Love the game...Its unfortunate its become a target for "Anti SJWs"

[BarkFish]

Loved the game... It was WAY too short... But it was an amazing game. Looking forward to this starting a new IP.
Its unfortunate that it has become the target of "Anti-sjws"...Because it offends them or something or they are afraid of short hair and dye.... I am not sure.
But I would highly recommend the game literally to anyone that likes these types of FO NV types or Skyrim types (Open world RPG)
I REALLY want some DLC.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Erm no... It's getting crap because its so painfully "woke" its unbearable. Even if we assume they made all the girls look like boys because they couldnt be bothered animating hair that still doesn't explain why all the female characters are strong, independent, genderfluid lesbians and also happen to be the good guys in every situation while every guy is evil and/or misguided and corrupt. There's literally an evil scientist experimenting on humans and when you meet her she turns out to be a good guy but theres a revolutionary leader who it turns out is evil and ends up replaced by, you guessed it, a strong female.

But even if we disregard that aspect its writing still heavily implies that capitalism=bad communism=good. People have the right to dislike that, most reasonable people just want to escape when playing video games. They don't want a heavily biased political commentary.

[Lor]

An insult comparing this to New Vegas. This game has such black and white, good or evil morality. Youre either a stunning and brave commie or an evil corporate pawn motivated by nothing else other than being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

Nothing like New Vegas.

[deserthamster]

this game tries to pass itself off as a spiritual successor of fallout, but it fails miserably in that regard. it does not have any depth and it feels like it was given to the B team to write. obsidian lost much of its talent, just like bioware

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally posted by deserthamster:

this game tries to pass itself off as a spiritual successor of fallout, but it fails miserably in that regard. it does not have any depth and it feels like it was given to the B team to write. obsidian lost much of its talent, just like bioware

Honestly to me it feels more like mass effect except worse in almost every way. The choices are meaningless. The characters are uninteresting and the companions are so two dimensional. You don't even feel like youre connecting with them. You can't romance or even become friends or enemies with them through choices and dialogue. It's just ♥♥♥♥ companion fetch quests or worse pavarti's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ matchmaker quest that reads like bad tumblr fanfic. There's no way for them to die unless you play on supernova and absiolutely suck at fps games. They never betray you or do anything other than follow you around making inane comments.

The AI is the worst thing I've seen in years. Literally as soon as you draw aggro every enemy in the location instantly know where you are and they just run at you or stand still and shoot. They don't flank or take cover and if you run slightly out of their area they'll just turn their backs to you and casually walk away.

The quests are boring af and most of them are connected to the main quest so you never feel like you're some adventurer out in space. You just feel like you have a mission to do and that's your characters only goal.

This game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ terrible in almost every way and everyone is falling over themselves talking about how amazing it is.

The one good thing is you can kill literally everyone except then the game just does a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mental gymnastics to justify your actions. For example pavarti will freak out if you kill reed tobson in front of her but massacre the entire town and she doesn't give a crap.

Shallow ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ but it's liberal af so gaming journalism loves it and everyone else is so desperate for a good bethesda game they're blind to all the terrible and lacklustre mechanics.

[rojimboo]

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove:

Erm no... It's getting crap because its so painfully "woke" its unbearable.

That seems a lot like anti-SJW (whatever connotation you want to ascribe to SJWs)

[Lor]

Originally posted by rojimboo:

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove:

Erm no... It's getting crap because its so painfully "woke" its unbearable.

That seems a lot like anti-SJW (whatever connotation you want to ascribe to SJWs)

Just because it's anti-SJW doesn't mean it's not legitimate criticism. It does have those undertones and a fairly clear agenda (Every faction is either ruled by a strong independent woman, or an incompetent man who has a clearly competent female SIC). It doesn't really bother me, but I can see it being very off putting for a lot of people.

IMO, theres a LOT more wrong with this game than just space lesbians and political undertones.

[rojimboo]

Originally posted by Naylor:

Originally posted by rojimboo:

That seems a lot like anti-SJW (whatever connotation you want to ascribe to SJWs)

Just because it's anti-SJW doesn't mean it's not legitimate criticism. It does have those undertones and a fairly clear agenda (Every faction is either ruled by a strong independent woman, or an incompetent man who has a clearly competent female SIC). It doesn't really bother me, but I can see it being very off putting for a lot of people.

IMO, theres a LOT more wrong with this game than just space lesbians and political undertones.

It's a fantasy world, that shows anti-corporationism and female prowess. If anything it is equitable as so many things are male dominated even today.

It's refreshing to be honest.

None of this detracts from OP, who calls out anti-SJWs as the main group being hugely critical of the game, because apparently women shouldn't be in positions of power, and if they somehow managed to sleep their way to such a position, they should be grossly incompetent.

[Lor]

Originally posted by rojimboo:

Originally posted by Naylor:

Just because it's anti-SJW doesn't mean it's not legitimate criticism. It does have those undertones and a fairly clear agenda (Every faction is either ruled by a strong independent woman, or an incompetent man who has a clearly competent female SIC). It doesn't really bother me, but I can see it being very off putting for a lot of people.

