So...AT Nergigante has 65k HP in multiplayer, right?

[Smooch]

The reason I'm asking this is because I just slayed one AT Nergigante in multiplayer and it went fast...suspiciously fast. I'm really not sure what happened, due to the circumstances.To give it the proper context, this is how it went:

- I started solo with S&S and fired an S.O.S;
- While solo, I dropped both stalagtites on top of it and rode it once;
- Right as the first person got in the quest around the 6th minute mark (another S&S user), and the difficulty settings kicked in, Nergi moved to the next area;
- Me and the other person fought it for about a minute before Kushala showed up and they started the turf war;
- Around the 7th and 8th minute mark, another two people joined (yet another S&S and a bow user);
- After a little while, Nergi went down to the adjacent lava area, where I rode it once more;
- Nergi died around the 12th minute mark.

So, to sum it up: I'm confused because I legit can't believe we dealt enough damage in such a small time frame, especially considering all S&S users (myself included) had Wide-Range, which indicates mostly some sort of support build, right? The only person I could think who probably had an offensive set was the bow user. Even though I rode it twice, only in the second occasion did I have other people with me to take advantage of it being vulnerable. During this hunt, no sleep bombing was used too, the only thing that happened was it getting paralyzed once. Nergi took both stalagtites while in singlayer, and took damage from Kushala while in multiplayer. After all that, it probably needed to take around 50k damage minimum in order to die.
Is there a chance that the game somehow messed up Nergi's HP while switching from singleplayer to multiplayer? Is there something I'm not aware of? Am I that doubtful of my ability (and of randoms' ability in general) to deal that much damage so quickly? Could we really have had that much DPS? What is life?

Any insights would be appreciated :)

[Smooch]

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

A 12 minute 4 man is easily possible. Good teams have done it far quicker than that. But. with randoms? Not very likely at all. Actually, I think it's more likely a hacker joined your team around the 7-8 minute mark than 4 randos dropping AT Nerg in 12 minutes.

Yes, I can totally see it being possible, doing it quicker than that, but it's just like you said... with randoms it's way tougher (heck, even completing the quest is hell). And...are hackers actually a thing in this game? I personally never heard of it.

[Smooch]

Just looked up... and that has to be the answer. I truly was not aware of that, and knowing that cheating is a thing in this game (and that people actually bring it to multiplayer hunts) is actually quite sad. I'll consider running these mods too, just in case. Thanks for your answer!

[Fat Pigeon]

Originally posted by Celebi:

Just looked up... and that has to be the answer. I truly was not aware of that, and knowing that cheating is a thing in this game (and that people actually bring it to multiplayer hunts) is actually quite sad. Thanks for your answer!

i also encountered once a Dragonpierce only spammer who toggled a 8x damage and called it "legit" and meta

There can always be people who using something like that.

I mean if iam bored i also join sos or people who need help against AT's , AL or ExMoth
But as crimsonedge11 said, it is extremly unlikely that 3 randoms who join in, that have the skill and setups to pull 5-12minutes off against at spiky boy

I also have a dps parser installed (but i dont use the hp displayed cause i dont like it) , to watch the group damage, if something fishy goes on, then you can leave or kick the one who is the problem

[JPM岩]

Originally posted by Celebi:

Just looked up... and that has to be the answer. I truly was not aware of that, and knowing that cheating is a thing in this game (and that people actually bring it to multiplayer hunts) is actually quite sad. I'll consider running these mods too, just in case. Thanks for your answer!

No, it doesnt have to be the answer; hackers honestly are few and far between in World's online, there are quite a few players who are skilled enough that with randoms, can still take down AT Nerg in less than 12 minutes; hell, I know in Iceborne, a duo can easily take down a tempered jang in 7 minutes; skill is a thing that a lot of player possess

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

I couldn't care less how they got their equipment, as long as what they're bringing to the match is legit gear, and no hacks of any sort during the match.

Gotta keep an eye on bowgunners to see if they ever have to reload, as well.

I saw someone using Taroth "Horn" the other day, and over 10 shots off from a small mag, with no reload. Maybe it was a fluke, and RNGsus really blessed them with spare shot? That happening once, sure. But as soon as the monster was down, 10+ more shots were fired with no reload. Then it was insta-kick.

90% of the hackers I've seen had Korean or Chinese characters in their name.

I've had using the jho HBG a few times where I didnt have to reload for a solid like 120 seconds at least, because Spare Shot is magical; it's the meta gunner skill for a reason

[Mhblis]

Yeah 12 minutes with 3sns and a bow seems fairly legit.

You have to remember the second and third player isnt accounted for in the multiplayer scalling so monsters hactually have way less health per person. Its just the breakables that are tougher.

Combine that with the fact that you got the 3 biggest damage boost, boulder drop and turf war. Then add in at minimum 5 massive damage windows during the knock downs.

[Rick25]

One time i got a really nice group of people and we got him at around 7 min.
There were 3 sns and 1 Switch Axe.

I remember the SA guy had the Kjarr Paralysis and I bring my Kjarr SnS too. So its possible to get him on lower times as long as you have people that knows what they are doing.

[Yuvs]

Were you guys constantly breaking his spikes? If so, then I would believe it.

