hits for 10. so total for about 58 damage a shot, 3 load capacity + reload.... dps is just so gahd dang low.

i can not recommend elemental LBG for damage dealers, its just too weak.

im just going to turn it into a full on support build.

there are youtube videos where people kill monsters in 2 or 4min an you say its not a damage weapon? lol
you have no idea of what you talk about,also it took me 6min to kill nergigante temptered version,without trying hard with pierce ammo 2 and great bowgun ...
Some people just don't have the decorations so they do with what they have ... and your recommandation,you can keep them for yourself lol . Let people ask for help,don't tell them what to play,just sit and stay quiet lol

[Aunel]

Elemental LBG *IS* too weak though that's capcoms fault since a bowgun can only benefit ever from 2 ranks of an elemental boost skill, whereas any other weapon can benefit from 1 rank per 100 elemental rating, anything over say, 410 can benefit from 5 ranks. Biggest problem point when comparing numbers is non elemental boost. single 2 slot deco and bam, yet another +10% total damage to the weapon.

[Gotsa]

Originally posted by Mizukisha:

Originally posted by kyle1234513:

i've been experimenting with LBG elemental builds. tried kirin thunder LBG with thunder +3, attack +7, weakness +3, pierce up, crit damage x1, rathalos mastery, and reload mods x3.

hitting the head constantly was just awful damage against pukei + tizi who have 3x weakness to thunder.

killed them in about 5 and a half to 6mins+ change each. and im like.... i can just use my diablos switch axe build and get it done in half the time so why bother with this attrocious weapon.

despite all those stats, on optional high rank pukei and tizi who have 3* thunder elemental weakness. i was hitting for the initial hit of ~38, second and third hits for 10. so total for about 58 damage a shot, 3 load capacity + reload.... dps is just so gahd dang low.

i can not recommend elemental LBG for damage dealers, its just too weak.

im just going to turn it into a full on support build.

there are youtube videos where people kill monsters in 2 or 4min an you say its not a damage weapon? lol
you have no idea of what you talk about,also it took me 6min to kill nergigante temptered version,without trying hard with pierce ammo 2 and great bowgun ...
Some people just don't have the decorations so they do with what they have ... and your recommandation,you can keep them for yourself lol . Let people ask for help,don't tell them what to play,just sit and stay quiet lol

its not salt, that was just my experience, it was bad damage, the enemies you are talking about have huge bodies so you're getting tons of pierce hits granting 2x or even 3x damage.

rapid fire on ele kirin LBG is trash damage.

[Zombina]

Originally posted by kyle1234513:

Originally posted by Mizukisha:

there are youtube videos where people kill monsters in 2 or 4min an you say its not a damage weapon? lol
you have no idea of what you talk about,also it took me 6min to kill nergigante temptered version,without trying hard with pierce ammo 2 and great bowgun ...
Some people just don't have the decorations so they do with what they have ... and your recommandation,you can keep them for yourself lol . Let people ask for help,don't tell them what to play,just sit and stay quiet lol

its not salt, that was just my experience, it was bad damage, the enemies you are talking about have huge bodies so you're getting tons of pierce hits granting 2x or even 3x damage.

rapid fire on ele kirin LBG is trash damage.

I use slice ammo for kirin or sticky nades :D but I killed kirin tempetered version in a 15min mission in 10min,ok it's not really efficient but it still work, I love karma tho ♥
And normal ammo 2 is the cheapest ammo of the game,so yeah go Ammo 2 and burn others LBG XD
And if you aim the head,that cant be trash damage,I think my crit was 47 on hit in the head,without attack jewel

[PixelPerfect]

I've been playing exclusively with LBGs and HBGs since the game's release (on PC, that is). What I've noticed is that the one major advantage of Light Bowguns is instead the major mobility you get over Heavy Bowguns. It's overall more 'Utility' than it is damage. I treat Light Bowguns like one-handed swords in RPGs (faster, less damage), and HBGs are the two-handed counterpart. The HBG is slower, but hits like a truck if you do build them for damage. And it's not just with the Cluster ammo type. Something like the Griffon Blazooka (Diablos) or the Dark Devourer (Devilhjo) built with Elementless + Normal Shots damage are applying the hurts very well; so does Fusillade with Spread and close range dps builds.

And when it comes to Light Bowguns I actually prefer the Neqiina (Xeno's LBG), over the Karma, since it has more ammo types that better fit the role of Light Bowguns over Karma. You get Spread ammo with Karma with way too much recoil to start with. But Spread shines on HBGs, not so much so with LBGs. In my opinion ANY Light Bowguns with more than one level of Spread in it is a waste, and shouldn't be used (I mean the Spread ammo type should not be used on LBGs, but that's just me I guess; I just dislike it a lot on LBGs). The Neqiina has Thunder, Water, Freeze, Slice, Pierce... rapid fire on Normals, it has it all.

