PUBG: BATTLEGROUNDS

PUBG: BATTLEGROUNDS

Ver estadísticas:
PoizenJam 28 AGO 2017 a las 6:37 a. m.
Stream bans and loot boxes
I've been considering this game for a long time now. Really intrigued by a Battle Royale style game. But I have two reservations.

For one, the fact people can get banned for ticking off streamers bugs me. I've never watched streamers, and I don't even have a Twitch account. Yet I've heard of people in my situation getting banned from online play and having very little recourse. How horrible is this problem actually? Because I definitely won't bother without a dispute mechanism for bans.

Secondly, how pervasive are the loot boxes? I feel they're a cancer on modern gaming, and I really do not want to patronize games that push this garbage trend. What kind of things are in loot boxes? And please, a more substantive answer than 'it's just cosmetic!' would be appreciated.
< >
Mostrando 91-105 de 131 comentarios
DizShiz 29 AGO 2017 a las 10:06 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por JVNO:
Also, that loot crates are 'just cosmetic' doesn't change the fact it's exploitative game design just like season passes, microtransactions, and in game currency. I reserve the right not to patronize a game I feel implements such features in a cheap or undeserved fashion. I've been playing PC games since the mid-90s, so when I see additional content held behind a paywall I generally expect it to be a reasonable expansion pack.

This games not for you Bro ...K thankx Bye .
Bobson Dugnutt 29 AGO 2017 a las 11:55 p. m. 
The reason I refered to them as BS side discussions is because they are just side discussions when the original question is "Do they ban people just for killing or honking near a streamer". Whether it's right or wrong to ban people for stream sniping and honking or if it counts as cheating doesn't actually go into answering the first question, hence i refer to them as side discussions in this instance.

But once again you go back to saying that the rule is being abused yet we have not seen it actually abused at all yet.
Streamers crying about every time they die being because of a stream sniper does not equal every person that kills a stream sniper getting banned. I'm sure there are plenty of streamers that wish they could abuse the rule and get plenty more people banned, but we're lucky that Bluehole are the ones who decide who gets banned and so far we have no evidence that they are banning people who are innocent.
If that changes and they start abusing the rule and banning people just for interacting with a streamer then i will join you in decrying Blueholes decision. But at this time you are taking a stance against something that has yet to happen and by all accounts doesn't seem likely to happen.

I would believe you were fighting for all gamers if innocent people were getting banned just because of random unintentional interactions with streamers and i would be on your side then. But since that's not the case then to me you seem to only be fighting against streamers, not wanting them to have the same rules protected freedom from being cheated against and harassed.
And if i come accross as some lover of streamers then it is only in poor choice of wording, there are many issues with some streamers who do feel like they should get better treatment than other players. But those are the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you find in every group and unfortunately no matter how much of a ♥♥♥♥ they could be they should still have the same rules protecting them as everyone else.
Bobson Dugnutt 30 AGO 2017 a las 12:29 a. m. 
There are several arguments that are had over this whole issue.
Should you be banned for stream sniping?
Is stream sniping cheating?
Is stream honking harassment?

But this discussion started with the simple question of whether they ban just for killing or honking near a streamer.
So for THIS discussion, everything else is a side discussion. Doesn't diminish their importance or need to be discussed in the overall stream sniper debate but a simple question should have a simple answer. In this case no. Then in other discussions the side discussions here may be the main discussion or you may need to fully discuss two or more of the issues.
Straight Up Chill 30 AGO 2017 a las 12:44 a. m. 
It's more likely for Steam servers to go down and you lose out on all your gaming investments than it is for you to be one of these non-existant unjustified ban victims.. if you're that paranoid and worried about your $30 investment, hang on to it.. as the servers could go down 2 hours after you purchase the game.. and not come back up. Keep that $30 then.. if your luck is that bad and you expect it to be, don't go outside cause you might get hit by lightning. But OMG the number of people who want to tell everyone it isn't worth it to go outside cause they heard some liar claim that lightning strikes are the norm and very likely to happen to them. Okay then, stay indoors, keep your $30 and be terrified of the potential of an EMP or lightning strike, things FAR more likely to happen than being falsely banned from PUBG if you're abiding by rules of conduct. I'm more likely to have a brain aneurism while reading some of these repeat "on the fence" posts broadcasting their "concerns" about a non-happening hypothetical situation.. but keep that $30 by all means, keep every $5 and $2 and $1 also.. if you're the kind who lives in constant fear of not getting what you invest.. no risk, no reward, no game for you.. stick with TF2, Dota 2, and Paladins in that case. But remember, the longer you spend "concerned" about whether X title is worth the cost of admission, the more time has passed that the Steam servers could have gone down in the meantime.
Última edición por Straight Up Chill; 30 AGO 2017 a las 12:59 a. m.
Bobson Dugnutt 30 AGO 2017 a las 12:58 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por KWPops:
Publicado originalmente por Alizarin Diddlon:
There are several arguments that are had over this whole issue.
Should you be banned for stream sniping?
Is stream sniping cheating?
Is stream honking harassment?

