Can I divert power from BOTH the Deserters and Edgewater?

[mrmike_49]

Really don't like any of them!

[Dreadstone]

Also the writers do understand how starvation works. You'll know it if you read the transcripts aboard the Hope. No one in the game was actually starving yet.

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Actually there's a scene where the discussion revolves around reduced calories. (Hinted at in Monarch as well with the supervisor of the guy who gets eaten by cannibals)

Slow starvation is still starvation. Never mind the idiocy of nobody understanding how a balanced diet works.

Rule of 3 aside, I've been on low carb / high calorie and protein diets (Keto). If you cut calories too - you will have issues - quickly. ESPECIALLY if you are training as I was, or, in the case of TOW, significant amounts of manual labor.

That brings up a question. How did they get to this point? Clearly people had been living in Halcyon for years, and NOW they're running out of food? (I must've missed that in the oh-so-important task of chauffering what's-her-name around so she can have a wonderful first date)

However, assuming you're correct, if the corporations know that they are running short on food, AND that earth is "not there" for them (Never you mind the lunacy and impracticality of shipping in food, even seeds), then their actions make even more sense.

Still re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic though.

[Tohtori Leka]

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All of the above leads the "corporation" to desperate times and measures. (Diet toothpaste? Really? Genetic manipulation. Hibernation (punting the problem))

I don't see any "desperation" in the world, only complete corporate ruthlesness and amorality, backed up with total lack of emapthy. Their abuse and crimes have no grave cause to solve. Corporations seem people as renewable resources and treating them as such.

Problem on Endgewater was created by profit-based decision to reduce quality of production. When people start to get sick, mayour decided to push corporate policies further and denied medicine without any attempt to resolve situation. He is responsible of mass murder at least.

While I dislike heavy-handed approach of the game, every piece of in-universe evidence is clearly stating that trusting in corporate good will is insanity.

You're judging their actions from our cultural point of view. As you can see, no one in the town actually finds those things upsetting. It's completely normal to them because it's just the way of the world. The only thing they complain about is that they have to work so much. And even those were mostly just small complaints much like we do in our culture even though we work much less. The mayor wasn't greedy and there was nothing malicious about him but the garden lady was willing to put everyone's lives at risk because of her personal feelings.

[Dreadstone]

The mayor wasn't greedy and there was nothing malicious about him but the garden lady was willing to put everyone's lives at risk because of her personal feelings.

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The mayor offers to step down AND leave, knowing the latter is a death sentence for him.

[Tohtori Leka]

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Also the writers do understand how starvation works. You'll know it if you read the transcripts aboard the Hope. No one in the game was actually starving yet.

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Actually there's a scene where the discussion revolves around reduced calories. (Hinted at in Monarch as well with the supervisor of the guy who gets eaten by cannibals)

Slow starvation is still starvation. Never mind the idiocy of nobody understanding how a balanced diet works.

Rule of 3 aside, I've been on low carb / high calorie and protein diets (Keto). If you cut calories too - you will have issues - quickly. ESPECIALLY if you are training as I was, or, in the case of TOW, significant amounts of manual labor.

That brings up a question. How did they get to this point? Clearly people had been living in Halcyon for years, and NOW they're running out of food? (I must've missed that in the oh-so-important task of chauffering what's-her-name around so she can have a wonderful first date)

However, assuming you're correct, if the corporations know that they are running short on food, AND that earth is "not there" for them (Never you mind the lunacy and impracticality of shipping in food, even seeds), then their actions make even more sense.

Still re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic though.

The food problem came from some problem in the terraforming which caused the local plants to become harder to digest for the people. And I don't think the corporations actually knew about it. The Board knew but no one else.

[Dreadstone]

The Board knew but no one else.

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And here is where we make a distinction between "The Board" and "The Corporations"

[letir]

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The mayor wasn't greedy and there was nothing malicious about him but the garden lady was willing to put everyone's lives at risk because of her personal feelings.

Excuse me?

Mayour ALREDY KILLED PEOPLE through his actions. His corporation alredy orchestrated mass murder.

I don't care how brainwashed corporate drones feel about situation. Facts are facts. If left to their own devices, corporation perfectly willing to lead entire settlements into the grave for the sake of profits.

[Dreadstone]

corporation perfectly willing to lead entire settlements into the grave for the sake of profits.

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That makes no sense. No people = no Tuna = no sales = no profits.

[letir]

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That makes no sense. No people = no Tuna = no sales = no profits.

You using human logic, not 110% capitalist logic.

0,0001% of profits here and now to show shareholders better than any potential profit tomorrow.

Oh, and can't forget about absolute control. Now matter how stupid and brutal rules are, they should be followed, no free thinking or initiative allowed.

[Dreadstone]

I had a great reply, and Steam ate it.

Suffice to say Capitalism combined with a humanist (non-totalitarian) government have successfully created massive amounts of wealth for a lot of people, while increasing the standard of living.

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Suffice to say Capitalism combined with a humanist (non-totalitarian) government have successfully created massive amounts of wealth for a lot of people, while increasing the standard of living.

