Are PUBG a lost case? Are we actually allowed to cheat now?

[Mnky]

So, i tried coming back to my beloved game again..

Once again, i only meet cheaters. They are not even trying to hide it, they blatantly use radar and aimbot. Where are the cheat controls/admins, call it whatever you want.

PUBG is loosing its people, and the devs are not even trying to do anything about it.

[Kazabookie]

引用自 Lega：

引用自 Mnemonic：

Its still not true.

That is your problem mate if you won't accept how it is, you don't even try to explain like I do.

They can reduce it but nothing more and that is also not possible in all shooters today.
Rocket League is the first, I don't say shooter but E-sport game, I know which is server side.

There are also others like League of Legends but those aren't so close to shooters than Rocket.

Server side games can prevent and reduce a lot of cheats and Rocket League is also very complex as game itself which makes it very hard to code aimbots for it.

I would love to see a game like PUBG from you with all things you want in it just to end up with the same game as now because you also have to things like them even if you don't want.

You can't run a game with so many players and keep all important things on the server.
You also would face a lot of other problems if you start to use any ID based systems just to get the same conclusion as them.

This is the problem, you never needed to take care about any real relevant facts.

As per usual, you are clearly wrong.

If you utilized a 3FA protocol for users, with IP and Hardware IP tracking, then feed that through a blockchain based login protocol system (which would verify user files on each independent login and verify them with an independent hash) it would be impossible to get a cheat booted into the system.

What you MEAN to say is that it is impossible because a) you do not understand the technology and b) companies are not deploying it yet because of cost. (which, is now being changed thanks to new blockchain protocols).

There is literally no latency issues, scaling would not be an issue, and many games already use a FA login system (including this one).

[Lega]

引用自 Kazabookie：

引用自 Lega：

That is your problem mate if you won't accept how it is, you don't even try to explain like I do.

They can reduce it but nothing more and that is also not possible in all shooters today.
Rocket League is the first, I don't say shooter but E-sport game, I know which is server side.

There are also others like League of Legends but those aren't so close to shooters than Rocket.

Server side games can prevent and reduce a lot of cheats and Rocket League is also very complex as game itself which makes it very hard to code aimbots for it.

I would love to see a game like PUBG from you with all things you want in it just to end up with the same game as now because you also have to things like them even if you don't want.

You can't run a game with so many players and keep all important things on the server.
You also would face a lot of other problems if you start to use any ID based systems just to get the same conclusion as them.

This is the problem, you never needed to take care about any real relevant facts.

As per usual, you are clearly wrong.

If you utilized a 3FA protocol for users, with IP and Hardware IP tracking, then feed that through a blockchain based login protocol system (which would verify user files on each independent login and verify them with an independent hash) it would be impossible to get a cheat booted into the system.

What you MEAN to say is that it is impossible because a) you do not understand the technology and b) companies are not deploying it yet because of cost. (which, is now being changed thanks to new blockchain protocols).

There is literally no latency issues, scaling would not be an issue, and many games already use a FA login system (including this one).

Or you just see your idea without to know everything by your self.

Even Valorant didn't use such a system and they have the highest standart of all games today. They don't even have a full server side anti-cheat otherwise they wouldn't use such an high invasive firewall like Vanguard. Why? Because anti-cheat is just one important aspect of a shooter and performance is super relevant too which is also one point of them.

Just the fact you named Ip here is already enough proof that you won't think further.
It's not even close realistic to use anything based on IP, same for Hardware ID too.

Not to mention the problems of block chains and how to control it, not any word of that just a claim.

[Mnemonic]

引用自 Lega：

引用自 Mnemonic：

Its still not true.

That is your problem mate if you won't accept how it is, you don't even try to explain like I do.

They can reduce it but nothing more and that is also not possible in all shooters today.
Rocket League is the first, I don't say shooter but E-sport game, I know which is server side.

There are also others like League of Legends but those aren't so close to shooters than Rocket.

Server side games can prevent and reduce a lot of cheats and Rocket League is also very complex as game itself which makes it very hard to code aimbots for it.

I would love to see a game like PUBG from you with all things you want in it just to end up with the same game as now because you also have to things like them even if you don't want.

