Ceras Vs. Villanous?

[webmetalreese]

Been wondering about this since I started doing Jho runs. According the the website most of us use, https://mhworld.kiranico.com/weapon/villainous-bow is ranked #1 in bows.

But my question is why? It literally has no slots and the affinity is only 5 better than the Ceras. What makes it a better bow? Right now I've been using Ceras for about 50 HR's and it's literally never let me down.

But is it really worth it to make? Jho's Tailfang drops about as often as an attack deco.

I'd really like your thoughts.

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by Cuddly Beast:

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

My build can still boost dmg by investing Attack skill . The reason why my build deal lesser dmg than this video is that I am investing max focus skill which is just optional . But I have personal OCD about having focus skill and the armor which give me focus skill looks cool and match with the whole mixed set . Until Capcom didn’t release enough layered armors , I am playing with 50 fashion / 50 function .

Cera with non elem boost beats Jho no matter how you try and do it. Someone in youtube has done the tests to compare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_F4fCV0OTo

Yea still Jho bow have high elderseal and also can be use as crit element build which over all damage is much much higher than Cera DP spam . In practice , I’ve seen a lot of Cera DP spammers carted by monster striking to their face while charging DP .

Still versatile bow

[Cuddly Beast]

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Originally posted by Cuddly Beast:

Cera with non elem boost beats Jho no matter how you try and do it. Someone in youtube has done the tests to compare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_F4fCV0OTo

Yea still Jho bow have high elderseal and also can be use as crit element build which over all damage is much much higher than Cera DP spam . In practice , I’ve seen a lot of DP spammer carted by monster striking to their face while charging DP .

Still versatile bow

Yes, correct. Dash dancing stronger than DP hence why people spec to elemental bows over raw.

For DP usage = cera
For dash dancing = elemental bows

[webmetalreese]

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Originally posted by Cuddly Beast:

Cera with non elem boost beats Jho no matter how you try and do it. Someone in youtube has done the tests to compare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_F4fCV0OTo

Yea still Jho bow have high elderseal and also can be use as crit element build which over all damage is much much higher than Cera DP spam . In practice , I’ve seen a lot of Cera DP spammer carted by monster striking to their face while charging DP

This often does happen to me, no lie - but I rarely cart.
Perhaps take a look at my build and lend some tips? I only have so much to work on. I really like DP, but I find myself in front of or underneath a monster more times than I like but I've tried to build around that type of scenario - where I prefer DP but sometimes I have to just pump O.

Cera
Dragon Eyepatch
Nerg B Mail
Kaiser B Vambraces
Nerg B Coil
Lavasioth Greaves
Fitness

Decos:
Trueshot
Trueshot
Forceshot
Vitality
Vitality
Pierce
Elementless
Jumping

Gives me:
Expolit - 3
Const - 3
Attack - 2
Health - 2
Spec. Ammo - 2
Stamina - 2
Normal shot
Piercing shot
Spread Shot

I normally do around 90 on the pole with DP and about 30 a tick with spreadshot.

Have I mixed too much perhaps? I know I f*d up the augment with Cera by putting health regen in instead of affinity, trying to fix that now. Any tips on how to min/max?

Now let's say for example I'd start maining with Villanous, what would I have to change in order to see better #'s than what I'm getting now with Cera while still being able to survive a hit?

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by webmetalreese:

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Yea still Jho bow have high elderseal and also can be use as crit element build which over all damage is much much higher than Cera DP spam . In practice , I’ve seen a lot of Cera DP spammer carted by monster striking to their face while charging DP

This often does happen to me, no lie - but I rarely cart.
Perhaps take a look at my build and lend some tips? I only have so much to work on. I really like DP, but I find myself in front of or underneath a monster more times than I like but I've tried to build around that type of scenario - where I prefer DP but sometimes I have to just pump O.

Cera
Dragon Eyepatch
Nerg B Mail
Kaiser B Vambraces
Nerg B Coil
Lavasioth Greaves
Fitness

Decos:
Trueshot
Trueshot
Forceshot
Vitality
Vitality
Pierce
Elementless
Jumping

Gives me:
Expolit - 3
Const - 3
Attack - 2
Health - 2
Spec. Ammo - 2
Stamina - 2
Normal shot
Piercing shot
Spread Shot

I normally do around 90 on the pole with DP and about 30 a tick with spreadshot.

Have I mixed too much perhaps? I know I f*d up the augment with Cera by putting health regen in instead of affinity, trying to fix that now. Any tips on how to min/max?

