Cheaters on leaderboards are not getting banned

[Birthday Snatcher]

Just one simple look into the leaderboards can tell you that cheaters are not getting banned for more than 2 seasons having over 5k/d while they barely got to 1 and less than 100 damage in previous ones. Disappointing.

[Sir Campalot]

I have reported a few very obvious blatant wall hackers and aimbotters and although it was enough to get a temp ban they were not given perma bans. Its crazy you could literally see this guy on a hill scoping in on other players name tags in a distance behind hills and buildings who he could not see, he waited till the targets came into view and then either one tapped them or sprayed wildly without missing a shot from hundreds of metres away, there was no way he wasn't cheating.

The problem is if the cheat program itself is undetectable the devs won't ban. I found a cheat website where some of the users left reviews saying they have been able to use a particular cheat program for a long time without getting perma banned, only temp banned then reinstated.

They are not doing nearly enough to address cheating. They need to implement in game triggers that automatically boots player when things happen they are very out of the ordinary. Like someone being able to spray another player with an AR from hundreds of metres out and not miss a shot, surely they can make a trigger where if that happens the player is booted and auto reported, and perhaps the devs can use some common sense and ban players who do that alot as it's clear they are cheating instead of looking for a cheat program they won't find because its undetectable.

[Birthday Snatcher]

Originally posted by Sir Campalot:

I have reported a few very obvious blatant wall hackers and aimbotters and although it was enough to get a temp ban they were not given perma bans. Its crazy you could literally see this guy on a hill scoping in on other players name tags in a distance behind hills and buildings who he could not see, he waited till the targets came into view and then either one tapped them or sprayed wildly without missing a shot from hundreds of metres away, there was no way he wasn't cheating.

The problem is if the cheat program itself is undetectable the devs won't ban. I found a cheat website where some of the users left reviews saying they have been able to use a particular cheat program for a long time without getting perma banned, only temp banned then reinstated.

They are not doing nearly enough to address cheating. They need to implement in game triggers that automatically boots player when things happen they are very out of the ordinary. Like someone being able to spray another player with an AR from hundreds of metres out and not miss a shot, surely they can make a trigger where if that happens the player is booted and auto reported, and perhaps the devs can use some common sense and ban players who do that alot as it's clear they are cheating instead of looking for a cheat program they won't find because its undetectable.

I mean, they should be able to tell that someone uses cheats when they start playing recently and have only high stats(a lot of kills and wins) or they were very bad one season, but became someone like a pro stats in the next one.

[Lega]

Originally posted by SoloQ Enjoyer:

I mean, they should be able to tell that someone uses cheats when they start playing recently and have only high stats(a lot of kills and wins) or they were very bad one season, but became someone like a pro stats in the next one.

You just don't how it works and has to work.

All things you named are just indicators but not a proof.

Shooters need a court-solid reason to get cheaters banned.

Why?

Those on the leaderboard won't go away after they got banned so banning them won't solve the problem. Having a court-solid proof makes false bans almost impossible.

Meeting cheaters is a bad experience but getting banned without cheating is the worst.
People can lose their friends, clan or in case they do work with it, the entire job, money and basically the life.

[Sir Campalot]

Originally posted by Lega:

Originally posted by SoloQ Enjoyer:

I mean, they should be able to tell that someone uses cheats when they start playing recently and have only high stats(a lot of kills and wins) or they were very bad one season, but became someone like a pro stats in the next one.

You just don't how it works and has to work.

All things you named are just indicators but not a proof.

Shooters need a court-solid reason to get cheaters banned.

Why?

Those on the leaderboard won't go away after they got banned so banning them won't solve the problem. Having a court-solid proof makes false bans almost impossible.

Meeting cheaters is a bad experience but getting banned without cheating is the worst.
People can lose their friends, clan or in case they do work with it, the entire job, money and basically the life.

You are totally exaggerating Lega, how could someone lose their job, money, entire life etc from getting a false ban from an online video game you lose all credibility when you talk nonsense like this and sound like a desperate cheater looking for any straw to clutch on to not to get banned. False bans always get lifted. The majority of those who claim to have been false banned and not lifted would be lying or didn't realise they had something on their system that go them banned like a cheat for another game etc.

I'd much rather have a robust anti cheat that falsely bans now and then, than the one we have now that bans no one. I'd happily take a false ban knowing the anti cheat is a robust one, and that the ban would get over turned easily. The only ones who whine about robust anti cheats are those who cheat in one way or another and don't want to get caught by it.

[Doktor Headshot]

Originally posted by Lega:

People can lose their friends, clan or in case they do work with it, the entire job, money and basically the life.

Yeah, this one seems a bit huge! I hardly believe there is people working with PUBG (beside Developers, of course!) unless we are talking about no-life contractors who ask money in order to level up other people's account but, even in such circumstance, I bet those "workers" not only don't pay taxes to Government and the exploit fees to Krafton but also are prone to cheat to gain their achievements faster than usual!

[ElGuappo]

Originally posted by Lega:

Those on the leaderboard won't go away after they got banned so banning them won't solve the problem. Having a court-solid proof makes false bans almost impossible.

'Court solid'. LOL.

You seem to have skin in the 'anticheats are futile why bother lulz' game.

[Lega]

Originally posted by Sir Campalot:

Originally posted by Lega:

You just don't how it works and has to work.

All things you named are just indicators but not a proof.

Shooters need a court-solid reason to get cheaters banned.

Why?

Those on the leaderboard won't go away after they got banned so banning them won't solve the problem. Having a court-solid proof makes false bans almost impossible.

