Cheaters are banned for 3 days...is this a joke?

[Ƀuho de Ðios]

The anti cheat system seems to be ok and getting better, thats awesome.
Now, do you think 3-5 days of suspension is enough? They come back, and keep cheating.

[Mtjeeves]

Originally posted by Buho de Dios:

The anti cheat system seems to be ok and getting better, thats awesome.
Now, do you think 3-5 days of suspension is enough? They come back, and keep cheating.

The anti cheat has always been great. If i need to make a report they get banned simple as. It's rare I have to report anyone tho. Some people want you to think there's cheaters in every round which is some strange shenanigans.

[Sir Diesel]

Originally posted by 33333333:

you can't just permaban people on a whim or a feeling or a hunch. you can't. the evidence must be absolute

Not true, game makers often reserve the right to do whatever they want.

Originally posted by 33333333:

if no permaban was issued then he wasn't hacking

VERY weak and elementary argument.

Originally posted by 33333333:

it's crazy to see that you haven't realized you and your like-minded guys here are the loud, vocal minority

80-90 percent of the PUBG community is hardly a minority.

It doesn't matter anyway, most cheaters create multiple Steam accounts (like the gas-lighters on this forum) and just switch between non-banned accounts. Remember it's Free-To-Cheat, I mean play.

[Lega]

Originally posted by Buho de Dios:

The anti cheat system seems to be ok and getting better, thats awesome.
Now, do you think 3-5 days of suspension is enough? They come back, and keep cheating.

For the system, he's not a cheater but suspect and temporally banned means, they time outed him for further investigation.

Nothing more or less.

Proven cheaters don't get temp bans anymore.

[AughtNisNaughtNoughtBēonAught]

The Titanic is sinking below the surface and Lega is shouting, “We place absolute confidence in the Titanic. We believe that the boat is unsinkable.”

"Proven cheaters" is an overgeneralized concept he uses to claim "We have to be 100% certain the ship is sinking before we deploy life rafts."

The underlying truth is, we as individual players, who can see with our own eyes very obvious aim-bots spectating lazy cheaters repeating the use (often a full arsenal) of cheats against more players after a suspicious death, report those garnished cheaters wearing season pass/g-coin skins. And following those reports, very, very, very few of them result in even a 24-hour temporary slap on the wrist, as long as they're wearing their expensive kindergarten outfits. Re: permanent bans--we as individual players reporting only those cheaters that we've scrutinized over, and there are many indeed after the bots have died off, might get one or two permanent ban updates PER THOUSAND HOURS OF PLAY TIME. The extreme efforts you suggest to go through in order to "bring it to their attention" is proof alone of Krafton/Tencent's intention.

That isn't proof of how few cheaters there are, that's proof of how corrupt the developer and it's troll farm marketing minions fervently defending it are.

[Caturix]

I also don´t understand why they don´t perma ban them. Some of the cheaters ive seen are still in the game, still cheating. I´m pretty sure the have a bunch of accounts and don´t care for one of them being temp banned. The only thing that would actually help were hardware bans!
Or they give us games with bots only, like the 10 new accounts get! Honestly, I´m tired of those cheaters!

[33333333]

Originally posted by 33333333:

how it works is that they are banned for three days

in those three days, they check whether he was actually hacking or not



if no cheats are found, then he is unbanned

if cheats are found, then he will get a permaban

read very carefully:
you can't just permaban people on a whim or a feeling or a hunch. you can't. the evidence must be absolute

there is no such thing as, "oh, i THINK he is cheating; he needs a permaban"

again; you can't permaban people on a whim, feeling, or hunch. that's a major lawsuit waiting to happen for any game publisher

remember, this is correct no matter what anyone thinks. you shouldn't lie about how it works either

read it again, everyone

[Clever Girl]

Originally posted by AughtOughtNahtNaught:

The Titanic is sinking below the surface and Lega is shouting, “We place absolute confidence in the Titanic. We believe that the boat is unsinkable.”

"Proven cheaters" is an overgeneralized concept he uses to claim "We have to be 100% certain the ship is sinking before we deploy life rafts."

The underlying truth is, we as individual players, who can see with our own eyes very obvious aim-bots spectating lazy cheaters repeating the use (often a full arsenal) of cheats against more players after a suspicious death, report those garnished cheaters wearing season pass/g-coin skins. And following those reports, very, very, very few of them result in even a 24-hour temporary slap on the wrist, as long as they're wearing their expensive kindergarten outfits. Re: permanent bans--we as individual players reporting only those cheaters that we've scrutinized over, and there are many indeed after the bots have died off, might get one or two permanent ban updates PER THOUSAND HOURS OF PLAY TIME. The extreme efforts you suggest to go through in order to "bring it to their attention" is proof alone of Krafton/Tencent's intention.

That isn't proof of how few cheaters there are, that's proof of how corrupt the developer and it's troll farm marketing minions fervently defending it are.

That is well said. We all know based of the data krapton provides that 35-45% of the entire pubg playerbase is cheating. That is why despite having a terrible anti cheat solution that relies on player reports, they ban 100k per week.

