macro users = real cheaters

[Strac_CRO]

After I was killed I watched my team members all rank 500. Also I saw that in other matches when I was spactating enemies that killed me.
Their M416 and Beril had no recoil. Also the weapons had weird sound. It wasn't a real full auto sound. More like a rapid single fire, 12+ bullets per second.

OK you can learn to control the weapon, but you can only control vertical recoil. Their weapons had no horizontal drift.

[Lega]

I forgot to say.

This isn't just another black or white story because I know, some people cheat therefore, some people also use no-recoil. It's just a fact.

My problem is, when people claim, "I can see many of them", while the spray pattern of both, "controlled spray and no-recoil", looks almost identical.

How can anyone claim he can see a difference there?

[j. valentine]

Lega の投稿を引用：

cheatmorepls の投稿を引用：

mk14 autofire :) its easy to control recoil :D

You never heard of vertical recoil applier?

Set it to 1.2 ingame and you have half the recoil than before. If you set it higher, even less.

Look at Danucd and how she can control it very well and we also can see her hand in her stream and how she control it. No macro needed, just pulling down and mouse and practise.

https://www.twitch.tv/danucd/clip/InnocentBoringCheddarOneHand-mU6-5YKl8vA9Qseq?

vary nice. i can tell this player holds the self accountable and gains the many experience to become better player instead of blame on others

[Shady Knights]

I noted a Tweet by WackyJacky today about a PUBG pro resigning under a cloud of suspicion for cheating, using no recoil macro's.

https://twitter.com/WJacky101/status/1524625588484513792


Apparently it started from these comments made by TGLTN during a stream late in April.

https://clips.twitch.tv/TiredCourageousMelonBigBrother-ANoVfv0SgavXEkGG


From what I found, these were referred through to PUBG/Krafton which were being reviewed/investigated. No outcome of the investigation has been announced as yet.

[Shady Knights]

Poor の投稿を引用：

mtjeeves の投稿を引用：

Cool story bro, show us the video you made with your natural recoil control that makes the macro in the video look like "mediocre recoil control".
I'll wait for your video, not some streamer, but you. Don't let us down.

Yeah we can do that. I consider myself average but I know I can shoot better than a macro. Look at the macro user in the video OP posted using the M416 at the 9:00 mark. Then look at me. My groupings are tighter than his because his macro is unable to account for horizontal recoil. His aim sways wildly side to side but he is also still struggling with vertical recoil since that is also random.

https://s1.webmshare.com/DeRWQ.webm

The 40 minute video notably shows 4x, 3x and 6x scopes, which are significantly more difficult to recoil control than red dot or holo scopes.

Can you give it a try with the AUG and use a 6x and see if you can get a grouping like the original video without a macro? For reference, the original shows a 6x on an AUG at 32:24 into the video, using a full extended mag with 42 bullets unloading into a very tight group.

[Lega]

Shady Knights の投稿を引用：

Poor の投稿を引用：

Yeah we can do that. I consider myself average but I know I can shoot better than a macro. Look at the macro user in the video OP posted using the M416 at the 9:00 mark. Then look at me. My groupings are tighter than his because his macro is unable to account for horizontal recoil. His aim sways wildly side to side but he is also still struggling with vertical recoil since that is also random.

https://s1.webmshare.com/DeRWQ.webm

The 40 minute video notably shows 4x, 3x and 6x scopes, which are significantly more difficult to recoil control than red dot or holo scopes.

Can you give it a try with the AUG and use a 6x and see if you can get a grouping like the original video without a macro? For reference, the original shows a 6x on an AUG at 32:24 into the video, using a full extended mag with 42 bullets unloading into a very tight group.

I can control the recoil best with 6 times on distance because I can see the movement of the recoil much better and compensate. The scope itself also helps because the 3 times is still not like a traditional scope like the crosshair style or the 4 times Acog.

[Lega]

I have to agree, the jitter screen is in fact some big indicator for a macro there.

As long he can't explain it and if he can't perform so well on a neutral pc he hasn't had an impact before he plays, he shouldn't be surprised why people accuse him of cheating.

[Shady Knights]

Lega の投稿を引用：

Shady Knights の投稿を引用：

The 40 minute video notably shows 4x, 3x and 6x scopes, which are significantly more difficult to recoil control than red dot or holo scopes.

Can you give it a try with the AUG and use a 6x and see if you can get a grouping like the original video without a macro? For reference, the original shows a 6x on an AUG at 32:24 into the video, using a full extended mag with 42 bullets unloading into a very tight group.

