Stream bans and loot boxes

[PoizenJam]

I've been considering this game for a long time now. Really intrigued by a Battle Royale style game. But I have two reservations.

For one, the fact people can get banned for ticking off streamers bugs me. I've never watched streamers, and I don't even have a Twitch account. Yet I've heard of people in my situation getting banned from online play and having very little recourse. How horrible is this problem actually? Because I definitely won't bother without a dispute mechanism for bans.

Secondly, how pervasive are the loot boxes? I feel they're a cancer on modern gaming, and I really do not want to patronize games that push this garbage trend. What kind of things are in loot boxes? And please, a more substantive answer than 'it's just cosmetic!' would be appreciated.

[PoizenJam]

Автор сообщения: Weiner

you can also earn these cratess FOR FREE you dont need to buy anything (unless another crate comes out for which you need a key for)

This makes it better- though is it one of those 'it will literally take years to grind the equivalent of what you could buy for $2' situations? Like Gunbound (if that game rings a bell to anyone today)?

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Автор сообщения: JVNO

Автор сообщения: Weiner

you can also earn these cratess FOR FREE you dont need to buy anything (unless another crate comes out for which you need a key for)

This makes it better- though is it one of those 'it will literally take years to grind the equivalent of what you could buy for $2' situations? Like Gunbound (if that game rings a bell to anyone today)?

Well the actual crates are still bought by in game currency (the currency also has no rl way to buy it) and then you just buy the key to unlock the crate.
There's also no rl money crates available atm, they were just for gamecon. So they will almost certainly return in the future and most likely unlock the same way as the gamecon cases.

[PoizenJam]

'Lootcrates are free' is pretty misleading when keys require money. Kinda just splitting hairs there.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Автор сообщения: JVNO

'Lootcrates are free' is pretty misleading when keys require money. Kinda just splitting hairs there.

Not sure who that reply was for, but i'll take a swing at answering anyway.
There were 2 (technically 3) types of crates.
the gamescon crate that you got with BP then spent real money to unlock
then the 'free' crates that you unlocked with BP and got one of two types. these require no extra purchase

So technically there's no "free" crate because they all need BP which requires time to be put in. But there are crates that are free in terms of real money.

[Straight Up Chill]

Автор сообщения: JVNO

You'll sure as hell pay a lot more for that complete outfit gambling on loot crates than you would have if they just had a store where you could buy the pieces outright.

You realize there IS a store where you can buy things right? So far the items I've gotten have a combined value of over $900 currently .. I could sell them on the steam market and get over 30x what I paid for the game. I'm not losing any money over here, people who want to buy specific items or gamble with crate chances maybe. There are plenty of pay to win, pay to play, pay to advance, pay to remove ads, pay pay pay games to get upset about, clearly you don't know how to prioritize if pubg is on your activism radar. I've been using Steam for 12 years and I have put more hours into PUBG in just a very short time than any other game. I'm having more fun with pubg than anything else right now, and getting time in is also profitable on the steam market.. I don't see what your big problem with pubg is? I think you just want a point to try and argue? Dunno.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Автор сообщения: Straight Up Chill

Автор сообщения: JVNO

You'll sure as hell pay a lot more for that complete outfit gambling on loot crates than you would have if they just had a store where you could buy the pieces outright.

You realize there IS a store where you can buy things right? So far the items I've gotten have a combined value of over $900 currently .. I could sell them on the steam market and get over 30x what I paid for the game. I'm not losing any money over here, people who want to buy specific items or gamble with crate chances maybe. There are plenty of pay to win, pay to play, pay to advance, pay to remove ads, pay pay pay games to get upset about, clearly you don't know how to prioritize if pubg is on your activism radar.

I'm mostly in favour of the crates, but just got to say that the steam market is in no way the same as if Bluehole sold the items themselves.
Can you imagine the ♥♥♥♥ storm in these forums and every forum out there if Bluehole came out and said we could buy a miniskirt from them but it costs $150 or w/e it was?

Obviously the steam market is better for people willing to gamble on getting those high end items that people will for some reason spend far too much for.

[Straight Up Chill]

Most of the people playing pubg are doing so because they enjoy it, for hundreds to thousands of hours. I'm not sure how many hours of entertainment people expect from a $30 product, but that's up to them and imo pubg delivers. With pubg the only microtransactions are cosmetics which you can also pick up in-game. I've found several interesting outfits in the world and on bodies of fallen foes, but as I said before the most tactical choice seems to be not wearing any clothes.

What I see on the forums are people on a witch hunt or responding to disinfo and loads of complaining about an unfinished product, lol. For some people pubg is well worth the $30 price tag in its current state, for others I dunno.. I guess just wait until there's better hit detection, more maps and content, vaulting, etc. or go play something else?

