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[ZeroDeluxe]

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[NUTMILK]

ZeroDeluxe původně napsal:

The entire thing looks like another attempt at a Cash grab for PUBG Corp/Bluehole when you consider


*They hold no claim over level design or if any of the mobile developers who used the exact same assets

*The majority of the games assets were purchased from a website called cgtrader.com
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/industrial/brick-hangar.
On a single license that PUBG Corp only has the usage rights for they do NOT and CANNOT own a copywrite or trademark on.
(Yes you can buy about 80% of the games building and models)

*They hold no claim over the use of Pans
Heres a list of 130 games that use frying pans as weapons. Most of which released before PUBG
Including TF2
https://www.giantbomb.com/frying-pan/3055-508/games/

They Hold no claim over resurrecting downed teamates.
as many games that had this type of mechanic such as L4D (Left For Dead) 1 & 2 years earlier.

You cannot copywrite or trademark a russian military helmet. Especially when you had no hand in its original design. https://grey-shop.ru/index.php?_route_=helmets

They hold no Claim, copywrite, or legitimate trademark to the rights over Battle Royal game modes. Including shrinking playzones which also existed in dozens of games prior to PUBG existing.

They Hold no claim over the UI Design Similarities, everygame since Wolfstien / Doom in the 1990s and Zelda for the original 1980s nintendos has had similarities that cannot be copywritten or protected.

None of the mobile developers as far as I have looked that are being sued have attempted to trick or scam players into thinking that the game they produced was PUBG. Preventing the only glimmer of hope they had at a legitimate copywrite infringment. case.

Link to the original court documents.
https://torrentfreak.com/images/pubgneteasecomplaint.pdf

If you read the specifics of the lawsuit pretty much PUBG/Brennan/Bluehole see it as if you make a combat shooter game, your violating their copywrite. Utterly Frivolous litigation THEY EVEN CLAIM THEY OWN THE RIGHTS to the AWM!!!! You know they one they took directly from CS:GO

Disclaimer, This is a personal opinion not legal advice or council.

Updated......
To play Devils advocate on myself, I'd like to provide alternate reasons why the lawsuit may have been filed. Theis video has some insights on why PUBG and other developers may have been legally required to sue smaller companies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XQdPGV1AJU

actually it is not just about the frying pan thing i played ros as one of those games and i guarantee to you the they really copied pubg.and after the vaulting implemented in pubg few weeks later ros release a vaulting effect without even a notice.even the chicken dinner song if you win.they just change some weapon and skins and the buttons also copied nevertheless they completely stole ideas.

[ZeroDeluxe]

Sounds like the guys at ros are better at game programming than the guys at bluehole. Its nearly impossible to decrypt the encyrpted and packed unreal engine blueprints so they would have had to design and code their own version of parkour/vaulting but, you cannot copywrite that. Just like you can't copywrite the jumping or sprinting. So unless they stole the gamecode, which they are not accusing ros of doing in the court document there is no valid copywrite claim.

In fact I believe Valve was the first to use a weaponized frying pan in TF2, the first to introduce sprinting in an FPS in the original Half life, the first to impliment extremely high powered one shot kill weapon AWM/AWP in CSGO and TF2, the first to have a revive ability for fps teamates in a shooter in Left for Dead. So with that in mind, based on the lawsuits claims, PUBG in in violation of Valves copywrites....

Ohh and as a side note, the term winner winner chicken dinner has been used in casinos, and other prize events for more than 75 years first recorded in the 1930s and popularized more recently by the movie 21, its also not copywritable.

Yes the games are similar but, that doesn't mean copywrite infringment.

Let me put it into refference, Devil May Cry, and God of War are nearly the exact same game. Down to using the same kinds and even button combos for moves in regular and extreme mode gameplay formats and weapon types. The only difference between the games is the story itself and the models and game assets.

Its almost certainly Frivolous litigation most likely suggested by a lawyer at bluehole because he wanted to buy a boat on his billable hours. They arent the first and wont be the last company to fall for this "If you don't file you could lose your copywrite nonsense" As refferenced in the video I posted. The final part is they are seeking 130,000$ usd per infraction, from my rough estimate they are sueing for about 2.9 billion $ ..... lol

[GnomeDompski]

http://www.game-debate.com/news/24865/pubg-corp-suing-creators-of-battle-royale-games-knives-out-and-rules-of-survival

Take a look at the comparison pics and you will see they didn't just use the same assests, but they used the same assets in the same way to clearly make a copy cat game. I still think PUBG will lose in the end. It could very well be them trying to keep any future claim and maybe to scare off future copy cats. Who wants to willingly get sued by Bluehole by trying to remake the game? At the least others will make it different enough to avoid the threat of a lawsuit.