But this discussion started with the simple question of whether they ban just for killing or honking near a streamer.
So for THIS discussion, everything else is a side discussion. Doesn't diminish their importance or need to be discussed in the overall stream sniper debate but a simple question should have a simple answer. In this case no. Then in other discussions the side discussions here may be the main discussion or you may need to fully discuss two or more of the issues.


The reality is, I was not discussing stream sniping, I have always been talking about the horn issue. The fact is, they abuse their partnership and I can guarantee that there have been innocents get banned, over the horn issue and that is the problem. I'm not going to run around in circles, chaising my tail, repeating the same things that are already posted here.

I could give a ♥♥♥♥ less if they ban stream snipers, that they can actually prove are doing it. I don't care, but the horn thing is different, IMO.
That is the core of the issue of why the topic never dies. You say you can guarantee that innocent people have been banned but never has there been a post by one of these innocent players angry at Bluehole for banning them. There are only posts of people saying innocent players COULD be banned.
If the evidence comes out that Bluehole starts banning random innocent people, or that they secretly have already, for honking their horns near streamers they weren't harassing then i will do a full 180 and agree that they made terrible mistakes and that it should be fixed.
But i don't like decrying a developer for what could happen, there's far too many things that could happen. There's stuff that i think is unlikely to happen but would make me want to instantly stop playing like adding P2W crates that give weapons at the start of the match. This i'm sure some people think is just as likely as you do thinking innocent players will be banned. But in both cases i want it to actually happen before i get mad over it.
¤☣wing☢zeяo☣¤™ 30 AGO 2017 a las 1:04 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por JVNO:
Secondly, how pervasive are the loot boxes? I feel they're a cancer on modern gaming, and I really do not want to patronize games that push this garbage trend.

Actually loot boxes and in game items ect are saving the gaming industry, if it wasn't for it launch prices on a new AAA game would be £100+, and I like the way loot is changing DLC, many now are doing free DLC, maps guns ect and getting the extra of skins ect which you will only buy if your in to the game.
Straight Up Chill 30 AGO 2017 a las 1:09 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ¤☣wing☢zeяo☣¤™:
Publicado originalmente por JVNO:
Secondly, how pervasive are the loot boxes? I feel they're a cancer on modern gaming, and I really do not want to patronize games that push this garbage trend.

Actually loot boxes and in game items ect are saving the gaming industry, if it wasn't for it launch prices on a new AAA game would be £100+, and I like the way loot is changing DLC, many now are doing free DLC, maps guns ect and getting the extra of skins ect which you will only buy if your in to the game.

And a nice alternative to a monthly/yearly subscription cost to keep servers up.. plus.. like in my case, leads to profits paying multiples over the initial investment.

I am concerned about the 'gambling' aspect of things, and how now RNG crate gambling purchases seem to have fallen into a market aimed at minors, but that's a whole different subject. So far I have made over $800 from clothes on the PUBG market after around 350 hours of play. It's well been worth the initial investment in my case. I know several others who sell their crates and clothes and have now either gotten the game for free or made money off of playing it.

I guess one man's "Pervasive cancer garbage" if they can't refrain themselves (hint: don't go shopping) is another man's treasure. A game like this could probably get by with a $5 monthly or $40 annual subscription fee on release, but instead of having to pay you can simply NOT purchase items.. seems like a good deal to me.. but like the greatest offense known to man to plenty of others.
Última edición por Straight Up Chill; 30 AGO 2017 a las 1:16 a. m.
mako 30 AGO 2017 a las 2:34 a. m. 
Watch every vid of Grimmz dying, always a "hacker" or "stream sniper"
PoizenJam 30 AGO 2017 a las 6:55 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ¤☣wing☢zeяo☣¤™:
Actually loot boxes and in game items ect are saving the gaming industry, if it wasn't for it launch prices on a new AAA game would be £100+, and I like the way loot is changing DLC, many now are doing free DLC, maps guns ect and getting the extra of skins ect which you will only buy if your in to the game.

[Citation needed]. I don't doubt that it's likely the case, but this only explains payed DLC content, not paid gambling a la loot boxes. The latter has more in common with the cruddy nickel-and-diming practices used by games (particularly mobile games) like in game currency. In fact, the 'keys' literally are just another form of 'in game currency'- except you can't actually choose what you want with them.

