How to maximize minimum offensive skills?

[Shindiggidy]

I'm more interested in builds that have lots of room to add whatever you want. So I was wondering if there is a setup that adds a good amount of offense for minimum skill investment instead of filling my armor with attack 7, and affinity, and weakness exploit, handicraft for white sharpness etc.

I was thinking non-elemental-boost is the obvious option if I just want one thing, but how does it / can it interact with other skills? Afaik it adds damage based on raw damage, but does this synchronize with anything? I have two questions here. One, can anything modify the raw damage that non-ele-boost scales off of, or is it actual raw (like, unmodified)? Two, are there skills that scale off of the damage that non-ele-boost adds? Like, do handicraft, weakness exploit, or affinity do this? Or will non-ele-boost always just be a flat damage amount added, without taking part in any multipliers?

[Zamus]

Elementless is a 10% increase over BASE raw physical damage any other skill that adds attack adds a flat amount, the bonus from sharpness and affinity then scales of the full raw damage after combining all bonuses.

[Greb]

I vaguely remember a build that took the Diablos Shatterer hammer (really high raw damage) and combined it with the Diablos set bonus to do more damage as it went down in sharpness + couldn't have its attacks deflected, boosted with Attack Boost, Slugger, Part Breaker and Stamina Thief. I don't remember the items or decorations used though.

I don't know the numbers, though.

Can you explain Attack Boost for me? I always end up skipping over it because the +21 Attack thiung seems so tiny in comparison to my 1000 Attack hammer...but I have a feeling I'm not looking at it right. I know damage scales down like 90% in relation to what you hit, or something..so maybe that's how Attack Boost works too? A 1000 damage hammer can expect 100 damage hits before any multipliers come into play, right? Give or take.

Does that technically mean that Attack Boost 7 would be adding 210 Attack to my hammer in terms of its printed, written attack? Like Attack Boost 7 + 1000 damage hammer would really be 1210 damage hammer, technically? If so, that's huge. Is there a cap?

It's about time I stop ignoring Attack Boost, I just want someone to explain to me why I should, besides the +5% Affinity. I know it HAS to be decent, every build I see seems to love it, and the decorations for it are very rare too.

Was a bit frustrated recently when I was trying to build into the Rathalos Sword and Shield, since I made an "iron clad" build with Level 5 Fire Attack in it, and wasted materials making a Blaze Charm III, then I realised you cap out the elemental bonus at Level 2 Fire Attack (with that particular weapon)

Really wish I understood the intricate number details better

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Non ele is a flat 10% boost to your raw damage. If you have a weapon that has 100 raw, non ele will bring that up to 110. If you get have a weapon that has 80 raw and get 20 from other sources, it will still be 110 from.

Weakness exploit and affinity don't modify your raw, just your ability to crit when attacking weak points.

Handicraft raises weapon sharpness which modifies your final damage calcualtions.

Red Orange Yellow Green Blue White
0.50 0.75 1.00 1.0 1.20 1.32

So with this chart, if you do 1 damage after everything but before weapon sharpness, the following chart will tell you how much extra damage you gain or lose based on sharpness.

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Publicado originalmente por Greb:

I vaguely remember a build that took the Diablos Shatterer hammer (really high raw damage) and combined it with the Diablos set bonus to do more damage as it went down in sharpness + couldn't have its attacks deflected, boosted with Attack Boost, Slugger, Part Breaker and Stamina Thief. I don't remember the items or decorations used though.

I don't know the numbers, though.

Can you explain Attack Boost for me? I always end up skipping over it because the +21 Attack thiung seems so tiny in comparison to my 1000 Attack hammer...but I have a feeling I'm not looking at it right. I know damage scales down like 90% in relation to what you hit, or something..so maybe that's how Attack Boost works too? A 1000 damage hammer can expect 100 damage hits before any multipliers come into play, right? Give or take.

Do that technically mean that Attack Boost 7 would be adding 210 Attack to my hammer in terms of its printed, written attack?

It's about time I stop ignoring Attack Boost, I just want someone to explain to me why I should, besides the +5% Affinity.

Was a bit frustrated recently when I was trying to build into the Rathalos Sword and Shield, since I made an "iron clad" build with Level 5 Fire Attack in it, and wasted materials making a Blaze Charm III, then I realised you cap out the elemental bonus at Level 2 Fire Attack (with that particular weapon)

Really wish I understood the intricate number details better

Attack modifiers are based on weapon speeds and motion values. It's actually rather complicated, but getting +4 Attack is generally always one of the first things you look for in any build that can crit.

If you want to actually read it all, there's quite a bit and it's all presented here.

https://mhworld.kiranico.com/guide/damage

[Greb]

How does Diablos Mastery work in relation to "raises attack as your sharpness decreases" and such, when White Sharpness is a +32% damage increase, give or take?