[cruste]

Originally posted by JPM岩:

No, it doesnt have to be the answer; hackers honestly are few and far between in World's online, there are quite a few players who are skilled enough that with randoms, can still take down AT Nerg in less than 12 minutes; hell, I know in Iceborne, a duo can easily take down a tempered jang in 7 minutes; skill is a thing that a lot of player possess

I've had using the jho HBG a few times where I didnt have to reload for a solid like 120 seconds at least, because Spare Shot is magical; it's the meta gunner skill for a reason

Dude iceborne has the infamous duo scaling, which reduce the fame for killing monsters in duo mode, but i agree there are people aka gods of monster hunter out there, who can easily carry a whole squad.

it is always a pleasure to watch them fighting while they dodgeroll perfectly every attack or roar and keep nonstop attacking the monster. it is awesome, when you see someone holding behemoth emnity while using ground glaive or switchaxe

These magic moments, when you get 7 cluster shots out of a 2 clip magazin.

[cruste]

What is your average solo time for at nerg?

you fought him already for 6 mins solo with 3 knockouts, which means he had eaten already a lot of dmg

[ciel]

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

Originally posted by Celebi:

And...are hackers actually a thing in this game? I personally never heard of it.

Look up how many trainers and cheat tables are made for this game. There are toggleable cheats, where you can just hit a button and oneshot the monster. I think someone who joined you got tired of the hunt, and tripped the kill switch.... They also got hacks that let people increase their damage by x2/x4/x8, etc.

That's one of the reasons I run the monster HP mod, along with the DPS meter, so I can see if anyone's hacking for damage.

Like the other day, I saw someone do 8k damage in less than a minute of attacking against AT Vaal with a switch axe, and they weren't even running a meta build. Kicked that player instantly. 8k per minute with switch axe isn't even possible in any scenario.

Ran into another player who kept planting bombs on Ancient Leshen, and his bombs did exactly 2400 damage.

lol what are you a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ cop?

[Popcorn]

Originally posted by cruste:

Originally posted by JPM岩:

No, it doesnt have to be the answer; hackers honestly are few and far between in World's online, there are quite a few players who are skilled enough that with randoms, can still take down AT Nerg in less than 12 minutes; hell, I know in Iceborne, a duo can easily take down a tempered jang in 7 minutes; skill is a thing that a lot of player possess

I've had using the jho HBG a few times where I didnt have to reload for a solid like 120 seconds at least, because Spare Shot is magical; it's the meta gunner skill for a reason

Dude iceborne has the infamous duo scaling, which reduce the fame for killing monsters in duo mode, but i agree there are people aka gods of monster hunter out there, who can easily carry a whole squad.

it is always a pleasure to watch them fighting while they dodgeroll perfectly every attack or roar and keep nonstop attacking the monster. it is awesome, when you see someone holding behemoth emnity while using ground glaive or switchaxe

These magic moments, when you get 7 cluster shots out of a 2 clip magazin.

Ah, yes he probly forgot that too, the duo scaling

[Smooch]

Originally posted by cruste:

What is your average solo time for at nerg?

you fought him already for 6 mins solo with 3 knockouts, which means he had eaten already a lot of dmg

While in singleplayer, Nergi still has 26k health. I probably did around 4k in that first area, at the most. I don't have an average killtime, that was my first time killing it. I had tried with randoms before, and failed; even full solo with my main weapon, Gunlance, I couldn't handle blocking and dealing damage at a consistent pace. So, I truly don't believe that I dealt that much damage. Even with the turf war and everything, Nergi had taken, being very optimistic around 15k damage, which leaves another 50k damage to be dealt.

Originally posted by DeathRow:

Were you guys constantly breaking his spikes? If so, then I would believe it.

That's another thing. It got grounded only twice due to spikes breaking, if I'm not mistaken. It can't be enough for us to deal tons of damage, I think.

Originally posted by Mhblis:

Yeah 12 minutes with 3sns and a bow seems fairly legit.

You have to remember the second and third player isnt accounted for in the multiplayer scalling so monsters hactually have way less health per person. Its just the breakables that are tougher.

Could you please clarify what you mean by that second and third player scaling? I really thought that monsters had either singleplayer or multiplayer HP, no questions asked. But, that would make some sense, especially because I started the quest while in singleplayer and then got help 6 minutes later.

Maybe the game adjusted the damage Nergi took to multiplayer as well, then? I truly don't know. Seems like hackers are really a minor possibility, but still...I feel like it happened in this case. It might be a coincidence, but the last person that entered the quest acted all funny using stickers right as they entered, and was the first to do it again once Nergi was killed.

[Shark]

I think the real mystery is that random didnt triple cart in those 6 minutes.

[I hate summer]

Originally posted by Ban:

I think the real mystery is that random didnt triple cart in those 6 minutes.

My luck with AT Nerg randoms is pretty good. Recently done twice with randoms and we had no issues, surprisingly.

[Flori281]

Originally posted by Ban:

I think the real mystery is that random didnt triple cart in those 6 minutes.

Fair point. I haven't had the best luck with faints but I've also fainted myself. I hate bringing the team down so I usually hunt AT Nerg solo. But if you do have a good team that keeps smashing his spikes then it is totally possible to kill him quickly.