Best build rn?

[Madoys]

What I like to do in every game is to try out the most meta-iest thing there is.
So whats the most cheesiest, meta, strongest build in this game?
Preferably melee because ranged weapons have awkard control settings for keyboard and mouse.

[Gift]

tag545 の投稿を引用：

in their vids they show what the "meta" builds are for each weapon class. this kind of assumes that you know what META is. the most efficient tactic available. the most. not second best. it kind of assumes you can keep up with the fact that depending on the situation one damage dealer can outperform the other within that weapon class, or builds would need to be modified to counter specific monsters. that means for heavy bowgun if cluster was the end all be all damage dealer meta of all time forever, they wouldnt bother with spread and would have listed it with the non meta ammo type vid that came after.

if you want direct comparisons from them you would have to catch them streaming and ask however the following vid is the closest to a direct comparison i can remember.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxb7sNxVfHo

not sure if updated since but (10:30 in vid) glutton held the record for greatest jagras and somehow this doesnt seem to be a surprise... huh wonder why. i do agree that cluster is still the end all be all auto pilot pray to rng that the monster dies before you do weapon, but the uproar for the glutton and it being included in the meta doesnt seem to match the idea of cluster also being the end all be all damage dealer.

hey talk to me when you do end up trying it out in-game. you simply don't have enough knowledge yet. source, you know how ive seen that video you've linked before? i was looking for the most optimal spread 3 build. i tried it out and my optimal cluster build out dps'd by quite a lot as shown through smarthunter.

[IrisMachina]

Green-Jive の投稿を引用：

Jeazuz people Monster Hunter is *NOT* made for Metagaming
- Just make your *own* builds/loads yourself instead of playing everything everyone else is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ using -_-
....Unless you're just doin for fun/♥♥♥♥♥/giggles as apposed to main-loads
- in which case, have at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I269h7P6B9I

[tag545]

i am talking to you after "trying it out" i have both builds and use them regularly. i dont claim to be a speed runner so ive kept my personal experience out of the discussion but it matches what ive said, and what the videos ive been linking also implied (and outright stated with glutton being a record holder). cluster is good for consistency and holds top spot for many monsters, however for the greatest jagras and other monsters which have high hitzone values, the glutton dominates. if cluster works best for you fine but nothing ive seen or experienced agrees with the idea that it is the highest dps hbg for every monster. for many, sure, not all.

at this point its time to just agree to disagree

[Waffles]

Gift の投稿を引用：

tag545 の投稿を引用：

in their vids they show what the "meta" builds are for each weapon class. this kind of assumes that you know what META is. the most efficient tactic available. the most. not second best. it kind of assumes you can keep up with the fact that depending on the situation one damage dealer can outperform the other within that weapon class, or builds would need to be modified to counter specific monsters. that means for heavy bowgun if cluster was the end all be all damage dealer meta of all time forever, they wouldnt bother with spread and would have listed it with the non meta ammo type vid that came after.

if you want direct comparisons from them you would have to catch them streaming and ask however the following vid is the closest to a direct comparison i can remember.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxb7sNxVfHo

not sure if updated since but (10:30 in vid) glutton held the record for greatest jagras and somehow this doesnt seem to be a surprise... huh wonder why. i do agree that cluster is still the end all be all auto pilot pray to rng that the monster dies before you do weapon, but the uproar for the glutton and it being included in the meta doesnt seem to match the idea of cluster also being the end all be all damage dealer.

hey talk to me when you do end up trying it out in-game. you simply don't have enough knowledge yet. source, you know how ive seen that video you've linked before? i was looking for the most optimal spread 3 build. i tried it out and my optimal cluster build out dps'd by quite a lot as shown through smarthunter.

Weren't you the one spamming the forum about one shot mods?

You have a lot to learn yourself.
Cluster, while indeed stupid strong, is not the greatest in all situations.
It is horrible for ATKT for example.
Mobile monsters such as Kirin make clusters lose a bit of value.
Spread ammo can, and does beat clusters in certain scenarios.

Even IF clusters were the best for all scenarios, that's only important for solo players.
Clusters are an abomination for multiplayer, which most of us do.
Spread ammo is VASTLY superior here.

[Warkrunner]

You should try ledge hopping with a greatsword or hammer.
Or, spin-to-win off a slope with a hammer vs Kirin.
Can easily down the AT Kirin solo in 5 minutes that way using minimal skill.
SnS dunking can destroy Nergigante just as consistently as LS fade slash + helmbreaker spam.

There's many things just as effective as Glutton in different situations.
Are they meta? Not always, but are they fun and usable in multiplayer? That's what counts.

[ChaosFred]

The general meta-ist damage dealer build is always between glutton HBG (rarity 7) using spread ammo 3 OR any HBG with cluster bomb 3 which there are some and their accompaniment makes them better than other depending on situation (eg: slots, base attack stat, the specials between wyvernheart or snipe, etc). The armor set also depends on what HBG you used. But the glutton is more sure shot (others post already explained)

Which to pick also depends on target like others said. Immobile / large targets like Kulve, Behemoth or Xenojiva will prefer clusters. Going solo or against smaller ones will prefer HBG spread shotgun build with at least 1 shield mod.

Also depending on the target, some other weapons (melee) may excel more. Example, pierce HBG and that certain auto-spark LBG have better performance againts Xenojiva if you can get into front position.
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Now there is a catch to this, while cluster bomb is preferred for most since they are big targets. You have to mind if you running a party or SOS then there are other players. Cluster bomb hinders a lot if not aimed / timed well since the explosion will throw off team mates. Your team total DPS may compromised in such case then unless your whole team are ranged.