I think you need Crit draw lvl 3 and sheath lvl 3

Crit draw lvl 3 give 100% crit chance and no need to shot weak spots . But u need to sheath and draw to activate . So 3 sheath decks for faster process

And crit boost ! 100% crit chance with 40% crit damage

[webmetalreese]

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

Originally posted by webmetalreese:

This often does happen to me, no lie - but I rarely cart.
Perhaps take a look at my build and lend some tips? I only have so much to work on. I really like DP, but I find myself in front of or underneath a monster more times than I like but I've tried to build around that type of scenario - where I prefer DP but sometimes I have to just pump O.

Cera
Dragon Eyepatch
Nerg B Mail
Kaiser B Vambraces
Nerg B Coil
Lavasioth Greaves
Fitness

Decos:
Trueshot
Trueshot
Forceshot
Vitality
Vitality
Pierce
Elementless
Jumping

Gives me:
Expolit - 3
Const - 3
Attack - 2
Health - 2
Spec. Ammo - 2
Stamina - 2
Normal shot
Piercing shot
Spread Shot

I normally do around 90 on the pole with DP and about 30 a tick with spreadshot.

Have I mixed too much perhaps? I know I f*d up the augment with Cera by putting health regen in instead of affinity, trying to fix that now. Any tips on how to min/max?

I think you need Crit draw lvl 3 and sheath lvl 3

Crit draw lvl 3 give 100% crit chance and no need to shot weak spots . But u need to sheath and draw to activate . So 3 sheath decks for faster process

Thank you. If they drop I won't meld them haha.
Or what gear would you swap out to give you those attributes? Just follow the video - I would need to get three sheath decos as well as a crit.
Is that how it goes then?

[Fox! ϡpeace]

if you're using a DP build, i feel like you're generally playing bow wrong if you're trying to maximize damage

bow is almost entirely carried by its elemental damage once you slot in extra bow charge + spread + power shots into your gear while using crit element

[The High Seraph]

If u want to spam DP and want to go Crit draw , no need Weakness exploit .

Azure Rath helm have 1 crit boost
Bazel arm have 2 crit draw

U also don’t need fitness charm for dP build . So attack charm or crit boost charm or draw charm as u like . Nergigante mail have lvl 2 stamina surge which is also just optional . So go armor with attack boost by 2 ( don’t remember the name exactly sorry )

With attack charm + armor + Nergigante Coil , u got attack lvl 7 ! A lot of raw for dp

[webmetalreese]

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

If u want to spam DP and want to go Crit draw , no need Weakness exploit .

Azure Rath helm have 1 crit boost
Bazel arm have 2 crit draw

U also don’t need fitness charm for dP build . So attack charm or crit boost charm or draw charm as u like . Nergigante mail have lvl 2 stamina surge which is also just optional . So go armor with attack boost by 2 ( don’t remember the name exactly sorry )

With attack charm + armor + Nergigante Coil , u got attack lvl 7 ! A lot of raw for dp

Thanks so much! I'll see what I can do. Now it was stated that you can run the Villanous with a DP build, so the dragon element would just be added dmg or would you have to adjust the build again?

[The High Seraph]

Originally posted by webmetalreese:

Originally posted by The High Seraph:

If u want to spam DP and want to go Crit draw , no need Weakness exploit .

Azure Rath helm have 1 crit boost
Bazel arm have 2 crit draw

U also don’t need fitness charm for dP build . So attack charm or crit boost charm or draw charm as u like . Nergigante mail have lvl 2 stamina surge which is also just optional . So go armor with attack boost by 2 ( don’t remember the name exactly sorry )

With attack charm + armor + Nergigante Coil , u got attack lvl 7 ! A lot of raw for dp

Thanks so much! I'll see what I can do. Now it was stated that you can run the Villanous with a DP build, so the dragon element would just be added dmg or would you have to adjust the build again?

Ppl go dp with raw because DP damage formula multiplier is higher in raw than element . I don’t remember exact number . So it goes with separate way . When you shot DP with Jho bow having 330 raw + 270 dragon . 330 raw have higher DP multiplier and 270 dragon have lower DP multiplier and two type of damage will combine finally .

Augmented Jho bow have really high raw . So dragon damage is just bonus if u run dp

[webmetalreese]

Originally posted by =GG= rider:

Originally posted by webmetalreese:

Thanks so much! I'll see what I can do. Now it was stated that you can run the Villanous with a DP build, so the dragon element would just be added dmg or would you have to adjust the build again?

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