Catering To Streamers...

[Masque]

So I haven't bought the game, but mainly for this one reason. Maybe streamers get your game more popular, but you can't just ban everyone that kills them stream sniping or not. Putting a game like this on stream is their fault, it shows someone exactly where they are, which makes them an easy target. Then because you do this, normal people not watching the stream kill them and the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ streamer reports them as usual... and you ban them, causing even more people to get banned from the game even normal people who aren't trying to stream snipe. At the same time stream sniping should not be punished, like i said before it is the streamers fault for putting PUBG on stream letting everyone know where they are.

So Devs. Please. Stop. Doing things like this. It's ruining the community on account of they CAN'T PLAY. I'm hoping lots of people are going to be like me and not buy the game until this issue is resolved, so they don't buy it with a chance to get banned for no reason really fast if they are unlucky.

Thoughts from you guys?

[Fictional Hero]

Publicado originalmente por Ayylmao:

So I haven't bought the game, but mainly for this one reason. Maybe streamers get your game more popular, but you can't just ban everyone that kills them stream sniping or not. Putting a game like this on stream is their fault, it shows someone exactly where they are, which makes them an easy target. Then because you do this, normal people not watching the stream kill them and the ♥♥♥♥♥y streamer reports them as usual... and you ban them, causing even more people to get banned from the game even normal people who aren't trying to stream snipe. At the same time stream sniping should not be punished, like i said before it is the streamers fault for putting PUBG on stream letting everyone know where they are.

So Devs. Please. Stop. Doing things like this. It's ruining the community on account of they CAN'T PLAY. I'm hoping lots of people are going to be like me and not buy the game until this issue is resolved, so they don't buy it with a chance to get banned for no reason really fast if they are unlucky.

Thoughts from you guys?

Dont watch Streamers when you are playing and if you see a streamer in the kill feed, dont go to his/her channel.

[Alkhovik]

Publicado originalmente por MOSLEY:

Publicado originalmente por Usagi:

Checking the logs on the suspect and the streamer? If they consistently show up in the same games, and the suspect joins/leaves lobbies all the time, it's pretty damn obvious.

Sounds like a worthwhile use of dev time...

you literally go ctrl+f and s few clicks. takes 30secs max.

[koffiepot]

Publicado originalmente por PuSHiSLaND:

so, when replays are available to the public this kind of talk will end.. i wouldnt be worried about it streamers.. they are a small minority

With a big audience sometimes, and an even bigger influence often. I can think of many different points of view even.. but nvm.

Publicado originalmente por Bonger Bob:

Now if only the hackers that Greene befriended actually had ethics. Says something big about Greene and his morals, or should i say lack of......

Money has no morals : /

[PuSHiSLaND]

Publicado originalmente por vegaspokerdealer:

I don't watch streamers, and have no desire to do so. but it they can entertain and make money, good for them! I would just rather play than watch someone else play.

so do the streamers have the ability to start the stream whenever they want? why don't they just start the stream after they jump from the plane? then these stalkers have no way to get into the same server. is this possible for them to do?

yes, they can stop the stream all together, or more commonly they use an overlay to obscure sensitive infos at critical times.. seems like a no brainer situation that the blue-hole devs have made more confusing

but hey.. if the devs are going to ban people for you, why not take advantage of it.. dont lie.. you know you along with most of us, would accept your privledge from the devs with no complaints

[JamieLinux]

Publicado originalmente por Usagi:

Publicado originalmente por fraggyb:

https://i.redd.it/rliqdv1df8hz.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/PUBATTLEGROUNDS/comments/6v968f/stream_sniping_by_garry_newman_creator_of_rust/

This genuinely made me laugh. Not only because of the asinine stance on stream sniping, but the fact that it's from a guy who can't even make a decent game is the cherry on top.

Taken from Blizzard SC II


Jan 19, 2012

We’ve continued to see reports regarding someone live streaming their match, and their opponent watching the stream in order to gain an in-game advantage (also known as stream sniping). While this is obviously poor sportsmanship on the part of the one viewing the stream, we’d like to clarify that this is not a violation of any current policies. In fact, we cannot enforce any ‘fair play’ policies if a user chooses to provide their opponent an advantage. If someone in-game chooses to tell their opponent every move they’re making, thereby informing them how to counter it, we cannot conclude that any violation has taken place. Even if this could be considered a violation, we simply cannot micro-manage every streamed match to ensure the opponent was not looking at it, or using it to their advantage. It goes far beyond the scope of what we’re able to enforce. It’s advisable for those streaming to take precautions, including delaying their streams by a significant amount of time, to avoid any potential advantage they may be providing their opponent.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/3932904642


So once again why is PUBG trying to police something they cant actually 100 percent prove .... You cant say 100 percent with a fact they are ... It is stupid of them to even try.

While I don't condne it they are wasting time money and resources on this while that can be better spent on the game.