You can't run a game with so many players and keep all important things on the server.
You also would face a lot of other problems if you start to use any ID based systems just to get the same conclusion as them.

This is the problem, you never needed to take care about any real relevant facts.

I've explained it many times. And each time you choose to ignore it and then repeat these fallacies.

[Lega]

引用自 Mnemonic：

引用自 Lega：

That is your problem mate if you won't accept how it is, you don't even try to explain like I do.

They can reduce it but nothing more and that is also not possible in all shooters today.
Rocket League is the first, I don't say shooter but E-sport game, I know which is server side.

There are also others like League of Legends but those aren't so close to shooters than Rocket.

Server side games can prevent and reduce a lot of cheats and Rocket League is also very complex as game itself which makes it very hard to code aimbots for it.

I would love to see a game like PUBG from you with all things you want in it just to end up with the same game as now because you also have to things like them even if you don't want.

You can't run a game with so many players and keep all important things on the server.
You also would face a lot of other problems if you start to use any ID based systems just to get the same conclusion as them.

This is the problem, you never needed to take care about any real relevant facts.

I've explained it many times. And each time you choose to ignore it and then repeat these fallacies.

I remember it only one times so it shouldn't be so hard to name it again otherwise don't claim i'm wrong please.

Write it and safe it.

[Kazabookie]

引用自 Lega：

引用自 Kazabookie：

As per usual, you are clearly wrong.

If you utilized a 3FA protocol for users, with IP and Hardware IP tracking, then feed that through a blockchain based login protocol system (which would verify user files on each independent login and verify them with an independent hash) it would be impossible to get a cheat booted into the system.

What you MEAN to say is that it is impossible because a) you do not understand the technology and b) companies are not deploying it yet because of cost. (which, is now being changed thanks to new blockchain protocols).

There is literally no latency issues, scaling would not be an issue, and many games already use a FA login system (including this one).

Or you just see your idea without to know everything by your self.

Even Valorant didn't use such a system and they have the highest standart of all games today. They don't even have a full server side anti-cheat otherwise they wouldn't use such an high invasive firewall like Vanguard. Why? Because anti-cheat is just one important aspect of a shooter and performance is super relevant too which is also one point of them.

Just the fact you named Ip here is already enough proof that you won't think further.
It's not even close realistic to use anything based on IP, same for Hardware ID too.

Not to mention the problems of block chains and how to control it, not any word of that just a claim.

Thats not a response. PUBG are using a blockchain system in their S.Korea tournament. You clearly have no idea what blockchain is 'no one can control it' - um, yes, its a centralized piece of software.

As per usual you have ignored all the points and gone off on something about IP? IP is literally a defining factor in anti-cheat technology, you need to assess the protocol primarily to see if files are compromised.

So, basically, what we learned today is that you actually know nothing about the underlying technology of how games and anti-cheat systems work. You basically just write nonsense.

[Lega]

引用自 Kazabookie：

引用自 Lega：

Or you just see your idea without to know everything by your self.

Even Valorant didn't use such a system and they have the highest standart of all games today. They don't even have a full server side anti-cheat otherwise they wouldn't use such an high invasive firewall like Vanguard. Why? Because anti-cheat is just one important aspect of a shooter and performance is super relevant too which is also one point of them.

Just the fact you named Ip here is already enough proof that you won't think further.
It's not even close realistic to use anything based on IP, same for Hardware ID too.

Not to mention the problems of block chains and how to control it, not any word of that just a claim.

Thats not a response. PUBG are using a blockchain system in their S.Korea tournament. You clearly have no idea what blockchain is 'no one can control it' - um, yes, its a centralized piece of software.

As per usual you have ignored all the points and gone off on something about IP? IP is literally a defining factor in anti-cheat technology, you need to assess the protocol primarily to see if files are compromised.

So, basically, what we learned today is that you actually know nothing about the underlying technology of how games and anti-cheat systems work. You basically just write nonsense.

If people speak about IP they mean:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address

So if you meant something else you have to write it clear.

I didn't ignore your points, I spoke about most of them even blockchain.

I already told you in the past, even if there is a system based on that it would take a lot of time to create something like that and as you already said by your self, PUBG did use something like that already. So how do you know they don't work on something like that?