Publicado originalmente por Straight Up Chill:

And a nice alternative to a monthly/yearly subscription cost to keep servers up.. plus.. like in my case, leads to profits paying multiples over the initial investment.

I am concerned about the 'gambling' aspect of things, and how now RNG crate gambling purchases seem to have fallen into a market aimed at minors, but that's a whole different subject. So far I have made over $800 from clothes on the PUBG market after around 350 hours of play. It's well been worth the initial investment in my case. I know several others who sell their crates and clothes and have now either gotten the game for free or made money off of playing it.

I guess one man's "Pervasive cancer garbage" if they can't refrain themselves (hint: don't go shopping) is another man's treasure. A game like this could probably get by with a $5 monthly or $40 annual subscription fee on release, but instead of having to pay you can simply NOT purchase items.. seems like a good deal to me.. but like the greatest offense known to man to plenty of others.


See, this is a dcecent post actually defending the practice. Something I've been waiting for for 8 pages. It's informative (I didn't know you could make money playing the game), and acknowledges some of the more serious concerns (essentially marketing gambling to children) even though you're still clear about your position.

Which makes it all the more puzzling that your posts immediately prior to this are a mixture histrionic, salty whining about strawmen; accusing others of trolling simply because you don't like the question asked; and weirdly stroked out lame troll posts of your own.

So for what it's worth, thanks for that post. It actually helps me make my decision.

MonkehMaster 30 AGO 2017 a las 12:51 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por JVNO:
Publicado originalmente por Straight Up Chill:
One word: "DRAAAAMAAAAAAA"

OMG liek totalylulomg! i canznot beleive teh way tings are, but i beleebes teh drama hypsterficahysteria omg panic. It's a bunch of people wanting to be dramaqueens, jump on sensationalistic fear hype trains with no substance and speculation and the word of trolls claiming to be innocent.. and wanting to be online activists with a voice. Got old weeks ago.

Are you having a stroke or something? In what world is 'I'm concerned I could possibly lose a $30 purchase due to factors beyond my control' not a legitimate concern?

This community is positively histrionic.

your complaining over somthing that hasnt happend or wont at all, unless you going to stream snipe or harrass then you have nothing to worry about.

$30 is nothing and your thread is nothing as well, follow rules and you/others wont get banned.
Última edición por MonkehMaster; 30 AGO 2017 a las 12:51 p. m.
PoizenJam 30 AGO 2017 a las 1:01 p. m. 
What a totally helpful and completely necessary post. Except there clearly is a debate as to whether unjustified bans have occurred, as well as the practice of loot boxes.

Some of us pay our own bills, and $30 isn't 'nothing'.
MonkehMaster 30 AGO 2017 a las 1:08 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por JVNO:
What a totally helpful and completely necessary post. Except there clearly is a debate as to whether unjustified bans have occurred, as well as the practice of loot boxes.

Some of us pay our own bills, and $30 isn't 'nothing'.

i work and pay a ton of bills, i still have pocket change to throw around, yes $30 is nothing.
¤☣wing☢zeяo☣¤™ 30 AGO 2017 a las 1:14 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por JVNO:
and acknowledges some of the more serious concerns (essentially marketing gambling to children) even though you're still clear about your position.

As a parent of two children, getting in to gaming and so on, I don't view this as a concern, but then I'm one of them strange parents who watch and guide their children as they grow, a parent actually parenting seem's to be a dying breed these days.
Straight Up Chill 30 AGO 2017 a las 1:16 p. m. 
If $30 is a lot of money to invest, it begs the question- what kind of pc specs and internet connection are you working with?
PoizenJam 30 AGO 2017 a las 1:42 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Straight Up Chill:
If $30 is a lot of money to invest, it begs the question- what kind of pc specs and internet connection are you working with?

Quite good ones, because I invest my money wisely. That applies to small purchases and big purchases. A powerful PC is something I need for a variety of reasons. Same with internet speed. Another shooter game is not essential. Remember, a product or service is only worth as much as the money you're willing to shell out for it- not the other way around.

Publicado originalmente por ¤☣wing☢zeяo☣¤™:
As a parent of two children, getting in to gaming and so on, I don't view this as a concern, but then I'm one of them strange parents who watch and guide their children as they grow, a parent actually parenting seem's to be a dying breed these days.

And yet I'm pretty sure you'd have a problem with alcohol and cigarette companies marketing equally addictive practices to children, regardless of how active a role you play in your child's upbringing.
Última edición por PoizenJam; 30 AGO 2017 a las 1:44 p. m.
< >
Mostrando 91-105 de 131 comentarios
Por página: 1530 50

Publicado el: 28 AGO 2017 a las 6:37 a. m.
Mensajes: 131