Why is there anti-cheat when AC doesn't detect cheats?

[SoloTrolo]

I mean, why? what's the point of banning if the cheats aren't detected by anti-cheat software? We installed it, yet it doesn't protect us.

[Dose of reality]

Great question. Many of us have been asking this (and getting banned for asking this) for a long time.

The most impactful and powerful cheat in a battle royale game, ESP/wall hacks is not even detectable with Pubg's "AC".

It is incredibly inept and relies primarily on the manual review of MILLIONS of daily player reports.

[Lega]

What's the point of anti-virus if it doesn't protect you in case it doesn't know the virus?

Yes, anti-virus are able to protect much better but only because it's possible to clean the PC and take care after.

One end of the game is always compromised where the hacker controls everything.

In such a scenario, anti-virus wouldn't even exist because it's impossible to protect,
this is how the situation of anti-cheats vs cheats is.

Just research some facts and learn what makes cyber security so complicated and keep in mind, even the NSA got hacked some while ago. One of the best coders/hackers on the planet.

[Lega]

Originally posted by Dose of reality:

Great question. Many of us have been asking this (and getting banned for asking this) for a long time.

The most impactful and powerful cheat in a battle royale game, ESP/wall hacks is not even detectable with Pubg's "AC".

It is incredibly inept and relies primarily on the manual review of MILLIONS of daily player reports.

Yes and you also got all necessary answers but somehow, many don't like what experts say about it because they don't confirm cheating can be fixed/drastically reduced.

[SoloTrolo]

just tag cheater accounts.
then put them into a special server for only cheaters.
that way only cheaters will play against cheaters.
and all legit players will play with legit players.
cheaters only end up in legit servers because they made new accounts after their accounts were banned.
it's not a hard concept to understand this.

[Lega]

Originally posted by SoloTrolo:

just tag cheater accounts.
then put them into a special server for only cheaters.
that way only cheaters will play against cheaters.
and all legit players will play with legit players.
cheaters only end up in legit servers because they made new accounts after their accounts were banned.
it's not a hard concept to understand this.

You know what shadow bans do?

Basically what you say but once the cheaters know whats going on, they spoof everything to be a normal user again.

Putting new accounts vs cheaters will block new players and it wouldn't stop cheaters.
They just buy legit-lobby ready accounts that got upranked, no difference.

It just works for a short time and there is no fool-proof solution currently.

Counter Strike had something like Trustfactor and it works to some certain point but CS only has 10 players on one server and this is just one limitation and Trustfactor doesn't work many times and Premier doesn't have it at all.

[ZEFIR001]

Modern cheats are way much above and further advanced than any anti-cheat.
This war (ac vs cheats) is clearly lost long time ago. A;so considering that this game and Tarkov are basic testfields of hacks are pretty much self explanatory.

[Ragman006]

Originally posted by Lega:

What's the point of anti-virus if it doesn't protect you in case it doesn't know the virus?

Yes, anti-virus are able to protect much better but only because it's possible to clean the PC and take care after.

One end of the game is always compromised where the hacker controls everything.

In such a scenario, anti-virus wouldn't even exist because it's impossible to protect,
this is how the situation of anti-cheats vs cheats is.

Just research some facts and learn what makes cyber security so complicated and keep in mind, even the NSA got hacked some while ago. One of the best coders/hackers on the planet.

Imagine how long an antivirus company would stay in business if it didnt stop virus's.
Im glad the antifreeze in my vehicles works. Imagine if was unable to stop the fluids freezing.

[Shady Knights]

Originally posted by Ragman006:

Imagine how long an antivirus company would stay in business if it didnt stop virus's.
Im glad the antifreeze in my vehicles works. Imagine if was unable to stop the fluids freezing.

I know right. What a way to draw attention to how bad anticheat works v's antivirus. We all wish anticheat worked as well as antivirus.

The antivirus devs face exactly the same challenges as anticheat devs (OS security issues, virus devs constantly changing and evolving etc), but take days/hours to remedy any gaps in their detection. They do so much of a better job of it than anticheat devs.

It's actually worse, the anticheat devs have an easier job because their core concern is the game software running on the PC only where the antivius Dev's have to worry about any program at all running on the PC at all times.

[Shady Knights]

Originally posted by Lega:

You know what shadow bans do?

Originally posted by Lega:

It just works for a short time and there is no fool-proof solution currently.