Would love to see your source about it, just say.

[Mnemonic]

引用自 Lega：

引用自 Mnemonic：

I've explained it many times. And each time you choose to ignore it and then repeat these fallacies.

I remember it only one times so it shouldn't be so hard to name it again otherwise don't claim i'm wrong please.

Write it and safe it.

You are the only one claiming this : You cant stop cheating 100% therefor it makes no sense to blame PUBG for anything.

That is intellectually dishonest.

While its true you cant stop cheating 100%, it is true that you can make life SO HARD for the cheaters and the devs of cheats that you reduce the problem significantly more than what we have now.

Its a numbers game. It has always been a numbers game.

You are the only one with the black/white either/or rhetoric.

And PUBG could do much MUCH more to make life hard on the cheaters.
They could have done 2FA years ago.
Why is 2FA still only ranked?

They actually had the chance to do something now, with the second surge of covid-19, people are still playing the game. When people are vaccinated and goes outside again, what game is gonna be one of the FIRST that gamers forget all about? Thats right. Pubg.

We got a few months left till its lights out.

[Lega]

引用自 author：

You are the only one claiming this : You cant stop cheating 100% therefor it makes no sense to blame PUBG for anything.

That is intellectually dishonest.

While its true you cant stop cheating 100%, it is true that you can make life SO HARD for the cheaters and the devs of cheats that you reduce the problem significantly more than what we have now.

I don't talk about PUBG only here, it counts for all shooters on pc.
You also say now my claim is correct but before it wasn't.

2FA is so weak because they don't have any chance to get the ID behind so it's worthless.

CSGO did it long time before without to see any relevant improvement but you still use it as argument against them.

There is always room for more and I never declined it but you wouldn't see the effect of it most at the time. And that is excatly my point here.

You complain, they do something while others already tell you, "it doesn't work either", and after you are shocked again, it doesn't work and the circle starts from the begin.

The worst part here is, you decline every single step of the from the past years and the efforts were very big compared to any other shooter before. I did only read one positive point of you in all that time here.

PUBG is just unlucky to be first big hit in China otherwise it wouldn't lead about it.
That is also one important fact to name here and 95% of all shooters wouldn't have ping lock them either. Still PUBG is the worst for you guys. As I said, I do expect much more from all the old developers before I would come to PUBG.

[Lega]

https://medium.com/klaytn/klaytn-governance-council-pubg-83adc9a1ad35

I found some article about PUBG blockchain and since Korea has started a huge fight against cheats, in general, it would make sense if they work on something like that and if there is any possibility to also use it against cheaters they will use it for it too.

But that isn't a minus for PUBG here it's a plus.

https://riversideeddy.ca/south-korea-passes-new-law-to-combat-cheating-in-video-games/

If I'm not wrong, the CEO of PUBG was part of the gaming organization who pushed such things further there. We need it in our countries too but cheating in online games isn't really high on the list here. I mean, it wouldn't stop the cheater coder but they couldn't make it so obvious anymore. Maybe they even have to leave their home countries.

[Pasi]

引用自 SMUCKEY：

引用自 Playnonen：

Isnt this "cheaters everywhere" thing quite exaggerated? I played 100+ games in a few weeks, many times i end up top 10 and I often spectate the games til finish. I cant say Ive seen any obvious cheating. I play Europe, mostly Solo, and only FPP. Maybe different in TPP and other regions, I dont know, but I dont feel this "I only meet cheaters" thing

I don't know why this excuse is introduced. Cheaters, if they want, can change their perspective FPP/TPP. This does not mean that the same anticheat will stop them ... Lame excuse for their job btw .. It is not as if the same anticheat behaves differently because of perspectives. It's exactly the same anticheat!

True, I only mentioned that i only play FPP because I know that there are more cheaters in TPP, and maybe that was why I MAYBE encounter less cheating I did not say anything about that it would be harder or impossible to cheat in FPP. It probabbly works just as well.Its just the fact that there are/was more cheaters playing in TPP than in FPP. Maybe because many of them are more used to playing TPP to begin with. I did know this but I see I was a bit vague in my original post. Anyway, this thread got booring long time ago, maybe we can move on now? Some of us have different opinons on things, thats all.
And Im just gonna say it, I can be wrong about this whole "exaggerated" thing, for sure, It was just not how I had experienced it. Never meant to offend anyone here.
Peace :)

[Mnemonic]

引用自 Lega：

引用自 author：

You are the only one claiming this : You cant stop cheating 100% therefor it makes no sense to blame PUBG for anything.