[AughtNisNaughtNoughtBēonAught]

Originally posted by Clever Girl:

That is well said. We all know based of the data krapton provides that 35-45% of the entire pubg playerbase is cheating. That is why despite having a terrible anti cheat solution that relies on player reports, they ban 100k per week.

Thank you, but I wouldn't even trust their "ban reports" because:

1. Krapton/Nocents is obscuring partial names so no bans can be independently validated
   
2. Krapton/Nocents has a history of interchanging "permanent" with "temporary" re: "bans"
   
3. Krapton/Nocents has a history of appeasing cheaters by design re: lenient punishment
   
4. Krapton/Nocents has a history of appeasing cheaters by design re: death cam
   
5. Krapton/Nocents has a history of appeasing cheaters by design re: placebo reporting sys.
   
6. Krapton/Nocents has a history of conflating effort with results
   
7. Krapton/Nocents has a freemium business model enabling burn accounts by design
   
8. Steam has a business model enabling freemium developers to target bad PR via troll farms

The only thing better than permanently banning only free users that don't spend any money on their in-game content is to not permanently ban the vast majority of "proven cheaters" and to say they did with fabricated numbers and redacted names.

From their apathetic perspective, the effort to permanently ban anyone (that any good developer would have implemented from the very beginning) when they've allowed them to make an infinite number of burn accounts via their complicit platform (no mandated VAC connecting accounts) equates to frustrating their cash cows, potentially losing revenue. They are all enablers for cheating.

Freemium business model is bad for long-term business and affiliates. Sacrificing horrible optics for a quick cash grab that $400,000,000,000 Noncents has pushed hard to milk to death.

[FORNAKS]

Originally posted by Lega:

Originally posted by Buho de Dios:

The anti cheat system seems to be ok and getting better, thats awesome.
Now, do you think 3-5 days of suspension is enough? They come back, and keep cheating.

For the system, he's not a cheater but suspect and temporally banned means, they time outed him for further investigation.

Nothing more or less.

Proven cheaters don't get temp bans anymore.

Even what we transmit via video is now
While it is completely inoperable. I wonder how cheaters that the system cannot even detect are permanently banned. Because the cheater accounts I have been following for a long time are still in the game. In this case, you are a liar again.

I got a daily ban in the past weeks, which shows that the anti-cheat in the game is only taken action based on the number of reports. and this is my 2-day ban.

I am someone who believes in what I see, not someone like you who tries to deceive people and spread misinformation. I am not someone who constantly changes what he writes.

In addition, a cheater has more than one backup account. there are various reasons for this.

[Mtjeeves]

Temp ban means they're likely innocent and it's just a check to make sure. I would give the benefit of the doubt to that player always in that situation as it's highly likely to be innocent.

[FORNAKS]

Originally posted by Mtjeeves:

Temp ban means they're likely innocent and it's just a check to make sure. I would give the benefit of the doubt to that player always in that situation as it's highly likely to be innocent.

It is a case of the anti-cheat failing to perform its normal function. It doesn't matter if the other party is a cheater or not, only a daily one-to-one ban. but after that, no action is provided. I get daily ban notifications of the same accounts for a week, but I have never seen any action taken against any of them.

[charlieb77]

It's just perception vs reality. If the average person doesn't pay much attention, and they perceive you to be doing something positive, the negative reality that you desire and facilitate, can be maintained without the majority realising your actual position.

[AughtNisNaughtNoughtBēonAught]

Originally posted by charlieb77:

It's just perception vs reality. If the average person doesn't pay much attention, and they perceive you to be doing something positive, the negative reality that you desire and facilitate, can be maintained without the majority realising your actual position.

Double dealing with a false narrative (troll farm).

[mtjeeves]

Originally posted by 33333333:

Originally posted by 33333333:

how it works is that they are banned for three days

in those three days, they check whether he was actually hacking or not



if no cheats are found, then he is unbanned

if cheats are found, then he will get a permaban

read very carefully:
you can't just permaban people on a whim or a feeling or a hunch. you can't. the evidence must be absolute

there is no such thing as, "oh, i THINK he is cheating; he needs a permaban"

again; you can't permaban people on a whim, feeling, or hunch. that's a major lawsuit waiting to happen for any game publisher

remember, this is correct no matter what anyone thinks. you shouldn't lie about how it works either

read it again, everyone

And again you're wrong. They can ban you for anything, or for nothing at all if they want. They reserve that right. It's their IP and they are not required to give you access to it at all, no matter what. In fact they could come out with a press release tomorrow saying "333333 and all his other accounts can no longer use our services", and there would be literally NOTHING you can do about it. Sorry to tell you this, but once again. You're wrong when it comes to this topic.

[mtjeeves]

Originally posted by Mtjeeves:

Temp ban means they're likely innocent and it's just a check to make sure. I would give the benefit of the doubt to that player always in that situation as it's highly likely to be innocent.

This person isn't me, doesn't even play this game. They're just here to break the forum rules and never be punished for it!