Yet you are diminishing even doing it because cheaters figure it out eventually. You are basically saying that unless there's a perfect solution to cheating, don't even bother doing it, let alone suggesting it.

I'm completely for wasting cheaters time as much as possible. Shadow bans absolutely are a tool that degrades the cheaters experience and should be used.

The only types of people that would be against such ideas are the cheaters themselves.

[BurgerKing]

It's just some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ sniper BR game at this point. Weapon recoil is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ so rifles win 24/7. I'll be glad when this game dies.

[Integrity]

Originally posted by Lega:

Originally posted by SoloTrolo:

just tag cheater accounts.
then put them into a special server for only cheaters.
that way only cheaters will play against cheaters.
and all legit players will play with legit players.
cheaters only end up in legit servers because they made new accounts after their accounts were banned.
it's not a hard concept to understand this.

You know what shadow bans do?

Basically what you say but once the cheaters know whats going on, they spoof everything to be a normal user again.

Putting new accounts vs cheaters will block new players and it wouldn't stop cheaters.
They just buy legit-lobby ready accounts that got upranked, no difference.

It just works for a short time and there is no fool-proof solution currently.

Counter Strike had something like Trustfactor and it works to some certain point but CS only has 10 players on one server and this is just one limitation and Trustfactor doesn't work many times and Premier doesn't have it at all.

Adding something like a "shadow system" to PUBG would be the worst implementation in history due to we all know that the PUBG community is the most toxic to ever exist right after league of legends community.

The people in PUBG rage report until there is no tomorow, even going into replay mode thinking something looks off and then reports there again.

Myself I encountered 1x 24H ban within the past 2 years but friends of mine who are mechanically good and have more than 10 years of FPS/Moba experience (Alooooot of comp) are low levels getting hit by 24h bans every single day. They get to play 1-2 games and the system auto bans them again due to rage reports.

PUBG is down bad since years and nothing will revive this game. I only play this game out of pure addiction but seeing how blatantly people cheat in ranked it won't take long until I pack my bags and look for something better and trust me some day a new game will burry this one.

Copy paste cheats are being hit by perma bans and then you have some smartasses at KRAFTON who goes into replays and determine whether someone cheats or not which is just straight up pathetic after adding 90 different anti cheats to the game.

[Lega]

@Peepostonks

Did I say I want add it to PUBG?

I didn't, it was just an example and I doubt you find a better ranked mode except maybe Valorant but even there, high ranks suffer from cheating.

Either by using private third party hardware cheats or because teams group up and fool the system this way. You may have a better experience in other games but not because of fewer cheaters. I also enjoy Apex more but the cheating issue and support of the devs is worse but I still have more fun because I perform better.

I wish you the best if you leave at some day.

About your theory what you think the devs do in terms of checking video evidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vui-YBPvaKM&list=LL&index=71&t=1085s

00:25:00 Explanation of problems related to checking video evidence.

This is why anti-cheat developers don't use this method often because it contains a lot of problems. I made a few correct prediction, like PUBG may add Fog of War and they did etc, and now I add another one.

PUBG most likely works on a better AI version to filter non relevant video evidence.
It still remains on human intervention but it's much more efficient if almost all cases they check lead to a ban. This will help to catch obvious cheaters more quickly.

[Kuma]

I see that those Lega and 3333 guy are still dickriding the game and telling that there are no cheaters. How long is it? Almost 2 years they keep spamming every cheating topic lol, i don't even need to see the names i just know that the "blocked user" post are them in here. Talk about unpaid shilling

[Lega]

Originally posted by Kuma:

I see that those Lega and 3333 guy are still dickriding the game and telling that there are no cheaters. How long is it? Almost 2 years they keep spamming every cheating topic lol, i don't even need to see the names i just know that the "blocked user" post are them in here. Talk about unpaid shilling

I never said no cheating issue but regardless how often I prove such claims wrong it never stops.

Check my history, few posts ago I said.

"P.s

I know how bad the cheating issue in ranked is, no need to hop on that point all over again."

I don't agree with many of the claims here and that's enough for some to think I'm denying even known facts.

[Extreme Hiding]

Originally posted by SoloTrolo:

I mean, why? what's the point of banning if the cheats aren't detected by anti-cheat software? We installed it, yet it doesn't protect us.

The anti cheats absolutely do detect cheats. In the last year, both reports that i made for suspected cheating resulted in bans and the anti cheat solidified the ban.