That is intellectually dishonest.

While its true you cant stop cheating 100%, it is true that you can make life SO HARD for the cheaters and the devs of cheats that you reduce the problem significantly more than what we have now.

I don't talk about PUBG only here, it counts for all shooters on pc.
You also say now my claim is correct but before it wasn't.

2FA is so weak because they don't have any chance to get the ID behind so it's worthless.

CSGO did it long time before without to see any relevant improvement but you still use it as argument against them.

There is always room for more and I never declined it but you wouldn't see the effect of it most at the time. And that is excatly my point here.

You complain, they do something while others already tell you, "it doesn't work either", and after you are shocked again, it doesn't work and the circle starts from the begin.

The worst part here is, you decline every single step of the from the past years and the efforts were very big compared to any other shooter before. I did only read one positive point of you in all that time here.

PUBG is just unlucky to be first big hit in China otherwise it wouldn't lead about it.
That is also one important fact to name here and 95% of all shooters wouldn't have ping lock them either. Still PUBG is the worst for you guys. As I said, I do expect much more from all the old developers before I would come to PUBG.

"You also say now my claim is correct but before it wasn't."
- Nope. The argument has ALWAYS been that PUBG could do more to curb cheaters and you have ALWAYS countered that with "pubg cant stop cheaters, no-one can".
I have stated MANY MANY times that yea, you cant eliminate cheaters 100%. MANY times. Either you dont listen or you dont read.. Either way thats on you.

"2FA is so weak because they don't have any chance to get the ID behind so it's worthless."
- False. It lowers the amount of cheaters with a non zero value. This has got to be deducible by all of us. I hope you agree.

"You complain, they do something while others already tell you, "it doesn't work either", and after you are shocked again, it doesn't work and the circle starts from the begin."
- You are the only one here telling me that. And you are wrong. Also there may be a language barrier here, again, thats is not on me. Thats on you.

"PUBG is just unlucky to be first big hit in China otherwise it wouldn't lead about it."
- I dont understand what that means.

"That is also one important fact to name here and 95% of all shooters wouldn't have ping lock them either. Still PUBG is the worst for you guys. As I said, I do expect much more from all the old developers before I would come to PUBG."
- I dont understand what that means either.

Peace.

[Lega]

It has nothing to do with the barrier of language and I show it to you.

I said

引用自 Lega：

Fact one, nobody can stop them from cheating in games like PUBG on Pc so don't claim otherwise please.

引用自 Mnemonic：

While its true you cant stop cheating 100%

So you agree with my previous statement because it isn't possible to stop them.
To reduce is a huge difference compared to that.

It was all about that and nothing more so I didn't say something wrong here.

Just because you believe they could reduce it drastically, doesn't mean they could.

引用自 Mnemonic：

- False. It lowers the amount of cheaters with a non zero value. This has got to be deducible by all of us. I hope you agree.

No I can't agree because we already have it in the game for one year and people still claim ranked is infested. It is a good thing for ranked and I also would use it too but the effect of it is very very small. The 80 level restriction before new accounts are able to play ranked is much more useful as that. The only real effect is against stolen accounts because they can't play so fast if they change the phone number.

Cheating isn't cheap so most cheater already pay a lot to have that advantage, to get some new phone card isn't a big deal. In most countries, they don't even need to show the id card for it.

That is the reason and the circle I named here many times.

There is nothing they could do to stop cheaters from returning to the game because the only way for it to decrease it drastically is the money. Is it possible for them to make so expansive?

No. They can't increase the price of PUBG because most others games are already free to play. To work against cheat coders is also not an easy task because most countries don't support the laws for it like Korea.

Every small step of what they could do wouldn't help either and that is exactly my point and the proof for that is already in our forum every single day. They did a lot but did you guys notice it? No you didn't and it will be the same even after all possible things.

