Remove or nerf hard S12K

[rola]

Shotguns. Kind of bullsh!t weapons, should be nerfed maybe a little bit. But since they shoot pretty slow it doesnt really matter. But then theres the S12K...
-Semiautomatic
-Fast fire rate
-High flinch, just like the other shotguns
-Same damage
-Magazine loaded, which means fast reloads + extended mags are a thing.
This sh!t is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous.

I feel like a little higher recoil along with making it just a little more rare would make it fine.

[Tmi]

I agree

[Eugen]

cry cry cry

[Chikuwu]

Well, theyre only for close combat purposes.

Why would you go inside a house if you know someones waiting close with a shotgun?

I dont see them as OP weapons. Theyre situational weapons. Youre not supposed to win a shotgun user in CQB with an AR.

If you nerf shotguns even a bit, they literally become useless against even pistols.

[Lefty Guns]

686 is much better, you just have to aim. s12k is for those that cant aim.

[markes]

Shotguns are fine. They work as they should.

[HackGatis]

Salty? Take Uzi on Auto and kill him/her?! EZ

[KitKat]

Shotguns are a thing. Deal with it.

[NathaN]

Theyre not that op, If sombody is 50 m or so away you may as well be using a nerf gun

[-BULLET-]

leave them alone

[FullyTorqued]

tbh the shotguns work fine, now be sent to gulag for wrong opinion.

[Mandala]

Well, nerf any other weapon as well then, because they have some advantages over other weapons. It's not that simple, my friend.

[rola]

Lets think: You are outside a building, and hear footsteps inside the building, and because you have a UMP9 SMG you think "well i have a decent gun to go push him". You go in, and you both see eachother at the same time. You start shooting, hit him maybe once or twice and then your aim knocks to the floor because of the shotgun flinch, and then the 2nd shot that comes after another 100ms kills you. Was this fair? Not really.

2nd example: You are in a building camping with an Kar98 + Uzi, and you hear someone open the door downstairs. You take your Uzi out and peek. Shoot him a little, he retreats. He heals himself, while you are still waiting. He rounds the corner, spamming his shotgun and you cant even fire back because he shot you while in peekers advantage, and when you actually could see him, your aim got knocked to ♥♥♥♥ because of the flinch. Was this fair? Not really.¨

Would you have killed him in both of these situations if he had a pump or double barrel shotgun? Possibly.

[Mandala]

Publicado originalmente por HighRoLa:

Lets think: You are outside a building, and hear footsteps inside the building, and because you have a UMP9 SMG you think "well i have a decent gun to go push him". You go in, and you both see eachother at the same time. You start shooting, hit him maybe once or twice and then your aim knocks to the floor because of the shotgun flinch, and then the 2nd shot that comes after another 100ms kills you. Was this fair? Not really.

2nd example: You are in a building camping with an Kar98 + Uzi, and you hear someone open the door downstairs. You take your Uzi out and peek. Shoot him a little, he retreats. He heals himself, while you are still waiting. He rounds the corner, spamming his shotgun and you cant even fire back because he shot you while in peekers advantage, and when you actually could see him, your aim got knocked to ♥♥♥♥ because of the flinch. Was this fair? Not really.¨

Would you have killed him in both of these situations if he had a pump or double barrel shotgun? Possibly.

Simplicity is the key. Not in this keys tho. You frame very ideal and unlikely to happen situations.

[rola]

Not really, as ive had these both happen to me except i had a UMP9 not an Uzi in example #2

[Haxed]

UMP9 and UZI? Sounds like you just grab the ♥♥♥♥ tier weapons then complain after being dropped by a shotgun. If it were real life whoever shot first would most likely be the survivor depending on gear (armour/helmet). I've been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DESTROYED by the shotguns even at range vs AR, They work as a shotgun should.