Meeting cheaters is a bad experience but getting banned without cheating is the worst.
People can lose their friends, clan or in case they do work with it, the entire job, money and basically the life.

You are totally exaggerating Lega, how could someone lose their job, money, entire life etc from getting a false ban from an online video game you lose all credibility when you talk nonsense like this and sound like a desperate cheater looking for any straw to clutch on to not to get banned. False bans always get lifted. The majority of those who claim to have been false banned and not lifted would be lying or didn't realise they had something on their system that go them banned like a cheat for another game etc.

I'd much rather have a robust anti cheat that falsely bans now and then, than the one we have now that bans no one. I'd happily take a false ban knowing the anti cheat is a robust one, and that the ban would get over turned easily. The only ones who whine about robust anti cheats are those who cheat in one way or another and don't want to get caught by it.

No I don't.

Almost everyone who report a good experience is a cheater or troll.

If you see some of your friends has a ban and he claims, "It wasn't me", you probably wouldn't believe him. Same for many other people out there.

I can't even imagine why I have to explain again what a false ban that won't be removed means for a legit player, seriously.

Such a ban based on indicators wouldn't be removed anymore and I just explained why they have to wait for real proof and nothing more. Ofc I sound like a cheater again which proves my first point just because you misunderstood me.

We already have a solid anti-cheat you can't see.

They can't scan all fire fights server side and that is something you expect.
A situation where someone sprays others down on 300 meters perfectly, happens so rarely it doesn't justify the server load. It's much more useful to scan the recoil of the players or other things. All that is already in work or live already and you won't see it.

[Lega]

Originally posted by Doktor Headshot:

Originally posted by Lega:

People can lose their friends, clan or in case they do work with it, the entire job, money and basically the life.

Yeah, this one seems a bit huge! I hardly believe there is people working with PUBG (beside Developers, of course!) unless we are talking about no-life contractors who ask money in order to level up other people's account but, even in such circumstance, I bet those "workers" not only don't pay taxes to Government and the exploit fees to Krafton but also are prone to cheat to gain their achievements faster than usual!

I spoke about Streamers like Wacky Jacky, Danucd, ChocoTaco and many more.

[Slavic_Nationalist]

Originally posted by ElGuappo:

Originally posted by Lega:

Those on the leaderboard won't go away after they got banned so banning them won't solve the problem. Having a court-solid proof makes false bans almost impossible.

'Court solid'. LOL.

You seem to have skin in the 'anticheats are futile why bother lulz' game.

Lol of course he could lose his "job, money, entire life etc"...who do you think is writing the cheats lol????

[Lega]

Originally posted by Slavic_Nationalist:

Originally posted by ElGuappo:

'Court solid'. LOL.

You seem to have skin in the 'anticheats are futile why bother lulz' game.

Lol of course he could lose his "job, money, entire life etc"...who do you think is writing the cheats lol????

Doesn't make sense...

Cheat-coders don't lose their job if someone gets banned.
It happen all the time.

I meant jobs like streamer or pro gamer.

[Sir Campalot]

Originally posted by Lega:

Originally posted by Slavic_Nationalist:

Lol of course he could lose his "job, money, entire life etc"...who do you think is writing the cheats lol????

Doesn't make sense...

Cheat-coders don't lose their job if someone gets banned.
It happen all the time.

I meant jobs like streamer or pro gamer.

Again it's a ridiculous statement Lega, pro gamers and streamers play other games than just pubg, if they got a false ban more than likely it would be rectified. If by some odd turn of luck they did get a false ban that didn't get overturned (not likely), then they could just go and play another game and stream then. That whole statement of yours its a massive exaggeration and I really have to wonder why? , like I said it destroys any kind of credibility you try to make for yourself previously.

Oh and your previous statement that I call out trolls and cheaters on here, well even if I am wrong about you, you have to admit alot of forum users troll alot on these forums and mostly on threads around cheats/cheaters, so in turn its not a far assumption that these trolls are also cheaters. Most probably are hence why they troll to try and get a rise out of people who are fed up with cheaters. Then there would be some trolls who don't cheat but just want to do it to troll and stir people up. Most legit players wouldn't bother trolling other legit players. The other issue is the moderation on these forums unfortunately is rather soft and trolls are allowed to do it to a certain extent without repercussion, so it doesn't help to be able to have proper conversations around these sorts of issues when you have other guys making childish comments.

[Lega]

You must be kidding right?

Onces a pro gamer got banned and his ban won't removed because it was based on indicators, his whole carrer is gone forever.

Same could happen to streamers because people won't trust them anymore.
Wouldn't happen to all but it isn't such a small thing you wanna claim now.

I can't imagine how much I need to defend that point just because you would like to see more actions against cheaters by taking risk of such things. Even worse, cheaters are still back in the game too like before.

[Lega]

I forgot.

Even the point that normal players don't deserve any kind of false ban forever like that too, should be enough to understand why the devs can't use just indicators like high stats, new account high stats and so on.

The reason why I named the troll point wasn't that you claim it. It was related how often and how fast people drop that bomb.

[Sir Campalot]

Originally posted by Lega:

You must be kidding right?

Onces a pro gamer got banned and his ban won't removed because it was based on indicators, his whole carrer is gone forever.

If the ban won't be removed and it's based off of indicators then guess what that means? In all likelyhood the pro or streamer was in fact cheating and deserved what he got. Otherwise as I said the ban will get removed and there is no issue.

Your comment makes no sense at all and your over defence of it is highly questionable.

[Slavic_Nationalist]

When have you ever heard of anyone getting banned for legit playing "too" good. I mean you see countless posts of "Omg I just got banned but I didn't do anything", naive people take it as people are out there being wrongly banned.