Ping lock wouldn't help in Fpp but in Tpp. Without the ping lock, they could ban all internet cafes with HWID bans but would it stop them? No because it's the buisness of them and they can't stop. They just use all tools to bypass it and done we are back at the start like all the time.

That is the other circle of cheat vs anti-cheat and the motivation on the side of the cheaters is very very big.

[Mnemonic]

引用自 Lega：

It has nothing to do with the barrier of language and I show it to you.

I said

引用自 Lega：

Fact one, nobody can stop them from cheating in games like PUBG on Pc so don't claim otherwise please.

引用自 Mnemonic：

While its true you cant stop cheating 100%

So you agree with my previous statement because it isn't possible to stop them.
To reduce is a huge difference compared to that.

It was all about that and nothing more so I didn't say something wrong here.

Just because you believe they could reduce it drastically, doesn't mean they could.

引用自 Mnemonic：

- False. It lowers the amount of cheaters with a non zero value. This has got to be deducible by all of us. I hope you agree.

No I can't agree because we already have it in the game for one year and people still claim ranked is infested. It is a good thing for ranked and I also would use it too but the effect of it is very very small. The 80 level restriction before new accounts are able to play ranked is much more useful as that. The only real effect is against stolen accounts because they can't play so fast if they change the phone number.

Cheating isn't cheap so most cheater already pay a lot to have that advantage, to get some new phone card isn't a big deal. In most countries, they don't even need to show the id card for it.

That is the reason and the circle I named here many times.

There is nothing they could do to stop cheaters from returning to the game because the only way for it to decrease it drastically is the money. Is it possible for them to make so expansive?

No. They can't increase the price of PUBG because most others games are already free to play. To work against cheat coders is also not an easy task because most countries don't support the laws for it like Korea.

Every small step of what they could do wouldn't help either and that is exactly my point and the proof for that is already in our forum every single day. They did a lot but did you guys notice it? No you didn't and it will be the same even after all possible things.

Ping lock wouldn't help in Fpp but in Tpp. Without the ping lock, they could ban all internet cafes with HWID bans but would it stop them? No because it's the buisness of them and they can't stop. They just use all tools to bypass it and done we are back at the start like all the time.

That is the other circle of cheat vs anti-cheat and the motivation on the side of the cheaters is very very big.

"So you agree with my previous statement because it isn't possible to stop them.
To reduce is a huge difference compared to that."
- No. No. No. Well. I cant make you understand it so ill stop trying. Either you really dont get it or you are pretending, either way, im done.


"The 80 level restriction before new accounts are able to play ranked is much more useful as that. The only real effect is against stolen accounts because they can't play so fast if they change the phone number."
- See? That is an example of one thing they COULD do. Funny thing is that before they implemented that, you were here, arguing the same point you are now "nothing can be done"... while you just posted evidence of the contrary. So. Just cause YOU cant contrive methods of reducing the cheating population doesnt mean that others cant either.
Stop putting your own limitations on others. On me.

"No. They can't increase the price of PUBG because most others games are already free to play. To work against cheat coders is also not an easy task because most countries don't support the laws for it like Korea."
- See, that is the only thing YOU can come up with. Legislation on a national level. There is plenty of other vectors still not utilized.

"Ping lock wouldn't help in Fpp but in Tpp."
- What?

"Without the ping lock, they could ban all internet cafes with HWID bans but would it stop them? No because it's the buisness of them and they can't stop. They just use all tools to bypass it and done we are back at the start like all the time."
- No? Think.

[Lega]

Don't tell me I don't understand you if you refuse the accept the last standing point here.

After all they did we are still here where most of you never did see anything of what they did and you still claim, "it will be different if they do more".

No, nothing will be different because all effects are so low you will not see it again and again because cheater will be still there like before.

[𒆜Nurse☩With☩Wound𒆜]

So many walls of text later, game is still trash, run by people who just dont care as long as they can milk some cash out of it.. Got it =) With 350k people online, there is a good chance you wont run into a cheater (especially if you suck) as some nub will have long since killed you before the beater has to put you down. So saying ' ohh i played 100's of hours an never saw it ' means jack nothing =) Its a known issue, there are billions of videos showing people cheating.. an its something you accept when you play this POS because they dont give a crap, an NEVER have..