[koffiepot]

pretty much end of story

[Parallax]

Think about how you might actually get into and confirm that you're in a game with the streamer you're trying to stream snipe. You would join a game, go to where the streamer is on the lobby island, punch them in the face twice and continuously croutch. (or do something else easily recognizeable) You then looka at their stream again and see if a guy runs around infront of the streamer and punches him twice in the face and then continues to croutch. If you don't see this on the stream you exit that lobby, join a new one and rinse and repeat until you've found your target.

This is going to show up as a very distinct pattern on the server logs of your account. They aren't banning people based on ONE report, or ONE instance of someone killing a streamer. If that were the case this would be a MUCH bigger deal than people are trying so hard to make it. And for good reason. If that were happening it would be obvious and people would be up in arms. Again, for good reason.

Streamers are paying customers just like us, and thus are protected by the ToS, just like we are. As I see it, stream sniping is a form of harassment or griefing, and should be punished just as harassment or griefing of a general player would be punished. The one streamer specific rule in the ToS shouldn't even be required since stream sniping is so obviously harassment/griefing. So if the inclusion of that rule in the ToS is really the ONLY thing you have an issue with I think you're being a tad ridiculous.

You say it's the streamers fault for getting stream sniped...that to me is baffling. You really don't see anything wrong with stream sniping? So you're the kind of guy at a poker game who would look at everyone elses hand when they all happen to go out for a smoke at the same time? And then do that over, and over, and over, and over again? Becuase stream sniping is rarely a one off thing, it usually goes on for hours. That doesn't sound like griefing to you? Not to mention its by definition using third party aoftware to get an advantage in game, that software just happens to be a web browser in this case instead of a traditional hack.

I think you should read up more on the situation, see what the devs have said about their banning policies, and thoroughly read the ToS, and make up your own mind instead of just reacting to the rumor mill on the internet. You asked for my opinion, and thats it. o/

[JamieLinux]

Publicado originalmente por scifo:

pretty much end of story

thats comeing from one of the most respected companies in the video game world..... The problem with PUBG trying to police it is the fact when streamers move on and they will there user base is going to tank like a rock.... Not because the game is bad but when you dedidcate your resources to makeing one class protected in game and aliennating your actual core base it wont end welll...

Ps I am a streamer and tbh I would never report anyone for it...

One its within my power to make it hard as hell for you to snipe we have tools to do so .
Two its not actually cheating while its bad form but I am the one thats on stream broadcasting if I am to stupid to take those measures I get what I get...

[JamieLinux]

Publicado originalmente por Parallax:

Think about how you might actually get into and confirm that you're in a game with the streamer you're trying to stream snipe. You would join a game, go to where the streamer is on the lobby island, punch them in the face twice and continuously croutch. (or do something else easily recognizeable) You then looka at their stream again and see if a guy runs around infront of the streamer and punches him twice in the face and then continues to croutch. If you don't see this on the stream you exit that lobby, join a new one and rinse and repeat until you've found your target.

This is going to show up as a very distinct pattern on the server logs of your account. They aren't banning people based on ONE report, or ONE instance of someone killing a streamer. If that were the case this would be a MUCH bigger deal than people are trying so hard to make it. And for good reason. If that were happening it would be obvious and people would be up in arms. Again, for good reason.

Streamers are paying customers just like us, and thus are protected by the ToS, just like we are. As I see it, stream sniping is a form of harassment or griefing, and should be punished just as harassment or griefing of a general player would be punished. The one streamer specific rule in the ToS shouldn't even be required since stream sniping is so obviously harassment/griefing. So if the inclusion of that rule in the ToS is really the ONLY thing you have an issue with I think you're being a tad ridiculous.

You say it's the streamers fault for getting stream sniped...that to me is baffling. You really don't see anything wrong with stream sniping? So you're the kind of guy at a poker game who would look at everyone elses hand when they all happen to go out for a smoke at the same time? And then do that over, and over, and over, and over again? Becuase stream sniping is rarely a one off thing, it usually goes on for hours. That doesn't sound like griefing to you? Not to mention its by definition using third party aoftware to get an advantage in game, that software just happens to be a web browser in this case instead of a traditional hack.

I think you should read up more on the situation, see what the devs have said about their banning policies, and thoroughly read the ToS, and make up your own mind instead of just reacting to the rumor mill on the internet. You asked for my opinion, and thats it. o/

While streamers are paying customers yes we are.... But stream sniping should not ever be a bannable offence it is beyond the perview of any resonalable developer. Secondaly you woul have to hit the damn lotto to be put in the same match over and over agan even if you were to leave and rejoin the matches fill up to quick... The situation is this even myself as a streamer I have the tools to make it harder for you to snipe it is not up to the developers to police the streams... ALso how do they know without 100 percent doubt that the person in question is actually sniping since IGN and if they have a twitch name can be diffrent... Cause last I checked Twitch isn't giving out ip addresses to game developers... They wont give any personal info about you to anyone except in cases of law enforcement it would be a volation of privacy acts and there own TOS.

The rest of your post is just conjector. While I get what you are saying the diffrence is , looking at someones hand is diffrent then them broadcasting there hand and then you cry foul when they take advantage of it...

