Mini-14 vs. SKS

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Haven't seen a ton of discussion over this so I thought I'd start a thread. Note, I'm not rushing and saying the mini is too strong, I simply want to compare the balance between the mini and the SKS. The way I see it right now, the mini is better than the SKS in every way. Higher muzzle velocity, only just slightly lower damage, higher magazine capacity, is 5.56, seems more common, much easier to mod out etc.. all this puts camp SKS in a pretty bad place. Therefore, here's some thoughts on potential balance between the two. Share your thoughts:

Mini changes:
-Reduce default magazine size to 15
-Built in flash hider

SKS changes:
-Increase default magazine to 15, extended to 30
-Increase damage slightly (able to 1-shot lvl 1 helmet, still unable to 1-shot lvl 2)

Train of thought: slight changes that give slightly more variation between the rifles. SKS gets more damage and can be supressed while having to deal with the higher recoil, while the mini stays relatively unchanged, but can no longer be supressed.

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Messaggio originale di lataf:

Haven't seen a ton of discussion over this so I thought I'd start a thread. Note, I'm not rushing and saying the mini is too strong, I simply want to compare the balance between the mini and the SKS. The way I see it right now, the mini is better than the SKS in every way. Higher muzzle velocity, only just slightly lower damage, higher magazine capacity, is 5.56, seems more common, much easier to mod out etc.. all this puts camp SKS in a pretty bad place. Therefore, here's some thoughts on potential balance between the two. Share your thoughts:

Mini changes:
-Reduce default magazine size to 15
-Built in flash hider

SKS changes:
-Increase default magazine to 15, extended to 30
-Increase damage slightly (able to 1-shot lvl 1 helmet, still unable to 1-shot lvl 2)

Train of thought: slight changes that give slightly more variation between the rifles. SKS gets more damage and can be supressed while having to deal with the higher recoil, while the mini stays relatively unchanged, but can no longer be supressed.

dude noooo sks is good as it is! only mini needs balancing

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Messaggio originale di Catmality:

Messaggio originale di lataf:

Changing rarity might help a bit, but I am not sure it's enough. What's your suggestion on a nerf? If not what I mentioned in the post. The mini balance is pretty delicate because to be useful it needs to sit exactly between the M16 and SKS.

increase recoil. the mini-14 has pretty low recoil, which would make sense for a 5.56mm rifle but in terms of balance, it should just have higher recoil.
it would also stop from people using the "my mousewheel is the fire key so i can shoot faster than a finger"

Increased recoil only does so much though. The guns velocity enough would make me want it over SKS. The gun is so easy to hit shots with. I think the SKS needs buffed if these guns are going to be balanced.

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Messaggio originale di Berosar:

Messaggio originale di lataf:

Haven't seen a ton of discussion over this so I thought I'd start a thread. Note, I'm not rushing and saying the mini is too strong, I simply want to compare the balance between the mini and the SKS. The way I see it right now, the mini is better than the SKS in every way. Higher muzzle velocity, only just slightly lower damage, higher magazine capacity, is 5.56, seems more common, much easier to mod out etc.. all this puts camp SKS in a pretty bad place. Therefore, here's some thoughts on potential balance between the two. Share your thoughts:

Mini changes:
-Reduce default magazine size to 15
-Built in flash hider

SKS changes:
-Increase default magazine to 15, extended to 30
-Increase damage slightly (able to 1-shot lvl 1 helmet, still unable to 1-shot lvl 2)

Train of thought: slight changes that give slightly more variation between the rifles. SKS gets more damage and can be supressed while having to deal with the higher recoil, while the mini stays relatively unchanged, but can no longer be supressed.

dude noooo sks is good as it is! only mini needs balancing

Okay, and how would you like to see this balanced? It's a discussion.

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Messaggio originale di lataf:

Messaggio originale di Ecru Tether:

Mini has real poor damage but of course, Lotta people are immediately like "NERF IT" XD

I'm not calling for nerfs because it's "aghghhhh poop" I just think they need to strike a balance between the SKS and mini. The SKS is not a very valuable option in the game right now it seems.

I'll take an Sks over a mini because it takes less shots. but I still adore finding one if I can.

[Szudof]

Mini. Good out of the box, doesn't need any attachments. When you shoot stock sks, recoil makes you look at the sky every shot. :f

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Messaggio originale di Ecru Tether:

Messaggio originale di lataf:

I'm not calling for nerfs because it's "aghghhhh poop" I just think they need to strike a balance between the SKS and mini. The SKS is not a very valuable option in the game right now it seems.

I'll take an Sks over a mini because it takes less shots. but I still adore finding one if I can.