[Lieutenant Lorence]

Player(1) původně napsal:

1: Everyone has the right to protect their property so also Bluehole.
2: You do not know any details concerning this so called law suit. Mean while you act like you know everything.
3: Why do you even care?
4. They use the justice/law system which is there to make clear lines with what can be allowed and not, why do you call this bad?

Edit: If they would earn money with this law suit then this means they are in their rights by law, whats wrong with that?

i like how the games that are copying pubg are actually getting some attention. I want someone to show bluehole how to make a game!

[MonkehMaster]

Mr Biscuits původně napsal:

They blatently stole the Game form H1Z1 KOTK

brendan greene created that mod for h1z1, learn something.

[ZeroDeluxe]

I'd also like to note that ROS has the ability to run up to 300 players per match, something pubg doesn't.

[Smithy]

Based on my understanding of how copyright works they can sue a game based on how closely it imitates their game which is what they do hold copyright for.

Say you have a company logo which uses squares and dots. That company doesn't own copyright for all squares and all dots. But they do own a copyright for squares and dots placed in that particular way with those particular colours etc. If anybody imitates that they can potentially then be sued for copyright infringement.

Still, it is sad that they throw money at everything other than improving the game.

[Player(1)]

GnomeDompski původně napsal:

http://www.game-debate.com/news/24865/pubg-corp-suing-creators-of-battle-royale-games-knives-out-and-rules-of-survival

Take a look at the comparison pics and you will see they didn't just use the same assests, but they used the same assets in the same way to clearly make a copy cat game. I still think PUBG will lose in the end. It could very well be them trying to keep any future claim and maybe to scare off future copy cats. Who wants to willingly get sued by Bluehole by trying to remake the game? At the least others will make it different enough to avoid the threat of a lawsuit.

Lawsuit is about more then the looks also mechanics and how they market themself.

For example they advertizes themself with features from pubg which arent in their own game. They also copied several key elements which make pubg, pubg.

Not saying they will win but its about more then just some visual cloning and the pan as some claim here.

[GnomeDompski]

ZeroDeluxe05 původně napsal:

They didnt use the same asset though, you can clearly see the models for character, weapons, textures, enviroments and, animations are different than what is in pubg.

While what you mentioned are assets, they aren't the only things that are being considered an asset here. Check out the court documents link in the OP to see everything that PUBG is claiming as assets in this case. Starting on page 36 will show you just how close they made their game to PUBG, while above that is plenty of talk on the assets they feel are being copied.

I don't think PUBG will win the case, but it is going to be interesting to see NetEase explain the crazy amount of similar content along with advertising the game using stuff that doesn't appear in their game while appearing in PUBG.

[CB]

They've earned so much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ money and they feel the need to scam more money off of people. Absolutely shameful.

[Smithy]

ZeroDeluxe05 původně napsal:

@smithy Well thats true with individual graphics but that kind of copywrite doesn't apply to Game design.
Its a strange place, but Lets say I put a realistic birch tree in a game, that doesn't open me up for copywrite infringement because you cant copywrite a tree. To be in a violation I would have to have used someone else model and textures without license or permission to be in a copywrite violation. Just because it has guns cars and planes doesn't make it infringment, though often greedy lawyers will suggest this kind of lawsuit to companies under the guise of copywrite protection. 90% of the time they lose the lawsuits, but in doing so "protected thier copywrite." because if you fail to protect or fail to attempt to protect your copywrite you sometimes waive your copywrite leaving the entire intellectual property up for grabs to anyone without consequence.

It isn't just about intellectual property though. Sure, if Bluehole owned the rights to models which somebody else used then they would be able to sue them. But then consider if somebody else made an exact replica of PUBG using models which were only slightly different. They would still be open to a lawsuit because they basically produced the same game.

What I'm saying is that copyright protects you from imitations as well as exact replica's. If you are imitating copyrighted work to a good enough extent then you're infringing copyright. It's up to the judge whether or not they have made their own original game or whether they have copied PUBG and they make that decision based on how similar the games are, not just based on object models etc.