Is it worth it in the end, or is it more of a niche novelty thing? In a perfect world it would simply reverse the damage values so eventually you'd hit Red Sharpness and gain 1.32 damage infinitely, or something...but I know that won't be the case at all.

Publicado originalmente por Iluuni:

If you want to actually read it all, there's quite a bit and it's all presented here.

https://mhworld.kiranico.com/guide/damage

I'll have a look. Thanks. Any way you could explain it in dumbass though, so I might understand?

[雑•Nubi]

Publicado originalmente por Alice:

It's called "set", not "build".

[Zamus]

Publicado originalmente por Greb:

Can you explain Attack Boost for me? I always end up skipping over it because the +21 Attack thiung seems so tiny in comparison to my 1000 Attack hammer...but I have a feeling I'm not looking at it right

The damage formulas on this game are unnecesarily convulted

What you see on the status page is not the actual attack of your hammer, every weapon base damage is multiplied for whatever reason by a hidden modifier, I can't remember the hammer one but is a very high one so I'm gonna assume it's a 5x, this means attack 7 that adds 21 damage actually adds 105 damage to your hammer, asumming you have a 1000 damage hammer this is roughly a 10% boost.

Mind you looking for attack 7 imo is severelly overrated, attack 4 is enough for the affinity, I rather have some extra survival or utility skills instead.

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NO ARMOR (constant 912 ATT): B: 166 / G: 145 / Y: 83 / O: 62 / R: 41 (Attack bounces)

2 DIABLOS ARMOR (Only Bludgeoner active): B: 166 (912 ATT) / G: 157 (984 ATT) 7.89% ATT increase / Y: 157 (1032 ATT) 13.15% ATT+ / O: 120 (1056 ATT) 15.78% ATT+ / R: 80 (1056 ATT) (No bounce, for some reason)

4 DIABLOS ARMOR (Bludgeoner + Non-Elem Boost): B: 183 (1003) 9.97% ATT+ / G: 173 (1085) 18.96% ATT+ / Y: 173 (1138) 24.78% ATT+ /


Basically it just lets you drop down to yellow right before red sharpness before you're bouncing attacks too much and need to sharpen your weapon.

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Publicado originalmente por Greb:

How does Diablos Mastery work in relation to "raises attack as your sharpness decreases" and such, when White Sharpness is a +32% damage increase, give or take?

Is it worth it in the end, or is it more of a niche novelty thing? In a perfect world it would simply reverse the damage values so eventually you'd hit Red Sharpness and gain 1.32 damage infinitely, or something...but I know that won't be the case at all.

Publicado originalmente por Iluuni:

If you want to actually read it all, there's quite a bit and it's all presented here.

https://mhworld.kiranico.com/guide/damage

I'll have a look. Thanks. Any way you could explain it in dumbass though, so I might understand?

Fast attacks do low damage but proc status more often, slow attacks do more but don't proc status as much. Keep your sharpness up.

[Greb]

Oh right, it must be another skill that prevents bouncing then...maybe the Teostra one or the Rathalos one I'm thinking of. I'm thinking Rathalos...I remember looking into Critical Eye at some point and then deciding against it, not knowing how the elemental damage cap works and such.

Publicado originalmente por 雑•Nubi:

Publicado originalmente por Alice:

It's called "set", not "build".

You say tomato..

Publicado originalmente por Iluuni:

Fast attacks do low damage, slow attacks do more. Keep your sharpness up.

Ya ya, kind of basic video game mechanics that. Fast light hits, slow heavy hits, death of a thousand cuts or death by arc of obliteration I used to totally ignore white sharpness, I was happy enough with blue, but I recently started using a Daora / Death Stench combo with the Xeno weapons and I've really taken to staying in white sharpness forever. Makes a change from using Tier 8 Nergigante constantly anyway.

Next time I play, I'll whip up an Attack Boost 7 set of armour, Dober should be a step in the right direction for that, maybe I'll have to upgrade the Attack Charm too etc, and I'll see how much of a difference having it versus not having it makes in the training room.

If it turns out to be super good though, that's more build stress for me trying to cram Attack Boost in there too...argh. Bye bye Earplugs, no doubt.

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Publicado originalmente por Greb:

Oh right, it must be another skill that prevents bouncing then...maybe the Teostra one or the Rathalos one I'm thinking of. I'm thinking Rathalos...I remember looking into Critical Eye at some point and then deciding against it, not knowing how the elemental damage cap works and such.

Publicado originalmente por 雑•Nubi:

You say tomato..

IIRC the elemental cap is +30% of the weapon's raw elemental damage. The Rath Soul set is very VERY good with DB/Spread shot bow builds.