[k1ska]

Автор сообщения: carana26

Автор сообщения: k1ska™

You fail to understand that you have nothing to fear if you don't participate in the practice of actively leaving and rejoining lobbies in order to find a target to hunt solely for their being. You seem to be of the understanding that you may just be banned for being around a streamer, honking near a streamer, or killing a streamer and that's further from the truth.

what you and a handful of others fail to understand ( or even acknowledge ) is the game is less than stable ( as is any EA game ) as are peoples connects to the servers ( be that on their side or the server side ) and thus it is entirely possible and normal to have multiple ( which is how many btw 2 ? 20 ? ) connection attempts show up on your logs.

but hey, don't let that stop you from assumption based statements ( anyone connecting multiple times must be doing so to cheat or harass others ) just like the devs make. Dev's themselves even admit it's a less than ideal way to try and police it, have said it's a temporary measure and they have an appeals process in place because of the very real risk of having a misfire ban.

some nights i've had the game run flawlessly, others i've had as many as 4 consequtive connection attempts before i've managed to hold in a round, i dread the propect of killing a streamer, his resultant whine drawing the ire of his veiwers, and the very likely ban that will follow.

dev's have said over a month ago now that they were going to improve the systems ( possibly to prevent the ease of stream sniping in the first place would be best ) and that still hasn't been done or mentioned since.

Some simple changes ( to actually prevent it ) , and removal of the flawed ban system till the changes are done, would do a huge amount to improve and repair the games reputation.

Whether you want to accept it or not, the system in place currently is flawed, and presents a very real risk of a misfire, which is then creating the vibe that it favours streamers over regular players, but hey don't let facts stop you from passively accusing anyone who is banned or speaking out about the potential bans of cheating.

How can you even type a response as long as that and have so little to say? They DO look at logs, and they have mentioned making and improving a system that automatically detects people who are abusing the system. Typical players, even while lagging or having any other issues, will not join and leave lobbies a half a dozen time in a minute or two no matter what they're doing. 99% of the time, a person who is doing that is aiming for a target. As I've said, you are NOT going to be banned unless you hit these parameters. You and other foolish players are under the assumption that any interaction with a streamer will get you banned and that's just flat out wrong. To believe that is to be an idiot.

Also, I never once said anyone who is banned is cheating. You will not get a game ban (as notified on your steam profile) for stream sniping. That ban is only temporary. The only way you will get a game ban is if you're caught using third-party tools to enhance your gameplay. How hard is it to understand that stream sniping and bug abuse bans are not the same as cheating bans?

But hey, don't let your biased outlook be changed by rational thought.

[Pixxl]

Автор сообщения: monkehmaster

Автор сообщения: Pixxl

Says you, the guy with nothing better to do than troll a thread you disagree with.

Some ppl don't like loot box microtransaction greed.

Suck it up snowflake & deal with it.

*****

greed? LOL your not foced to buy them and there nothing but cosmetics that dont effect the game.

i think your just a complainer looking for anything to complain about.

Aesthetics are part of the game if they're meaningless there would be no interest in selling or buying them. Yet there is precisely because the game feels at a deficit without them. It's part of the experience.

Can I sell you a ticket to a movie without a chair? You don't need it after all. Standing is perfectly acceptable or are you just going to look for something to whine about?

I think you're just a PR troll that's too soft in the head to question much of anything.

[k1ska]

Автор сообщения: Pixxl

Автор сообщения: monkehmaster

greed? LOL your not foced to buy them and there nothing but cosmetics that dont effect the game.

i think your just a complainer looking for anything to complain about.

Aesthetics are part of the game if they're meaningless there would be no interest in selling or buying them. Yet there is precisely because the game feels at a deficit without them. It's part of the experience.

Can I sell you a ticket to a movie without a chair? You don't need it after all. Standing is perfectly acceptable or are you just going to look for something to whine about?

I think you're just a PR troll that's too soft in the head to question much of anything.

Your analogy is completely asinine. Player customization is cool and all but it's not really important and has no impact on the core game itself. Going to a theater and standing there instead of sitting is nothing close to playing a game and not getting different clothing. You see, the game would be doing just fine without clothing options because the gameplay is fun and thrilling. No one would buy a ticket to a movie if they have to stand there for 120 minutes.

Also, just because there's interest in something doesn't mean it's important. "It's part of the experience!" Nah, it's there only to differentiate you from the millions of other players. The only people who think it's important are the idiots who are likely to buy the ♥♥♥♥. It's a lot like CS:GO skins. No impact on the game and the only people who care are the idiots with holes in their wallets.

[Straight Up Chill]

Or hey, maybe they all want to force a monthly subscription fee instead, in which case.. I propose that the whiners and complainers should get a perma dunce cap on their characters as their only cosmetic, to complete the experience.. since the game is at a mental deficit with them as part of the playerbase.