[ZeroDeluxe]

@smithy well about 95% of the lawsuit seems to be focused on claiming they own copywrite on the use of non copywritable gameplay modes and assets. Similarity does not validate a copywrite claim on a videogame unfortunatly that only applies to patents. There is also a parody clause that allows for similarities in products such as the movie spaceballs being a spoof of starwars. This applies to all spoof movies as well. There were clear similarities between the two movies characters costumes and designs all the way down to the movie plot. Yet no copywrite infringment could be claimed.

Most likely it'l be dismissed by the judge with prejudice and bluehole/pubg corp/ brennan will be financially liable for damages to ROS and other games they sue. Hence why large companies rarely file this kind of Frivolous lawsuits.

[Dongkikz]

Guys lets be honest. PUBG devs are scared of this game not lasting long enough to survive. Facts: R.O.S. and FORTNITE is FREE can be played in Mobile and LowRes Computers, same content, same level of fun ! and has attraceted more players and more friends to play together - lets be honest its what's going on.... A great example of LowRes games that became long surviving and upgraded is Starcraft now Starcraft II ;Warcraft DOTA1 now DOTA2 - Counter-Strike now CSGO and more etc. ; (enjoyed solo, skirmish and enjoyed with friends for FREE)

Recommendation for this game not to die eary: MAKE THIS GAME PLAYABLE ATLEAST AT MINIMUM RESOLUTIONS AND SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS - Why FORTNITE and ROS can run smoothly with less System Requirements required ???

Anyways all have fun.

[Smithy]

ZeroDeluxe05 původně napsal:

@smithy well about 95% of the lawsuit seems to be focused on claiming they own copywrite on the use of non copywritable gameplay modes and assets. Similarity does not validate a copywrite claim on a videogame unfortunatly that only applies to patents. There is also a parody clause that allows for simularities in products such as the movie spaceballs being a spoof of starwars. There were clear similarities between the two movies characters costumes and designs down the even the movie plot. Yet no copywrite infringment could be claimed.

As you said Spaceballs is a spoof rather than an imitation. It's only similar for the sake of satire and different enough for it to be its own thing.

An example of a game imitation would be Heroes of Warfare which is a mobile replica of Overwatch. Blizzard sued them back in 2017 based on it being a game clone even though they didn't technically use any of the same models.

[Marksman Max]

ZeroDeluxe05 původně napsal:

The entire thing looks like another attempt at a Cash grab for PUBG Corp/Bluehole when you consider


*They hold no claim over level design or if any of the mobile developers who used the exact same assets

*The majority of the games assets were purchased from a website called cgtrader.com
https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/industrial/brick-hangar.
On a single license that PUBG Corp only has the usage rights for they do NOT and CANNOT own a copywrite or trademark on.
(Yes you can buy about 80% of the games building and models)

*They hold no claim over the use of Pans
Heres a list of 130 games that use frying pans as weapons. Most of which released before PUBG
Including TF2
https://www.giantbomb.com/frying-pan/3055-508/games/

They Hold no claim over resurrecting downed teamates.
as many games that had this type of mechanic such as L4D (Left For Dead) 1 & 2 years earlier.

You cannot copywrite or trademark a russian military helmet. Especially when you had no hand in its original design. https://grey-shop.ru/index.php?_route_=helmets

They hold no Claim, copywrite, or legitimate trademark to the rights over Battle Royal game modes. Including shrinking playzones which also existed in dozens of games prior to PUBG existing.

They Hold no claim over the UI Design Similarities, everygame since Wolfstien / Doom in the 1990s and Zelda for the original 1980s nintendos has had similarities that cannot be copywritten or protected.

None of the mobile developers as far as I have looked that are being sued have attempted to trick or scam players into thinking that the game they produced was PUBG. Preventing the only glimmer of hope they had at a legitimate copywrite infringment. case.

Link to the original court documents.
https://torrentfreak.com/images/pubgneteasecomplaint.pdf

If you read the specifics of the lawsuit pretty much PUBG/Brennan/Bluehole see it as if you make a combat shooter game, your violating their copywrite. Utterly Frivolous litigation THEY EVEN CLAIM THEY OWN THE RIGHTS to the AWM!!!! You know they one they took directly from CS:GO

Disclaimer, This is a personal opinion not legal advice or council.

Updated......
To play Devils advocate on myself, I'd like to provide alternate reasons why the lawsuit may have been filed. This video has some insights on why PUBG and other developers may have been legally required to sue smaller companies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XQdPGV1AJU

I don't know what you're smoking. These mobile games are legit PUBG ripoffs.