Suing over the use of a frying pan?!

[Snake3yes]

So since when is the frying pan a PUBG creation?! I read on the news feed one of the things the devs are suing over is the use of the frying pan...if that is indeed the case, then as far as I'm concerned Valve is the devs responsible for making the frying pan what it is in gaming, first with L4D2 then bringing it to TF2 as a promotional item which was elevated to holy grail stature with the Golden Frying Pan that was only obtainable by completing MVM tours. With that said though, using a frying pan as a weapon is NOT unique to PUBG nor was it the first game to even do so...doesn't make sense to include that in a lawsuit.

[Bin Chicken]

it was a weapon in the original fable too, got it after a series of clues spread throught the entire game.

[Snake3yes]

Yeah, i think I remember using a frying pan in the Postal games too...but it really gained legendary status after TF2 came out with the Golden Frying Pan...i mean my gosh, that thing still sells for $2k even after 5 years.

[Speedbump]

It's likely because they're using the same model or something. The frying pan in general can't be copyrighted. That's like saying since x game has chairs in it, no other game is allowed to have chairs in them.

[Snake3yes]

Originally posted by Mason Hunter:

It's likely because they're using the same model or something. The frying pan in general can't be copyrighted. That's like saying since x game has chairs in it, no other game is allowed to have chairs in them.

But the thing is, that's pretty much exactly what the devs are claiming in their lawsuit along with features that have been in other FPS long before PUBG was even a thought...like I remember reviving fallen teammates in early CoD games like WaW and MW, both in co-op missions and online multiplayer with the second chance perk.

"The lawsuit, as spotted by Ars Technica, contains a long and detailed rundown of all the elements that make up Playerunknown’s Battlegrounds. But it includes the air jump, parachuting into the play area, the map of Erangel, reviving fallen team mates, the “boost” meter, and players’ ability to run around like an eejit in the pre-game lobby, among other features. According to the lawsuit, filed in the Northern District of California, “The total look and feel of Battlegrounds constitutes copyrightable subject matter.”

“One very beloved aspect of creative expression in Battlegrounds is the game’s iconic frying pan,” reads the claim. “Previous shooter games did not include the use of a frying pan… the imaginative treatment of a frying pan as a melee weapon is made even more remarkable by its further treatment as armor against shots to the butt of a character.”

Playerunknown’s Battlegrounds creators sue mobile games for copyright infringement and frying pan use

[Megarboh]

Originally posted by Snake3yes:

Originally posted by Mason Hunter:

It's likely because they're using the same model or something. The frying pan in general can't be copyrighted. That's like saying since x game has chairs in it, no other game is allowed to have chairs in them.

But the thing is, that's pretty much exactly what the devs are claiming in their lawsuit along with features that have been in other FPS long before PUBG was even a thought...like I remember reviving fallen teammates in early CoD games like WaW and MW, both in co-op missions and online multiplayer with the second chance perk.

"The lawsuit, as spotted by Ars Technica, contains a long and detailed rundown of all the elements that make up Playerunknown’s Battlegrounds. But it includes the air jump, parachuting into the play area, the map of Erangel, reviving fallen team mates, the “boost” meter, and players’ ability to run around like an eejit in the pre-game lobby, among other features. According to the lawsuit, filed in the Northern District of California, “The total look and feel of Battlegrounds constitutes copyrightable subject matter.”

“One very beloved aspect of creative expression in Battlegrounds is the game’s iconic frying pan,” reads the claim. “Previous shooter games did not include the use of a frying pan… the imaginative treatment of a frying pan as a melee weapon is made even more remarkable by its further treatment as armor against shots to the butt of a character.”

Playerunknown’s Battlegrounds creators sue mobile games for copyright infringement and frying pan use

I thought tf2 already had an iconic frying pan like 5+ years ago

[Snake3yes]

Yep, as a long time TF2 player who recently picked up playing PUBG a few months ago...when I read their comments on the flying pan as a melee weapon being that "previous shooter games did not include the use of a frying pan" and was their "imaginative treatment", it caught my attention. As was mentioned in previous comments, the frying pan as a melee weapon has been used in other games but certainly made iconic by TF2... Would love to see Valve's response to that asinine statement from the PUBG devs.