I mean look at it this way. If you add any and all combinations of bonuses, skills and boosts (like Weakness Exploit, Critical boosts, Attack boosts, etc) on pretty much any viable HBGs then you'll always do more dps than if you were to add any of that on any LBGs.

However, with this said... if you REALLY just specifically want to use Light Bowguns and focus with damage then you're already doing it right, per se. I mean it's pretty straightforward. Just find the bonuses and skills and boosts that would increase damage and you're set. You've already done most of the work yourself. BUT, if I had to choose a specific Light Bowgun though, I would get the Neqiina instead. Now I'm NOT saying that the Karma is "bad" (I have it, I keep it). I have actually tried to do that early on when I got to High Rank. I went "full glass cannon" with my Neqiina. The gist is... it wasn't worth it. It's not THAT noticeable, and it's a very high risk for being way too fragile.

With Light Bowguns I would instead build my character around 'Utility' and mobility, instead of dps. Make yourself an absolute nightmarish nuisance to Monsters by essentially being impossible to touch. Give yourself Evade Window, Flinch Free, Stun resistance, Guard or Vitality boosts and things like that. Now THAT would allow you to basically fire at monsters more since they just can't get to you, much less HIT you. If you spend more TIME successfully firing at and avoiding monsters you'll essentially do "more dps" indirectly while not having to worry too much about actually going semi or full glass cannon. Ironically enough, this approach would also be very good with HBGs (especially Evade Window / Extender, which is often considered a 'must' by a lot of HBG players).

Anyway, going back to LGBs here... so the Karma... it's alright, but it's not better than the Neqiina in my book. My problem with Light Bowguns though, is that there's very few of them that are worth using because I personally really, REALLY dislike Spread ammo on LBGs like I said (way too much recoil in general even with Recoil Assists, or not enough ammo Capacity... there's almost always a problem with Spread on LBGs) and there's just WAY too many LBGs that COULD have had more useful ammo types instead, but those ammo 'slots' are taken by Spread levels instead, ugh. A complete waste.

I ended up ONLY keeping the Neqiina and the Karma in the end. Both of those LBGs actually do pretty much everything LBGs should do. I honestly cannot think of any other LBGs in the game right now that would be better than either of them unless you go with a very specific ammunition type and you'd then need a specific LBG that specialize into that type of ammo. After I got my Neqiina I basically got rid of my other LBGs (well, except the Karma) and I don't even remember their name.

Anyways, my two cents.

[Aunel]

Originally posted by Zenoth:

I've been playing exclusively with LBGs and HBGs since the game's release (on PC, that is). What I've noticed is that the one major advantage of Light Bowguns is instead the major mobility you get over Heavy Bowguns. It's overall more 'Utility' than it is damage. I treat Light Bowguns like one-handed swords in RPGs (faster, less damage), and HBGs are the two-handed counterpart. The HBG is slower, but hits like a truck if you do build them for damage. And it's not just with the Cluster ammo type. Something like the Griffon Blazooka (Diablos) or the Dark Devourer (Devilhjo) built with Elementless + Normal Shots damage is are applying the hurts very well; so does Fusillade with Spread and close range dps builds.

And when it comes to Light Bowguns I actually prefer the Neqiina (Xeno's LBG), over the Karma, since it has more ammo types that better fit the role of Light Bowguns over Karma. You get Spread ammo with Karma with way too much recoil to start with. But Spread shines on HBGs, not so much so with LBGs. In my opinion ANY Light Bowguns with more than one level of Spread in it is a waste, and shouldn't be used (I mean the Spread ammo type should not be used on LBGs, but that's just me I guess; I just dislike it a lot on LBGs). The Neqiina has Thunder, Water, Freeze, Slice, Pierce... rapid fire on Normals, it has it all.

I mean look at it this way. If you add any and all combinations of bonuses, skills and boosts (like Weakness Exploit, Critical boosts, Attack boosts, etc) on pretty much any viable HBGs then you'll always do more dps than if you were to add any of that on any LBGs.

However, with this said... if you REALLY just specifically want to use Light Bowguns and focus with damage then you're already doing it right, per se. I mean it's pretty straightforward. Just find the bonuses and skills and boosts that would increase damage and you're set. You've already done most of the work yourself. BUT, if I had to choose a specific Light Bowgun though, I would get the Neqiina instead. Now I'm NOT saying that the Karma is "bad" (I have it, I keep it). I have actually tried to do that early on when I got to High Rank. I went "full glass cannon" with my Neqiina. The gist is... it wasn't worth it. It's not THAT noticeable, and it's a very high risk for being way too fragile.

