Sword and shield is seriously underrated

[Reykam]

Insane mobility you can spam the standard max damage combo over and over again while you dodge everything, you reach any weak spot you destroy a lot of parts you can even take down flying monsters and it does seriously a lot of damage, you can pull off easily at least 300/400 damage every rotation without even critting that much, i saw crits on nergigante hitting for like more than 200 with the shield bash slam that start after you jump and you have to add the fact that every rotation hits at least 4 or 5 times. Why do peoples seriously dont understand that this is really strong? SnS is like a meme for what i can see but it has serious potential in my opinion

[Callyste]

No one ever said that SnS isn't strong...

[Reykam]

Originally posted by Callyste:

No one ever said that SnS isn't strong...

Well 90% of peoples i met say its trash tier so i'm preatty sure that it is the general opinion

[Starwight/ttv]

Originally posted by Reykam:

Insane mobility you can spam the standard max damage combo over and over again while you dodge everything, you reach any weak spot you destroy a lot of parts you can even take down flying monsters and it does seriously a lot of damage, you can pull off easily at least 300/400 damage every rotation without even critting that much, i saw crits on nergigante hitting for like more than 200 with the shield bash slam that start after you jump and you have to add the fact that every rotation hits at least 4 or 5 times. Why do peoples seriously dont understand that this is really strong? SnS is like a meme for what i can see but it has serious potential in my opinion

As a former SnS user idk. I always feel i am getting out damaged. I see weapons with 900 attack, meanwhile I'm luky to break a 400 attack value for weapons of equal rarity

[McMurphy]

its cool + 3 evade extender you will not get hit by pickle.
i have over 9000 attack on my hammer but it dont hit so fast ;)

[Callyste]

Originally posted by Reykam:

Originally posted by Callyste:

No one ever said that SnS isn't strong...

Well 90% of peoples i met say its trash tier so i'm preatty sure that it is the general opinion

You might want to meet other people then xD

[Rampant Luck]

I'm waiting for a single free-element gem before I give SnS good try. Honestly the only reason I haven't tried it so far is because I'm too lazy to organize my item wheel.

Edit: you may enjoy this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVqmP25SlGY

[Spectacular_Insanity]

Originally posted by alonesilverwolf:

Originally posted by Reykam:

Insane mobility you can spam the standard max damage combo over and over again while you dodge everything, you reach any weak spot you destroy a lot of parts you can even take down flying monsters and it does seriously a lot of damage, you can pull off easily at least 300/400 damage every rotation without even critting that much, i saw crits on nergigante hitting for like more than 200 with the shield bash slam that start after you jump and you have to add the fact that every rotation hits at least 4 or 5 times. Why do peoples seriously dont understand that this is really strong? SnS is like a meme for what i can see but it has serious potential in my opinion

As a former SnS user idk. I always feel i am getting out damaged. I see weapons with 900 attack, meanwhile I'm luky to break a 400 attack value for weapons of equal rarity

Sure, the damage values are higher on other weapons, but remember your attacking speed with SnS is outmatched only by a DB or LS user. And neither of those two have a shield for "oh sh!t" moments. And the superior mobility and ability to easily chain successive mount-damaging moves makes up for a lot. Plus the fast sheathing time + no need to sheath at all to heal/use items brings a level of utility (think emergency Flashpods in a crisis, such as Teostra's Supernova) that an HBG user can only dream of (HBG has one of the longest sheathing times in the game).

[Starwight/ttv]

Originally posted by MoarAsianThanU:

Originally posted by alonesilverwolf:

As a former SnS user idk. I always feel i am getting out damaged. I see weapons with 900 attack, meanwhile I'm luky to break a 400 attack value for weapons of equal rarity

Sure, the damage values are higher on other weapons, but remember your attacking speed with SnS is outmatched only by a DB or LS user. And neither of those two have a shield for "oh sh!t" moments. And the superior mobility and ability to easily chain successive mount-damaging moves makes up for a lot. Plus the fast sheathing time + no need to sheath at all to heal/use items brings a level of utility (think emergency Flashpods in a crisis, such as Teostra's Supernova) that an HBG user can only dream of (HBG has one of the longest sheathing times in the game).

Maybe if I had a good element gem I'd revisit. It just gets really demoralizing when it appears that everything but bows outdamages you.

I'm moving on to HH but I still need to cut tails now and again, so I'll probably stick to SnS as my secondary

[kirie]

From veteran mh it always like that from every generation, most veteran already know they are strong.

Sns strong not because of the attack but because of the versatility, able to use sling shot
and potion without sheating make it strong, dont focus solely on the attack power.

[gachi is manly]

Personally I only like using SnS for a support/wide range build that buffs up the team and can provide healing to everybody. Otherwise I just go with DB's if I want a quick weapon. If I'm not making full use of the ability to use items without sheathing, then I prefer the extra damage of DB's for certain monsters; especially if you're exploiting elemental weaknesses with them.

[DeFragged]

Had one good SnS user join me for two Teostra SOSes. I say good because:
1) Nonstop buffs, heals, and save-our-asses items.
2) Actually dealt a crapton of damage, mounted AND broke parts.

For those two fights I was basically stress-free as this guy carried the party into victory.

There is nothing to indicate the weapon itself is bad. Blame the meaty organic bit behind the shield for bad play, not the weapon itself.

[Voodoo]

Its seriously not though, you get damages of about db, but db still hits faster.

[Starwight/ttv]

Originally posted by kirie:

From veteran mh it always like that from every generation, most veteran already know they are strong.

Sns strong not because of the attack but because of the versatility, able to use sling shot
and potion without sheating make it strong, dont focus solely on the attack power.

Originally posted by kirie:

From veteran mh it always like that from every generation, most veteran already know they are strong.

Sns strong not because of the attack but because of the versatility, able to use sling shot
and potion without sheating make it strong, dont focus solely on the attack power.

As a new player, I have to ask. Is the ability to use a potion or what have you without sheathing, really that important? It doesn't take THAT long to sheath/unsheath

[W+M1 Pyro]

sad that they added those stupid flashy lights to the attacks, they are aestethics breaking for me.

[Inherited]

it's good if you use an element sword the monster you fight is 3 star weak to. Since you hit so fast and can change direction while attacking. The dash/jump attack combo isn't that good in co-op, monster moves too often or knocks you out the animation because of sh11t timing.

Honestly the shield on Sns only use if you have no other choice, it's blocking is quite trash. The LS parry counter is way better "oh sh11t" button. 1) you take no damage 2) you deal damage 3) you get gauge up. You can even delay attacks to time your parry, and the parry frame is very generous.

I can parry stuff like diablos burying and popping up 9 out of 10 times and regular attacks are even easier timing. You can even counter monster roars.
Not to mention red gauge helm breaker does 110 to 130 x 7 hits. That's insane damage, and building up to it is insane damage too. Each spirit blade hit does like 150-200 a slash.

SNS has nothing on LS. Maybe if you suck at parrying it surpasses LS. Fairly sure DB also surpasses SnS in damage. SNS is nice because you can keep on the assault, you can change direction while attacking and adapt to the monster. You can quickly flash teostra supernova and other stuff, to again keep up the momentum. That is it's strength.