[Cali Ghost]

Bluehole is just a small greedy company full of opportunists. Can't really blame them for wanting to make a few bucks on the side. It's not like they're suing you though so why do you care so much?

[Toxickej Prasodlak]

They are south Koreans morons.. what do you expect

[Cali Ghost]

Originally posted by 陀螺儀:

They are south Koreans morons.. what do you expect

What the hell is that even supposed to mean?

[Snake3yes]

Originally posted by Aconite:

Bluehole is just a small greedy company full of opportunists. Can't really blame them for wanting to make a few bucks on the side. It's not like they're suing you though so why do you care so much?

Well I think my last post answered that question as to why I care...can't stand frauds, lairs, and people who claim credit for something they didn't create. Again, as a long time TF2 player with 3500+ hours in TF2, it along with other shooter games like L4D2 and Postal used the frying pan as a melee weapon. However it was with the introduction of the Golden Frying Pan in TF2 when the frying pan as a melee weapon gained legendary status, when you kill someone with it they turn into a statue of gold. The thing even to this day, over 5 years since it's introduction sells for $2k easy.

I also care as a gamer who has played games years ago with some of the other aspects that the PUBG creators claim they should have copyrights to, like reviving fallen teammates or parachuting into playzones. Gamers should feel insulted by such assertions, but I guess PUBG and Bluehole will have it's brainwashed supporters regardless of what they do. However I see such lawsuits as destructive to the game industry, can only hope their attempt to copyright things that aren't originally their concepts fails miserably.

[Bogged]

Originally posted by Mason Hunter:

It's likely because they're using the same model or something. The frying pan in general can't be copyrighted. That's like saying since x game has chairs in it, no other game is allowed to have chairs in them.

Its not an asset flip, the pubg has 2 side thingies while ROS doesnt, you would get it if you looked at the models side by side

[CB]

Looks like you've finally learnt that the PUBG devs literally have mental disabilities! Welcome to the smart side.

[bradams]

Look at it in the light of the perfect money wheel they currently have going though. They get money for selling their game to someone, then on top of that sell a different pay-to-open lootbox every month to keep steam prices on them high, which then encourages people to hack as it is easy to make a profit to sell that months special lootboxes, and then banning that person after they have doubled their "investment" on the game and hacks, so that person will buy another copy of the game and repeat the cycle. In my oppenion, them going out and filing lawsuits over crap they claim they invented is pretty much right on par with their current buisness practice as is, so this doesnt surprise me one bit. After all, these are games that threaten to take buisness away from their money-making hampster wheel.

[Jackie Daytona]

Originally posted by Snake3yes:

So since when is the frying pan a PUBG creation?!

They aren't suing over a frying pan. You are misinformed.

Originally posted by Snake3yes:

With that said though, using a frying pan as a weapon is NOT unique to PUBG nor was it the first game to even do so...doesn't make sense to include that in a lawsuit.

True, it is not unique to PUBG. It is, however, part of PUBG. So it makes perfect sense to include in the lawsuit.

This is a case about intellectual property theft. In such cases, you have to prove that your copyright was infringed upon. To do so, you have to present similarities between your product, and that which you claim violates your intellectual property rights.

You can't just say, "This is clearly the same game". You have to point out different aspects. This is how court works. You have to prove it to the court. You can't do that without evidence. You can't do that without showing similarities. The frying pan was just one of MANY things pointed out to be similar.

You've been suckered by click-bait headlines that obfuscate the truth. This is about a Chinese company (NetEase) doing what Chinese companies do: Stealing IPs, repackaging them, and then selling them as their own product.

[Mr C]

Bluewaffle is suing over something they didn't even bring to gaming? i gotta SEE this ♥♥♥♥.. Bluewaffle is such trash, they got the idea from the ARMA 3 mod.