I suppose. I have used both in quite a few games since the update went live. For me, there were no situations with the mini that I thought would be better with an SKS. When I had the SKS and was dealing with recoil, or low muzzle velocity, I wished i had the mini. Anecdotal but man, the SKS might take one less shot but it's a lot more effort to hit those shots.

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Messaggio originale di Szudof:

Mini. Good out of the box, doesn't need any attachments. When you shoot stock sks, recoil makes you look at the sky every shot. :f

Yes, I agree that the gun is far easier to use. Balancing the two is very hard though.

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Messaggio originale di lataf:

Yes, I agree that the gun is far easier to use. Balancing the two is very hard though.

it's not - make mini require attachments too to be usefull and nerf recoil just a bit. Problem solved.
SKS is a monster in right hands, Mini-14 is dangerous in hands of anybody that have a scope.

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Messaggio originale di McCreep:

Messaggio originale di lataf:

Yes, I agree that the gun is far easier to use. Balancing the two is very hard though.

it's not - make mini require attachments too to be usefull and nerf recoil just a bit. Problem solved.
SKS is a monster in right hands, Mini-14 is dangerous in hands of anybody that have a scope.

You are only thinking in one direction though. If you make mini just as hard to mod out as the SKS and make it's recoil high enough to the point where an unmodded SKS is better than a mini, which for your suggestions to work would need to happen.. then people would just use the SKS or M16. The weapon becomes far less useful.

[ham]

look mini doesn't need nerf or buff, it is were it should be.

it only proves how wrong they are about the sks, and espically about the sks with foregrip.

SKS's recoil is way off. but sks's bar needs to be brought back to patch 1/2 of early access, there was one patch before the foregrip and the sks felt really close, now with foregrip it is garabage recoil, it is like they act the modern tan sks doesnt have a damper buffer inside the stock stock.

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Messaggio originale di hamjam:

look mini doesn't need nerf or buff, it is were it should be.

it only proves how wrong they are about the sks, and espically about the sks with foregrip.

SKS's recoil is way off. but sks's bar needs to be brought back to patch 1/2 of early access, there was one patch before the foregrip and the sks felt really close, now with foregrip it is garabage recoil, it is like they act the modern tan sks doesnt have a damper buffer inside the stock stock.

I tend to agree more with this train of thought. The mini may need slight changes, but the SKS needs buffs. Right now it is so hard to use in comparison to the mini. I thought damage, you thought recoil. Though I don't remember this patch where the SKS felt considerably better. If they reduced the recoil on the SKS it might prove to be more useful, as landing follow up shots to actually take advantage of the slightly higher damage would be easier.

[ham]

@Iataf yea I was refering to an early early patch in the game, basically beginning of PUBG EA, the sks felt pretty darn good in terms of dmg and accurate recoil.

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Messaggio originale di lataf:

Messaggio originale di McCreep:

it's not - make mini require attachments too to be usefull and nerf recoil just a bit. Problem solved.
SKS is a monster in right hands, Mini-14 is dangerous in hands of anybody that have a scope.

You are only thinking in one direction though. If you make mini just as hard to mod out as the SKS and make it's recoil high enough to the point where an unmodded SKS is better than a mini, which for your suggestions to work would need to happen.. then people would just use the SKS or M16. The weapon becomes far less useful.

Yes and no.
Making Mini-14 requiring more attachments is a yes.
But I never said to make it's recoil high enough to the point where unmodded SKS is better. SKS should have worse recoil always as it shoots higher caliber bullets. Tho, the recoil of current Mini-14 is almost non-existent. Make it a bit higher, similar to M16A4.

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Messaggio originale di McCreep:

Messaggio originale di lataf:

You are only thinking in one direction though. If you make mini just as hard to mod out as the SKS and make it's recoil high enough to the point where an unmodded SKS is better than a mini, which for your suggestions to work would need to happen.. then people would just use the SKS or M16. The weapon becomes far less useful.

Yes and no.
Making Mini-14 requiring more attachments is a yes.
But I never said to make it's recoil high enough to the point where unmodded SKS is better. SKS should have worse recoil always as it shoots higher caliber bullets. Tho, the recoil of current Mini-14 is almost non-existent. Make it a bit higher, similar to M16A4.

Agreed that SKS should have higher recoil, what I am saying is your solution does not really solve the problem though. Why would anyone take the SKS in this situation? It still has higher recoil, and still takes just as long to mod out. See what I am saying? There would be little to no incentive to choose the SKS over the mini. I think most people would agree that M16 has very little recoil as it is, and far less than the SKS. You need to buff the SKS to make this work. There has to be incentive to take it. Such as 1 shotting level 1 helmets.