With Light Bowguns I would instead build my character around 'Utility' and mobility, instead of dps. Make yourself an absolute nightmarish nuisance to Monsters by essentially being impossible to touch. Give yourself Evade Window, Flinch Free, Stun resistance, Guard or Vitality boosts and things like that. Now THAT would allow you to basically fire at monsters more since they just can't get to you, much less HIT you. If you spend more TIME successfully firing at and avoiding monsters you'll essentially do "more dps" indirectly while not having to worry too much about actually going semi or full glass cannon. Ironically enough, this approach would also be very good with HBGs (especially Evade Window / Extender, which is often considered a 'must' by a lot of HBG players).

Anyway, going back to LGBs here... so the Karma... it's alright, but it's not better than the Neqiina in my book. My problem with Light Bowguns though, is that there's very few of them that are worth using because I personally really, REALLY dislike Spread ammo on LBGs like I said (way too much recoil in general even with Recoil Assists, or not enough ammo Capacity... there's almost always a problem with Spread on LBGs) and there's just WAY too many LBGs that COULD have had more useful ammo types instead, but those ammo 'slots' are taken by Spread levels instead, ugh. A complete waste. I ended up ONLY keeping the Neqiina and the Karma in the end. Both of those LBGs actually do pretty much everything LBGs should do. I honestly cannot think of any other LBGs in the game right now that would be better than either of them unless you go with a very specific ammunition type and you'd then need a specific LBG that specialize into that type of ammo. After I got my Neqiina I basically got rid of my other LBGs and I don't even remember their name.

Anyways, my two cents.

So to most of the above, i feel the same. Aside from the Xeno line of weapons. I used them briefly when i first unlocked them but i found them...i guess they don't feel right. I choose my guns based on how they feel in a fight, it could be less DAMAGE! than another gun, but if a gun doesn't feel like right to use, sluggish or slow i just don't. But you seem to love the LBG as much as i do so i'll give it a round two and see if i can figure out what you have and i have not. Though nothing will ever replace my Taroth Blitz. HBG damage on an LBG frame. Keep an eye out for it.

[Zombina]

Nergigante's LBG also have rapid fire,which make it a good weapon if uyou can't affort the xeno weapon

[Gotsa]

im not going to call the LBG bad, but i will say every other weapon deals at least 25% more damage than it, so your 3~4minute speed runs.... other weapons have a minute 50s speed run. LBG is viable, just lesser damage output. thats all.

the tradeoff is mobility and utility and thats fine, im glad the LBG is here, but trying to use the LBG as a mainstream DPS weapon is just..... "ugh"

[Zombina]

well to point out everythng in a whole square then put that squar ein my bag :
you can't say that ranged weapons are better than melee
a GS can't beat a bow
A Bow can't beat an hammer
Melee vs Ranged : The Bowguns are all support ,no matter what
while your teamate melee do their job,you can paralyze,heal,deal damage,poison,sleep etc etc etc
you don't have to deal damage you must support your team .
If you want a DPS ranged weapon Go Bow and spam pierce dragon or Spread the love with the spread shots .
The hbg is just long ranged wepaon for the people scared to go melee ,it has decent damage and the cluster ammo . HBG is good for pierce,cluster and sticky
But LBG,its not a dps weapon . It's just mobility and support . U want to stun mobs? go karma with exhaust ammo . you want to hit and run? it's possible too,shoot + dodge,its just the gameplay that is different,but it's also a damage weapon,in a game I died I dealt 5.8k dmg i was second after a GS with 6k
in 6-8min
in a 18min game a gs deal 12.8k i dealt 12.6k dmg the rest f the team dealt 4k,depend how you play and stuff you have ... when a melee can't do anything,especially the dual blade vs a bazelgeuse,you can support them and deal the damage because clock is ticking,you don't want to fail your quest,so help your team,you're a damage dealer,a support ,I do both

[BrummBear]

just to clarify: im a couple hours into the game. a little above 200 i think. mostly with greatsword, gunlance and insect glaive. so i have access to everything there is on PC version. well not every decoration. missing standard boost for example. but got 4 attack thingys. lel. and im also not trying to speedrun anything. thats not how i want to hunt. i enjoy taking my time, slow and steady. but i also dont want to screw up those 15 min tempered kirin things. the recoil modification actually makes the recoil better even if it doesnt change the value from normal to low? i tried it and it feels like it does.

can u explain the slide dodge and activate mini nuke stuff someone mentioned here?

[Arkzus]

So I feel pretty noobie at the game still but, this is the build I'm aiming for with LBG's. I don't have Nerg's LBG yet so I've been using Karma with 3 Recoil mods on it, personal perference there. Take it how you will, but it's been working really well for me so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSVDZtk6wMw&t=

[BrummBear]

Originally posted by Arkzus:

So I feel pretty noobie at the game still but, this is the build I'm aiming for with LBG's. I don't have Nerg's LBG yet so I've been using Karma with 3 Recoil mods on it, personal perference there. Take it how you will, but it's been working really well for me so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSVDZtk6wMw&t=

i kinda disliked the video instantly coz he said "git gud" while beeing an adult... *sights*