5% of the people hold 80-90% of the wealth in the world (rough estimation).

Make no mistakes - capitalism have nothing in common with humanism, freedom, democracy or standart of living. The point of capitalism is profit of individual, at any cost, without any restrictions or regulations.

[Dreadstone]

capitalism have nothing in common with humanism, freedom, democracy or standart of living. The point of capitalism is profit of individual, at any cost, without any restrictions or regulations.

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Erm no. Pure capitalism has some core tenets. You won't find capitalism in 1930's USSR, or 2020 Indonesia.

Companies (corporations) operate within the laws of their country. GE (to reuse an example) pays (or paid) less taxes than me, not because they're a corporation, but because they have an Army of lawyers and lobbyists.

The fact that corporations (Google) are allowed to act illegally by incompetent people does not excuse their behavior. Apple used child labor in China, not because they're "Evil" but because of laws passed in the USA, by moronic people. (Politicians)

I would argue the USA (where I live) does not have pure capitalism by any stretch. Not the least of which is an uneven world playing field, some of which we control, but by laws enacted by other countries, putting our manufacturers behind the 8-ball.

Companies must be allowed to rise and fall and FAIL on their own merit. But, if their downfall is precluded or accelerated by laws of other countries (Japan and Canada come to mind), then the government steps in. (See NAFTA)

Russia was able to pull themselves out of a horrid economy, not simply by breaking apart, but by allowing crony capitalism and the freedom (of sorts) to create for-profit companies. Russia has the GDP of Texas (iinm), but they're trying, I give them that.

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This is why the writing on TOW is so sub-par. Corporations are made up of people. It is disengenuous to simply say,, "Corporations bad / freedom good", and shows remarkable economic illiteracy.

[letir]

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Erm no. Pure capitalism has some core tenets.

Pure capitalism it's coal barons and union breakers. Because unions and regulations are bad for business, you see. Worker rights was taken through a fight. not granted by "capitalism".

Want to see true face of corporations? Google at Ost-Indian corporation of UK, or United Fruit Company corporation of USA. This is how "ultimate capitalism" look in reality.

P.S. Fun fact - USSR pulled Russia from feudal society into space-faring industrial country. Through socialism. And had some progress in society earlier than capitalist countries.

[lukandroll]

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capitalism have nothing in common with humanism, freedom, democracy or standart of living. The point of capitalism is profit of individual, at any cost, without any restrictions or regulations.

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Erm no. Pure capitalism has some core tenets. You won't find capitalism in 1930's USSR, or 2020 Indonesia.

Companies (corporations) operate within the laws of their country. GE (to reuse an example) pays (or paid) less taxes than me, not because they're a corporation, but because they have an Army of lawyers and lobbyists.

The fact that corporations (Google) are allowed to act illegally by incompetent people does not excuse their behavior. Apple used child labor in China, not because they're "Evil" but because of laws passed in the USA, by moronic people. (Politicians)

I would argue the USA (where I live) does not have pure capitalism by any stretch. Not the least of which is an uneven world playing field, some of which we control, but by laws enacted by other countries, putting our manufacturers behind the 8-ball.

Companies must be allowed to rise and fall and FAIL on their own merit. But, if their downfall is precluded or accelerated by laws of other countries (Japan and Canada come to mind), then the government steps in. (See NAFTA)

Russia was able to pull themselves out of a horrid economy, not simply by breaking apart, but by allowing crony capitalism and the freedom (of sorts) to create for-profit companies. Russia has the GDP of Texas (iinm), but they're trying, I give them that.

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This is why the writing on TOW is so sub-par. Corporations are made up of people. It is disengenuous to simply say,, "Corporations bad / freedom good", and shows remarkable economic illiteracy.

You are mixing real life coorporations with TOW coorporations
In TOW the evil side of coorporations is greatly exagerated, its a farse

But If you want a example of how evil real cooporation can be in a capitalist society, look no further than the use of glyphosate on the soils

[Dreadstone]

P.S. Fun fact - USSR pulled Russia from feudal society into space-faring industrial country. Through socialism. And had some progress in society earlier than capitalist countries.

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This is not the time or place for me to educate you on the ills of the old USSR. Suffice to say, you have obviously not read Solzeinhytsen, (sp), are unaware of the Holodomor, the secret police state, or the hundreds of other ills that plagued the USSR.

Socialism did no good to old Russia, and as an economic system isn't even taught in reputable universities. Marx is so discredited at this point, he's a footnote in history.

I could go on and on, but to suggest "socialism" (and by the by, they were communists - NOT socialists), somehow miraculously turned them from 1918 to 2020 is beyond laughable.

(As an aside, I've lived in Russia, pre- Gorbachev).

[mrmike_49]

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corporation perfectly willing to lead entire settlements into the grave for the sake of profits.

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That makes no sense. No people = no Tuna = no sales = no profits.

But, for the Board, the key question is " how much $ does it cost to recover/move the settlers?"