However the GS is the exception to this,

DO
NOT
GO
ELEMENTAL
WITH
GREAT SWORD

GS is all about that sweet, sweet true charge hit.

[Greb]

Yeah I can't remember exactly but the SnS I was using, Tier 7 I think, Rathalos one, end of the tree, it had (210) Fire Attack, and reached its cap of (230) at Fire Attack Level 2 and didn't see any increases beyond that.

I don't understand how it works. I saw that Level 4 and Level 5 of the Fire Attack skill adds +100 and +5% or +10% respective, so I figured it would be huge elemental damage, but aparently not. So very confusing at all times. That's why I normally stick with raw.

I remember seeing 1008 hits with the Tier 8 Nerg Greatsword on the PS4, and that was without really caring about stuff like Critical Boost and Attack Boost and what have you. Greatsword is definitely all about the raw, for sure. I started on the hammer and thought that hit hard, then I moved on to the Greatsword and I was instantly enthralled by the damage increase, lol.

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The higher levels are the game's way of trying to balance out slower attacking weapon's having elemental damage. Most weapons won't go past 2 or 3 before they hit the cap, and the ones that do, 99/100 times you're better off going with raw/crit draw/weakness exploit builds over elemental.

Example, CB. Most have decent elemental damage, however SAED (the big attack you can spam every 5 seconds or so if you're good) doesn't crit, so you're better off stacking as much raw and going with the Diablos weapon even though it has -30 affinity. And the Rocket Great Sword that's hopefully coming soon. Even though it CAN take all 5 levels of +Fire attack, it's only useful on Val, and even then it still falls behind the raw damage build.

[Greb]

I suppose that makes sense. Late game weapons are "better" because you need less X skill to make them reach their cap. I never thought of it like that, they're not limited, they're just already almost maxed by default. Or something.

Yeah, I'm starting to not be able to have any build without Weakness Exploit in it by default.

Sometime soon maybe when I get more decorations I might start looking into Affinity focused weapons like the Kulu hammer and such. I'm waiting for a Hero's Streamstone: Sword or Hammer to upgrade my Xeno weapon...not sure if I'll go with health regen or affinity. +25% affinity seems like it'd be fantastic with Weakness Exploit Level 3 and Attack Boost 4...but Health Regen might encourage me to stop using Mushroomancer for healing too. Decisions decisions.

I wonder if taking a Crushing Beak III to 35% Affinity and then using Weakness Exploit to make that 85% then squeezing the last 15% from somewhere (Max Might, Crit Eye, Attack Boost, I dunno) and then taking Teostra's Technique would be a viable strat or not.

Doesn't have to be a Crushing Beak III though, just any old Affinity focused weapon maybe.

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Publicado originalmente por Greb:

I suppose that makes sense. Late game weapons are "better" because you need less X skill to make them reach their cap. I never thought of it like that, they're not limited, they're just already almost maxed by default. Or something.

Yeah, I'm starting to not be able to have any build without Weakness Exploit in it by default.

Sometime soon maybe when I get more decorations I might start looking into Affinity focused weapons like the Kulu hammer and such. I'm waiting for a Hero's Streamstone: Sword or Hammer to upgrade my Xeno weapon...not sure if I'll go with health regen or affinity. +25% affinity seems like it'd be fantastic with Weakness Exploit Level 3 and Attack Boost 4...but Health Regen might encourage me to stop using Mushroomancer for healing too. Decisions decisions.

I wonder if taking a Crushing Beak III to 35% Affinity and then using Weakness Exploit to make that 85% then squeezing the last 15% from somewhere (Max Might, Crit Eye, Attack Boost, I dunno) and then taking Teostra's Technique would be a viable strat or not.

Doesn't have to be a Crushing Beak III though, just any old Affinity focused weapon maybe.

Regen, ALWAYS regen. Nothing in the game increases your kill rate more than the regen augment outside of simply gitting gud. If you git gud, you won't be hit, then you don't need the regen augment and can go affinity/socket/raw

As far as hammers go, go the Parahammer build using the Girros hammer, it locks down the monster for more face bashing which leads to more knock outs, which in turn leads to more face bashing which feeds another paralyize, which in turn gives MORE face bashing for another KO, and you get the point.

For GS, you can LOL at the damage you take and go almost pure blind aggro with the regen augment, level 1 charge gets you like 20% of your health, level 2 is like 40-50%, and true charge will heal you almost completely.

Regen heals for 10% of the damage done, which is just dumb with the GS.

Edit: With my GS build on PS4, I run the Kulv Crit build with an extra resist stun jewel, as long as the monster can't do 2 OHKs back to back, I really don't move out of any attacks and just face tank everything because LOL I heal more than it does to me.