IMO, theres a LOT more wrong with this game than just space lesbians and political undertones.

It's a fantasy world, that shows anti-corporationism and female prowess. If anything it is equitable as so many things are male dominated even today.

It's refreshing to be honest.

None of this detracts from OP, who calls out anti-SJWs as the main group being hugely critical of the game, because apparently women shouldn't be in positions of power, and if they somehow managed to sleep their way to such a position, they should be grossly incompetent.

Eh, the thing is the reason so many things are male dominated today isn't down to oppression or a concerted effort to keep women out. It's down to personal choices and the overall difference in temperament between men and women. Women dominate more social, caring or medical professions, no one seems to care about these.

Anyway, before this descends into a gender issue debate we should probably just agree to disagree, I probably wont change your opinion and you probably won't change mine so it's pointless.

And honestly, I don't see how this would be 'empowering' to women? It suggests that women can only hold onto the reins like they do in this game, if all the men are grossly incompetent and weak. To me it seems like the devs just tried to shoehorn their politics into the game, and it appears messy. It's not that people don't like the idea of women being in power, but the devs have so clearly tried to make a statement here. If they wanted to show truely strong women surely they'd be presented as equals to the male leaders, not like their babysitters.

[rojimboo]

Originally posted by Naylor:

Originally posted by rojimboo:

It's a fantasy world, that shows anti-corporationism and female prowess. If anything it is equitable as so many things are male dominated even today.

It's refreshing to be honest.

None of this detracts from OP, who calls out anti-SJWs as the main group being hugely critical of the game, because apparently women shouldn't be in positions of power, and if they somehow managed to sleep their way to such a position, they should be grossly incompetent.

Eh, the thing is the reason so many things are male dominated today isn't down to oppression or a concerted effort to keep women out. It's down to personal choices and the overall difference in temperament between men and women. Women dominate more social, caring or medical professions, no one seems to care about these.

Anyway, before this descends into a gender issue debate we should probably just agree to disagree, I probably wont change your opinion and you probably won't change mine so it's pointless.

And honestly, I don't see how this would be 'empowering' to women? It suggests that women can only hold onto the reins like they do in this game, if all the men are grossly incompetent and weak. To me it seems like the devs just tried to shoehorn their politics into the game, and it appears messy. It's not that people don't like the idea of women being in power, but the devs have so clearly tried to make a statement here. If they wanted to show truely strong women surely they'd be presented as equals to the male leaders, not like their babysitters.

To be honest, unless you are actually spending time looking for these things, you probably wouldn't have noticed nor cared about it.

That's the position with the most empathy. It shouldn't matter that a singular video game happens to have more strong women. It shouldn't matter if their genitals are on the inside rather than the outside.

It makes no difference at the end of the day.

I've dealt with the myth that women are to blame for their visible and statistical lack of prominence in many positions. It's just a fact, that science has disproved many times.

What you do about it, is another matter.

[Lor]

Originally posted by rojimboo:

Originally posted by Naylor:

Eh, the thing is the reason so many things are male dominated today isn't down to oppression or a concerted effort to keep women out. It's down to personal choices and the overall difference in temperament between men and women. Women dominate more social, caring or medical professions, no one seems to care about these.

Anyway, before this descends into a gender issue debate we should probably just agree to disagree, I probably wont change your opinion and you probably won't change mine so it's pointless.

And honestly, I don't see how this would be 'empowering' to women? It suggests that women can only hold onto the reins like they do in this game, if all the men are grossly incompetent and weak. To me it seems like the devs just tried to shoehorn their politics into the game, and it appears messy. It's not that people don't like the idea of women being in power, but the devs have so clearly tried to make a statement here. If they wanted to show truely strong women surely they'd be presented as equals to the male leaders, not like their babysitters.

To be honest, unless you are actually spending time looking for these things, you probably wouldn't have noticed nor cared about it.

That's the position with the most empathy. It shouldn't matter that a singular video game happens to have more strong women. It shouldn't matter if their genitals are on the inside rather than the outside.

It makes no difference at the end of the day.

I've dealt with the myth that women are to blame for their visible and statistical lack of prominence in many positions. It's just a fact, that science has disproved many times.

What you do about it, is another matter.

Eh, I definitely noticed it. It just isn't a dealbreaker for me, just a mild annoyance that I can easily ignore.

Sidenote, why is it that women can only be "strong" when they take on masculine roles and behaviours? Why can no one seem to depict a strong feminine woman, they all need to be butch, masculine characters, if anything that seems a bit patronising and disparaging towards feminine women. Men and women compliment each other, we're partners in this world. Men have strengths women often don't have, and vice versa for women. No one seems to explore that though.

[rojimboo]

Originally posted by Naylor:

Originally posted by rojimboo:

To be honest, unless you are actually spending time looking for these things, you probably wouldn't have noticed nor cared about it.

That's the position with the most empathy. It shouldn't matter that a singular video game happens to have more strong women. It shouldn't matter if their genitals are on the inside rather than the outside.

It makes no difference at the end of the day.