Same principle.

[JamieLinux]

The underlining problem is this.. X person crys that they are being sniped because they got rekt in game instead of well ♥♥♥♥ maybe they just were better ... There community reports as well .. The developers go over the logs since you are connected to there servers they can get the ip address from anyone in session.. GIven thats in there rights you are using there server...

They how ever cannot prove that you were in fact on that streamers channel there is no way for them resonably to check since they cant get the ip info which would have to match and make it a 100 percent that person is ... They are taking word of mouth and oh well that name looks to be about the same ban if they even do that at all.. We do not know there internal policy..

Once again I do not condone it I do not support it it is bad sportsman ship but they should not be spending resources on banning for something that is not directly affaecting the game eg People that modify game memory use scripts that alter the game mechanics or bypass there battleeye or game bugs those things they should be concenred with NOT policing streams.

[Messy]

Publicado originalmente por Blacklisted:

Publicado originalmente por Usagi:

This genuinely made me laugh. Not only because of the asinine stance on stream sniping, but the fact that it's from a guy who can't even make a decent game is the cherry on top.

Taken from Blizzard SC II


Jan 19, 2012

We’ve continued to see reports regarding someone live streaming their match, and their opponent watching the stream in order to gain an in-game advantage (also known as stream sniping). While this is obviously poor sportsmanship on the part of the one viewing the stream, we’d like to clarify that this is not a violation of any current policies. In fact, we cannot enforce any ‘fair play’ policies if a user chooses to provide their opponent an advantage. If someone in-game chooses to tell their opponent every move they’re making, thereby informing them how to counter it, we cannot conclude that any violation has taken place. Even if this could be considered a violation, we simply cannot micro-manage every streamed match to ensure the opponent was not looking at it, or using it to their advantage. It goes far beyond the scope of what we’re able to enforce. It’s advisable for those streaming to take precautions, including delaying their streams by a significant amount of time, to avoid any potential advantage they may be providing their opponent.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/3932904642

damn, maybe i really should play overwatch.

[Parallax]

Publicado originalmente por Blacklisted:

"The underlining problem is this..."(see above, because do you really need to read it twice?)

We're both guilty of a bit of conjecture it seems. :P

[JamieLinux]

Publicado originalmente por Parallax:

Publicado originalmente por Blacklisted:

"The underlining problem is this..."[see above, because do you really need to read it twice?)[/quote]

We're both guilty of a bit of conjecture it seems. :P

we are my freind we are, while I respect your thoughts I will always respect the thoughts of a well thought out post and not just you scrub.... I think we are both fighitng the same battle while we don't want there to be cheaters the fact is They cant be everywhere.. Both sides of the coin hold water and merrit.. But lets be honest Bluehole has bigger issues to worry about the stream sniping..

Like fixing the massive amount of bugs in game!

[JamieLinux]

Publicado originalmente por Vagabondie:

Publicado originalmente por Blacklisted:

Taken from Blizzard SC II


Jan 19, 2012

We’ve continued to see reports regarding someone live streaming their match, and their opponent watching the stream in order to gain an in-game advantage (also known as stream sniping). While this is obviously poor sportsmanship on the part of the one viewing the stream, we’d like to clarify that this is not a violation of any current policies. In fact, we cannot enforce any ‘fair play’ policies if a user chooses to provide their opponent an advantage. If someone in-game chooses to tell their opponent every move they’re making, thereby informing them how to counter it, we cannot conclude that any violation has taken place. Even if this could be considered a violation, we simply cannot micro-manage every streamed match to ensure the opponent was not looking at it, or using it to their advantage. It goes far beyond the scope of what we’re able to enforce. It’s advisable for those streaming to take precautions, including delaying their streams by a significant amount of time, to avoid any potential advantage they may be providing their opponent.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/3932904642

damn, maybe i really should play overwatch.

Honestly dude No other developer on the planet bans for this because not that omg you should cheat or do it because it really is outside the scope .. In the long run they are goning to do more damage to the game then good.

[koffiepot]

Publicado originalmente por Blacklisted:

Publicado originalmente por scifo:

pretty much end of story

thats comeing from one of the most respected companies in the video game world..... The problem with PUBG trying to police it is the fact when streamers move on and they will there user base is going to tank like a rock.... Not because the game is bad but when you dedidcate your resources to makeing one class protected in game and aliennating your actual core base it wont end welll...

Ps I am a streamer and tbh I would never report anyone for it...

One its within my power to make it hard as hell for you to snipe we have tools to do so .
Two its not actually cheating while its bad form but I am the one thats on stream broadcasting if I am to stupid to take those measures I get what I get...

Well i can only agree..

And i'm pretty sure PUBG realise about bottomless policies only too well.. But it wouldn't be the first time people have hidden agendas either. If they are afraid of streamers leaving their game, they shouldn't be imo, but i'll bet there's more than only one reason to it if they are. I'm not gonna go off topic about it, but it's certainly something leaving a bad taste in my mouth :(.

Anyways i'm off to bed, should have done so hours ago ^^