I can control the recoil best with 6 times on distance because I can see the movement of the recoil much better and compensate. The scope itself also helps because the 3 times is still not like a traditional scope like the crosshair style or the 4 times Acog.

This right here is you downplaying cheating.

6 x recoil control on an AUG at 20m like in the video is very challenging to unload all 42 bullets into a tight grouping like in the video.


I'm not talking about DMR's, I'm talking full auto AR's like the AUG in the video. I find your claim above that you control it the best with 6x scope a little hard to believe. Surely a red dot at 20m is easier to control as per Poor's demonstration.

It's clearly an advantage over other players when using the magnified scopes.

[jackdoslanti]

lol, controlling 6x better than red dot haha. I'd like to see that video and grouping - this one should be good....

[Lega]

jackdoslanti の投稿を引用：

lol, controlling 6x better than red dot haha. I'd like to see that video and grouping - this one should be good....

I can record some sprays if you don't believe it and my explanation to it is solid.

We can see in fact the movement of the recoil much better when we use a distance scope.

Btw, I don't use the 6 times full scoped. Scope it back and you have a 3 times too just with a better crosshair.

[Lega]

Shady Knights の投稿を引用：

Lega の投稿を引用：

I can control the recoil best with 6 times on distance because I can see the movement of the recoil much better and compensate. The scope itself also helps because the 3 times is still not like a traditional scope like the crosshair style or the 4 times Acog.

This right here is you downplaying cheating.

6 x recoil control on an AUG at 20m like in the video is very challenging to unload all 42 bullets into a tight grouping like in the video.


I'm not talking about DMR's, I'm talking full auto AR's like the AUG in the video. I find your claim above that you control it the best with 6x scope a little hard to believe. Surely a red dot at 20m is easier to control as per Poor's demonstration.

It's clearly an advantage over other players when using the magnified scopes.

I don't downplay anything you read again what you want.

Spraying with a 6 times 20 meters away and hitting a lot, isn't a big deal.

It's just a fact and I named that I can spray better with a scope, nothing more.

We ain't all the same and just because some do better with an red dot, doesn't mean all.
That was my main message not down playing cheating.

As I told you many times, just ask before you claim something about others.

[jackdoslanti]

Lega の投稿を引用：

As I told you many times, just ask before you claim something about others.

I just spat my tea out at that comment.

Ok show us the 6x at 20, 50 and 100m and what you're hands are doing at the same time and the settings you're playing under (screenshot of the vertical multipliers etc).

[Lega]

jackdoslanti の投稿を引用：

Lega の投稿を引用：

As I told you many times, just ask before you claim something about others.

I just spat my tea out at that comment.

Ok show us the 6x at 20, 50 and 100m and what you're hands are doing at the same time and the settings you're playing under (screenshot of the vertical multipliers etc).

We spoke of an Aug and 20 meters, not 50 or 100.

20 meters is nothing and Aug is the easiest to handle AR of all.

It seems like, you and othes don't know how much is possible but I do have content to show where you can see the hand of the player.

https://www.twitch.tv/danucd/clip/InnocentBoringCheddarOneHand-mU6-5YKl8vA9Qseq?

Much further than 20 meters, full auto MK and 8 times.

Do you think I would have problems with an Aug + 6 times on just 20 meters?

[jackdoslanti]

No, maybe not. But it would be good to see a comparison of what other players are doing WITH their settings of vert multipliers and can compare it with what I do - as well as the hand movement video. With a 6x and AUG at 20metres for me, with a vert multiplier of 1.5x I have to move my mouse A LOT to keep a good grouping....maybe 20 to 30 centimetres on my mouse mat.....With a red dot at exact same range and multipliers, it moves around 5 to 10cm to keep same grouping.

[j. valentine]

maybe 20m too hard for him. not everybady is good player and that is the OK. need the more experience

[Lega]

I don't know if my old webcam still works on Windows 10/11, I have two systems, one for daily work Win 11, and one for gaming Win 10. I check if it works and record what you would like to see there.

For now, I can post some video I recently recorded to show some new players some good ways to learn to handle the recoil. It wasn't my best day and I also don't crouch and don't use any flashhider/compensator to practise.

My settings are: Windows 4/10, 1600 Dpi, pollingrate 1000hz, PUBG all scopes the same on 29 and no vertical multiplier, just 1 to 1 sens.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2807175946

https://youtu.be/7n1H3e15EZY