I've dealt with the myth that women are to blame for their visible and statistical lack of prominence in many positions. It's just a fact, that science has disproved many times.

What you do about it, is another matter.

Eh, I definitely noticed it. It just isn't a dealbreaker for me, just a mild annoyance that I can easily ignore.

Sidenote, why is it that women can only be "strong" when they take on masculine roles and behaviours? Why can no one seem to depict a strong feminine woman, they all need to be butch, masculine characters, if anything that seems a bit patronising and disparaging towards feminine women. Men and women compliment each other, we're partners in this world. Men have strengths women often don't have, and vice versa for women. No one seems to explore that though.

There are plenty of 'feminine' strong powerful women in the real world, who don't take testosterone and grow a beard or body build and do combat arts and shoot with assault rifles.

In this game they just happen to be women. In my mind it should make no difference, women can be whatever they like, and men don't have the monopoly on being strong and powerful.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally posted by rojimboo:

Originally posted by Naylor:

Eh, I definitely noticed it. It just isn't a dealbreaker for me, just a mild annoyance that I can easily ignore.

Sidenote, why is it that women can only be "strong" when they take on masculine roles and behaviours? Why can no one seem to depict a strong feminine woman, they all need to be butch, masculine characters, if anything that seems a bit patronising and disparaging towards feminine women. Men and women compliment each other, we're partners in this world. Men have strengths women often don't have, and vice versa for women. No one seems to explore that though.

There are plenty of 'feminine' strong powerful women in the real world, who don't take testosterone and grow a beard or body build and do combat arts and shoot with assault rifles.

In this game they just happen to be women. In my mind it should make no difference, women can be whatever they like, and men don't have the monopoly on being strong and powerful.

But this game implies they can only be strong if they aren't feminine. Look at arguably the most feminine woman in the game, pavarti, who's timid and week and relies on the main character just to have the courage to ask someone out. That is insulting to all the strong feminine women out there.

[rojimboo]

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove:

Originally posted by rojimboo:

There are plenty of 'feminine' strong powerful women in the real world, who don't take testosterone and grow a beard or body build and do combat arts and shoot with assault rifles.

In this game they just happen to be women. In my mind it should make no difference, women can be whatever they like, and men don't have the monopoly on being strong and powerful.

But this game implies they can only be strong if they aren't feminine. Look at arguably the most feminine woman in the game, pavarti, who's timid and week and relies on the main character just to have the courage to ask someone out. That is insulting to all the strong feminine women out there.

I'm sorry, but you are reading far too much into it, due to preconceptions and shoe horning a deliberate political agenda on the part of Obsidian in a vidya game.

People are individuals. It doesn't matter if they happen to be women or men.

I can't believe I had to write that out.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally posted by rojimboo:

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove:

But this game implies they can only be strong if they aren't feminine. Look at arguably the most feminine woman in the game, pavarti, who's timid and week and relies on the main character just to have the courage to ask someone out. That is insulting to all the strong feminine women out there.

I'm sorry, but you are reading far too much into it, due to preconceptions and shoe horning a deliberate political agenda on the part of Obsidian in a vidya game.

People are individuals. It doesn't matter if they happen to be women or men.

I can't believe I had to write that out.

Funny how I'm not the only one noticing this then. Or are we all reading too much into it? You are blinded by your ignorance so much that you're completely missing the point of the criticisms. No one is out here demanding anime characters because every woman has to be subserviant and feminine. We just want appropiate and equal represention that isnt marred by a very obvious and naive political agenda. If you dont see it thats fine, the game still ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sucks even if you disregard the politics. It's bland and does nothing new, all the things people are praising it for have been done better by games ten years ago.

Mass effect and kotor were better for space exploration and companions.

New vegas had actual choices that matter. Actually look at the dialogue system for what it is. whether you choose intimidate, persuade, medical or whatever makes zero difference. It doesn't affect how anyone see's you or the end result. Its the same path with just slightly different dialogue compared to new vegas where a house playthrough and a legion playthough are entirely different.

and the combat is so abysmal pretty much any game in the past ten years is better. The AI is laughable, its the worst AI I've seen in a decade.

You're all kidding yourselves if you really think this is the best game since new vegas.

[rojimboo]

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove:

Originally posted by rojimboo:

I'm sorry, but you are reading far too much into it, due to preconceptions and shoe horning a deliberate political agenda on the part of Obsidian in a vidya game.

People are individuals. It doesn't matter if they happen to be women or men.

I can't believe I had to write that out.

Funny how I'm not the only one noticing this then. Or are we all reading too much into it?

In a word, yep.

You are blinded by your ignorance so much that you're completely missing the point of the criticisms. No one is out here demanding anime characters because every woman has to be subserviant and feminine. We just want appropiate and equal represention that isnt marred by a very obvious and naive political agenda.

People will see things differently. It's called life. Still it makes no difference that Obsidian happened to put strong women into a vidya game, it's refreshing to be honest. Whilst there are serious heavy political overtones in the game, they deal with anti-multinational-corporationism, not feminism.

You guys focus too much on the sex of the characters. How does it impact you in any way?