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Then there is how would you like to play the game. If you are someone who often played Souls genre game using the parry build, Long blade could deal a lot of damage for you with its foresight blade. If you able to maintain even level 2 or best maxed level 3 spirit level for at least 2/3 of the battle while maintaining the restless onslaught, you are good to go for this. Aim well and your blade won't hit your team mate. The meta build usually using elementless divine slasher or tarroth sword fire (not kjarr fire). For enemies weak to dragon element, Reaver calamity is one to go. To add is the new iai slash move later added in iceborne said to deal a very high damage.

Then there is what I call "Patience wins the game". If one often get hit, there is no use of a dead hunters. Try Sword and Shield or Lance instead. Lance has this meta build no-whetstone using tarroth crest claw and nergi + teo set > FF collab set, priming on its high affinity (100%?).

Also people often forgot the counter move and guard point of charge blade. If someone could master this, you will see discharged impacts often every few seconds.

Then there also the gae bolg Insect glaive which particulary effective on certain monsters.
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But really, who cares about meta build now? Just play the game the way you like and get fun. If things goes sooted already, there are mods there that can even make a stone slinger hit deals instant death or putting down a cleanser booster calls Kirin thunder strike which deals huge damage instead.

[Gift]

Shiny Steak の投稿を引用：

Gift の投稿を引用：

hey talk to me when you do end up trying it out in-game. you simply don't have enough knowledge yet. source, you know how ive seen that video you've linked before? i was looking for the most optimal spread 3 build. i tried it out and my optimal cluster build out dps'd by quite a lot as shown through smarthunter.

Weren't you the one spamming the forum about one shot mods?

You have a lot to learn yourself.
Cluster, while indeed stupid strong, is not the greatest in all situations.
It is horrible for ATKT for example.
Mobile monsters such as Kirin make clusters lose a bit of value.
Spread ammo can, and does beat clusters in certain scenarios.

Even IF clusters were the best for all scenarios, that's only important for solo players.
Clusters are an abomination for multiplayer, which most of us do.
Spread ammo is VASTLY superior here.

Well this forum is full of pro cheaters after all. there's been threads after me complaining about cheats and all of them have been bashed as well.. it's a sad state were in but it is what it is.

Obviously, you won't use cluster on Kulve Taroth when Elemental LBG's make it so much easier. Just as you won't cluster against AT Xeno because HBG pierce is just that much better.

Cluster on Kirin is actually really good because Kirin gets staggered a lot.

So far it seems only in the greatest jagras does spread 3 outdamage clusters. That said I haven't seen much cluster speedruns in comparison to spread 3 speedruns on the greatest jagras. So I won't be surprised if someone with a cluster setup makes a faster speedrun.

I play multi to have fun with friends that's about it. Majority of pubs suck so multi isn't fun with randoms, 9/10 it's just better to solo if you are versing a hard monster.

[Esi]

Green-Jive の投稿を引用：

Jeazuz people Monster Hunter is *NOT* made for Metagaming
- Just make your *own* builds/loads yourself instead of playing everything everyone else is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ using -_-
....Unless you're just doin for fun/♥♥♥♥♥/giggles as apposed to main-loads
- in which case, have at.

k, can you tell me how else i should play this game

[Remi]

Gift の投稿を引用：

Spread 3 also has a slow reload speed but deals far less damage than clusters.

There is a reason why Cluster 3 is heavily used by speedrunners more than the other weapons. It tops the damage charts for something so easy to pull off. I'm pretty sure the fastest solo ex behemoth run is also done by a cluster build.

Glutton has a fast reload and every shot deals 140 damage on average with 10 shots in the clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fuIYTFT2yk

Clusters got powercrept, if you think that hitzone independent damage with no skill requirement can outdamage hitzone dependent damage with a skill ceiling you are wrong.

[Remi]

ChaosFred の投稿を引用：

Xenojiva will prefer clusters.

Then there also the gae bolg Insect glaive which particulary effective on certain monsters.

Both wrong, Spread annihilates Xeno and Gea blog is hot trash, a fashion accessory not a weapon.

[Lack of Stuff]

The fastest Extreme Behemoth HBG TA run in the database is a Glutton spread run.

http://mhw.wiki-db.com/solota/record/2807

[Erudax]

Lack of Stuff の投稿を引用：

The fastest Extreme Behemoth HBG TA run in the database is a Glutton spread run.

http://mhw.wiki-db.com/solota/record/2807

Dude, clusters on Exbehe TA is literally impossible. You simply don't have enough ammo and you cannot restock, so it's out of the window. What I'm saying is that it's not a good example.

[Madoys]

Thanks to everyone for adding their 2 cents, I went thru this flood of text.
And apparently cluster spam is the key.
Well, guess its time to setup my ranged settings.

[Lack of Stuff]

Eru の投稿を引用：

Lack of Stuff の投稿を引用：

The fastest Extreme Behemoth HBG TA run in the database is a Glutton spread run.

http://mhw.wiki-db.com/solota/record/2807

Dude, clusters on Exbehe TA is literally impossible. You simply don't have enough ammo and you cannot restock, so it's out of the window. What I'm saying is that it's not a good example.

I disagree as we are comparing dps and TA glutton manages to stay competitive with non-TA cluster. But fine if you want to walk it back further lets look at regular behemoth (again dps is all that matters for this discussion) The fastest non-TA cluster solo speedrun I could find was only approx 10 seconds shorter than the current fastest TA spread run. So even with using environmental dmg etc cluster only had a 10 second advantage.

[Raspberrian]

of course cluster is best if the best you can do is play mindlessly