Mini-14 vs. SKS

[knees weak arms are sweaters]

Haven't seen a ton of discussion over this so I thought I'd start a thread. Note, I'm not rushing and saying the mini is too strong, I simply want to compare the balance between the mini and the SKS. The way I see it right now, the mini is better than the SKS in every way. Higher muzzle velocity, only just slightly lower damage, higher magazine capacity, is 5.56, seems more common, much easier to mod out etc.. all this puts camp SKS in a pretty bad place. Therefore, here's some thoughts on potential balance between the two. Share your thoughts:

Mini changes:
-Reduce default magazine size to 15
-Built in flash hider

SKS changes:
-Increase default magazine to 15, extended to 30
-Increase damage slightly (able to 1-shot lvl 1 helmet, still unable to 1-shot lvl 2)

Train of thought: slight changes that give slightly more variation between the rifles. SKS gets more damage and can be supressed while having to deal with the higher recoil, while the mini stays relatively unchanged, but can no longer be supressed.

[One Nip]

mini needs major nerf

[knees weak arms are sweaters]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von One Nip:

mini needs major nerf

See, I don't know that's true. Seems too early to tell. Even if the gun is in fact OP, you gotta give it some time and balance passes to get right. Major nerfs would sweep it under both the m16 and SKS making it worthless.

[Catmality]

Either make the Mini-14 a bit more rarer, then make the SKS a bit more common, or just find a way to nerf the Mini-14 in some way.

[❌ Peath]

It needs major nerfs.
Both accuracy and and ammo capacity are too high without any attachments.
It should use more attachments just like SKS to make it perform as it is right now without them.

Basically making it quality of life change - instead being superior from get go even with red dot over other weapons, would put it more in line with others. Having an edge over SKS and M16, and not being blantly superior.

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[Shinzzet]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Catmality:

Either make the Mini-14 a bit more rarer, then make the SKS a bit more common, or just find a way to nerf the Mini-14 in some way.

+1

[knees weak arms are sweaters]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Catmality:

Either make the Mini-14 a bit more rarer, then make the SKS a bit more common, or just find a way to nerf the Mini-14 in some way.

Changing rarity might help a bit, but I am not sure it's enough. What's your suggestion on a nerf? If not what I mentioned in the post. The mini balance is pretty delicate because to be useful it needs to sit exactly between the M16 and SKS.

[knees weak arms are sweaters]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von McCreep:

It needs major nerfs.
Both accuracy and and ammo capacity are too high without any attachments.
It should use more attachments just like SKS to make it perform as it is right now without them.

Basically making it quality of life change - instead being superior from get go even with red dot over other weapons, would put it more in line with others. Having an edge over SKS and M16, and not being blantly superior.

I can get on board with this. However, wouldn't that still make it a straight upgrade to the SKS? If both take the same effort to mod, and the mini is still probably better without mods, that doesn't really help much. Unless of course you change the recoil and muzzle velocity so much to a point where the gun is unusable without mods.

What I'm saying is nerfs isn't enough, I think SKS needs buffed.

[Hellview]

They dont make 15 round magazines for the mini-14. You can have 5,10,20,or 30.

Also, the mini 14 is super loud in game.

[knees weak arms are sweaters]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ragnar Danneskjold:

They dont make 15 round magazines for the mini-14. You can have 5,10,20,or 30.

Fair, I'm just thinking game wise but the devs probably do care about this.

[Some Kinda Kobold]

Mini has real poor damage but of course, Lotta people are immediately like "NERF IT" XD

[Catmality]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von lataf:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Catmality:

Either make the Mini-14 a bit more rarer, then make the SKS a bit more common, or just find a way to nerf the Mini-14 in some way.

Changing rarity might help a bit, but I am not sure it's enough. What's your suggestion on a nerf? If not what I mentioned in the post. The mini balance is pretty delicate because to be useful it needs to sit exactly between the M16 and SKS.

increase recoil. the mini-14 has pretty low recoil, which would make sense for a 5.56mm rifle but in terms of balance, it should just have higher recoil.
it would also stop from people using the "my mousewheel is the fire key so i can shoot faster than a finger"

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[Catmality]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ecru Tether:

Mini has real poor damage but of course, Lotta people are immediately like "NERF IT" XD

for me, i'd rather take the mini-14 than the SKS because the recoil is lower than the SKS, the bullets are faster, and they go farther. numbers wise its "lower damage" but its more useful than an SKS.

[knees weak arms are sweaters]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ecru Tether:

Mini has real poor damage but of course, Lotta people are immediately like "NERF IT" XD

I'm not calling for nerfs because it's "aghghhhh poop" I just think they need to strike a balance between the SKS and mini. The SKS is not a very valuable option in the game right now it seems.